List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[knaf]

This is a very, very weak draft for KPP’s. The top 4 or 5 should be gone before our first pick, then there’s little depth beyond those.

This! We got lucky with Morris but how often has any team picked up a ready to go kpp at 15 in the draft?

 

[mattsmob]

This! We got lucky with Morris but how often has any team picked up a ready to go kpp at 15 in the draft?

Gallop is probably as good as we can get with our first pick in this draft. Not really a point worth putting much energy into as there is zero chance we don’t match Annable

 

[davemc_lions]

I’m with you; on principle he’s not one we should consider. If his contract was good enough to sign, he should honour it and I’m not one for going in on players that are contracted.

be great if the capped contract lengths.. Just makes a mess of things
Although 7 years money gets moved around to get or keep players.

 

[briztoon]

Once a decent clean up occurs this year, which dud contracts are we carrying? I'd throw Charlie in, but I honestly think he has enough credits to see what he can do in 26, but I do worry significantly about 27 & 28 if his form next year doesn't dramatically improve on this year's dud form. Outside of that, what other contracts concern you? Lachie, Lloyd, ZZ, Henry, McLachlan, Brain, Big O (if he doesn't pull the plug this year) or even Bruce? Are you thinking Linc, Kiddy and Doedee whose careers are all on the precipice if they can't get fit and play at least half the games next year ?

Big O, Charlie, Linc, and Doedee for me are all injury cooked.

I have concerns for Berry, if his shoulder can’t hold up. And Neale if his body has reached the point where he’s getting repeat muscle and soft tissue injuries, due to the beltings he copped as a one man warrior inside, early on in his Lions career.

I'll hold fire on Hipwood and his long term contract, until 2027. Similarly, everyones right to have questions/concerns on all of Allen, Draper and Ridley.

 

[martinson]

Big O, Charlie, Linc, and Doedee for me are all injury cooked.

I have concerns for Berry, if his shoulder can’t hold up. And Neale if his body has reached the point where he’s getting repeat muscle and soft tissue injuries, due to the beltings he copped as a one man warrior inside, early on in his Lions career.

I'll hold fire on Hipwood and his long term contract, until 2027. Similarly, everyones right to have questions/concerns on all of Allen, Draper and Ridley.

It's Captain Obvious that we have some guys with contracts who are washed up.

Plus others where they have injuries where it's conjectural whether they'll get to the level they were at when we signed them up.

Not being critical or judgemental but this is a reality as to why we'll likely be offloading Starcevich and Ah Chee.

Just because we were really good at something in the past doesn't mean the footy gods will keep smiling on us and we'll be geniuses in list management forever.

We'll probably be ok but it's simple common sense that we have some concerns there.

The good thing is we haven't mortgaged the house on anyone who fits into the above categories.

 

[martinson]

Big O, Charlie, Linc, and Doedee for me are all injury cooked.

I have concerns for Berry, if his shoulder can’t hold up. And Neale if his body has reached the point where he’s getting repeat muscle and soft tissue injuries, due to the beltings he copped as a one man warrior inside, early on in his Lions career.

I'll hold fire on Hipwood and his long term contract, until 2027. Similarly, everyones right to have questions/concerns on all of Allen, Draper and Ridley.

Agree on the first 4 .

Berry has been great since the last time we wrote him off . He's done for the time being by the look of him on Friday but with another clean up he's more likely to be ok than not.

Neale will be fine if we give him the time and don't rush him back. Quite hopeful he has another good 2 years. He's a champ and they find a way.

Hipwood's is a problem imo and on the face of it we've compounded it . It's likely he misses another year but I have no inside knowledge as to what's actually gone on there.

Kiddy ,Payne and Answerth have serious injury issues despite whatever the optimism is and we just have to wait and see because they're all great players and we need them back.

As for the 3 proposed to come in I have NFI except to say we're probably only getting them because of poor outcomes from injury problems.

 

[Elixuh]

Big O, Charlie, Linc, and Doedee for me are