Traded Brandon Starcevich - traded to West Coast as part of a 3-way trade with Brisbane and Fremantle

[Snuffaluphagus]

Only partially related to the discussion, what is it that you thought would get the McVee deal done without this trade?

Pick in the 20s. The actual trade for McVee is fine

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Only partially related to the discussion, what is it that you thought would get the McVee deal done without this trade?

23 for McVee is fine, its how we got to it that's caused a masive melt.

 

[txbyhull]

Pick in the 20s. The actual trade for McVee is fine

Yeah, of which you didn’t have? What was the play to get it? Covering the gap for these clubs is in order to stay in the first round and get McVee?

 

[TwoStriders]

For comparison... in 2023:

Gold Coast traded Pick 11 to Melbourne for 14, 27 and 35.
Gold Coast would go on to flip 14 to Adelaide for 23 and 26.

Which seems like two wildly different valuations for mid first rounders from the same club, in the same draft.

12 and 33 for 19 and 23 probably lines up with that later, weaker valuation... So I guess I can understand Fremantle fans' frustration.

Every draft and every team's list situation is different though. Picking up a best 22 player in McVee and retaining a late first seems like fair use of a mid-first and mid-second in a weak year. Especially for a team with plenty of quality youth on the list, looking to delve deeper into finals.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Yeah, of which you didn’t have? What was the play to get it? Covering the gap for these clubs is in order to stay in the first round and get McVee?

It was day 2 or 3 in what is shaping up as the busiest trade period of all time. You dont reckon 50 more solutions would have come up that are better than paying for other teams trades?

 

[DanA]

For comparison... in 2023:

Gold Coast traded Pick 11 to Melbourne for 14, 27 and 35.
Gold Coast would go on to flip 14 to Adelaide for 23 and 26.

Which seems like two wildly different valuations for mid first rounders from the same club, in the same draft.

12 and 33 for 19 and 23 probably lines up with that later, weaker valuation... So I guess I can understand Fremantle fans' frustration.

Every draft and every team's list situation is different though. Picking up a best 22 player in McVee and retaining a late first seems like fair use of a mid-first and mid-second in a weak year. Especially for a team with plenty of quality youth on the list, looking to delve deeper into finals.

Right, but it might just be that they had a player in mind for pick 11 that they rated, and at 14 that player was expected to be gone with a group of players after that all rated about the same.

 

[irel]

How have Freo done very well? Moved pick 12 back to 19 to move 33 up to 23, whilst also dropping 44 to 46? Actually lost draft points in the trade? On the 3rd day of the trade period.... Makes absolutely zero sense

Can you explain how it is ok for Freo to pay for the gap in value between two other clubs

I’m looking at the overall position. Fremantle got their player from Melbourne and still hold pick 19, which is a fair outcome. I also understand there are complexities within Fremantle’s strategy that may only be fully appreciated by those closely following the club.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I’m looking at the overall position. Fremantle got their player from Melbourne and still hold pick 19, which is a fair outcome. I also understand there are complexities within Fremantle’s strategy that may only be fully appreciated by those closely following the club.

So if 22 had gone to Freo instead of Brisbane do we waive it away as a fair outcome because of complexities we arent aware of?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Gold Coast traded Pick 11 to Melbourne for 14, 27 and 35.
Gold Coast would go on to flip 14 to Adelaide for 23 and 26.

Do you realise Freo gave up 12 AND 33 AND other minor losses in value for 19 and 23 by themselves?

These two trades are 50 times better than what Freo did

 

[Moist Biscuit]

I’m looking at the overall position. Fremantle got their player from Melbourne and still hold pick 19, which is a fair outcome. I also understand there are complexities within Fremantle’s strategy that may only be fully appreciated by those closely following the club.

I just don't see it like that, felt like we gave away capital for little gain. McVee for 23 is fine but I felt like their were other ways to get there. Brisbane getting anything of note for Starcevich is interesting though, had he have chosen the Bombers as a FA, you wouldn't even get compensation for him leaving.

 

[The Gtrain]

No, just no. It is day 3 of trade period. WC have paid less than 23 for Starcevich, Brisbane have received more than 23 for Starcevich.

Freo have paid for the reigning premier and an archrival to get stronger so they can get a fair trade done for an uncontracted player done on day 3.

It is absolutely ridiculous

Having just been through a year of "we traded pick 3 for Baker" rhetoric, I feel for you mate.

 

[irel]

So if 22 had gone to Freo instead of Brisbane do we waive it away as a fair outcome because of complexities we arent aware of?

I’m not speculating on hypotheticals, what could have or should have happened. The reality is Fremantle got the deal done, secured their player, and retained a pick in rd1. If the outcome is the same, I don’t see the value in dragging negotiations out for another seven days just for optics. The frustration seems less about the deal itself and more about how quickly it was resolved.

 

[The Gtrain]

The system works!

Finally we get another win for the year

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I’m not speculating on hypotheticals, what could have or should have happened. The reality is Fremantle got the deal done, secured their player, and retained a pick in rd1. If the outcome is the same, I don’t see the value in dragging negotiations out for another seven days just for optics. The frustration seems less about the deal itself and more about how quickly it was resolved.

No, the timing is just to discredit the argument of "what else could they have done"

The deal is atrocious and cant be justified from Freo

 

[irel]

I just don't see it like that, felt like we gave away capital for little gain. McVee for 23 is fine but I felt like their were other ways to get there. Brisbane getting anything of note for Starcevich is interesting though, had he have chosen the Bombers as a FA, you wouldn't even get compensation for him leaving.

We had the option to match and force a trade. It may or may not have happened. Semantics now.

 

[Elixuh]

No, the timing is just to discredit the argument of "what else could they have done"

The deal is atrocious and cant be justified from Freo

We would have just done a deal with another club and Freo risks being stuck with its picks and overpaying even more for McGee.

Time was of the essence Snuff.

 

[TwoStriders]

Do you realise Freo gave up 12 AND 33 AND other minor losses in value for 19 and 23 by themselves?

These two trades are 50 times better than what Freo did

Wow. You guys really shouldn't have traded 50 first rounders.

PS - yes, the post you quoted mentioned 33 outright. It didn’t mention 44 and 50 for 46.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Time was of the essence Snuff.

Which is why I raise the point of when it was done, clearly it was not (and he was out of contract)

 

[Elixuh]

Which is why I raise the point of when it was done, clearly it was not (and he was out of contract)

Brisbane and wce wanted to move along quickly. It was snooze or lose for Freo I think.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Brisbane and wce wanted to move along quickly. It was snooze or lose for Freo I think.

So you reckon not one other pick in the 20s is going to exchange hands the next 7 days?

 

[Elixuh]

So you reckon not one other pick in the 20s is going to exchange hands the next 7 days?

If I’m being honest I don’t really care. I only marginally care about what Brisbane is doing, let alone other clubs.

 

[txbyhull]

So you reckon not one other pick in the 20s is going to exchange hands the next 7 days?

I think it also could’ve been 12 for 27 McVee. But honestly I think this trade is far better. That values him around a similar pick to 23. Could have also split with North and used one of their seconds on McVee. Could’ve moved a F2 and steak knives into Ports 2nd rounder. And given that up for McVee. Who knows

 

[My_Username]

So you reckon not one other pick in the 20s is going to exchange hands the next 7 days?

Considering that Freo supposedly played a vital role in this trade....They got ripped off.

It'd be kind to say they broke even on the trade, I'd consider a more realistic assessment to be that they lost out on a trade they didn't need to be a part of.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

So you reckon not one other pick in the 20s is going to exchange hands the next 7 days?

You would be banking on finding a combination of two teams having a late First Rounder and early Second Rounder though.

Your pick 12 might have ended up being a bridesmaid pick also, with both Gold Coast pick 7 and Carlton’s pick 9 likely getting more attention when auctioned.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Considering that Freo supposedly played a vital role in this trade....They got ripped off.

It'd be kind to say they broke even on the trade, I'd consider a more realistic assessment to be that they lost out on a trade they didn't need to be a part of.

100% correct and any suggestion otherwise is based on nothing bar "trust the vibe of the thing"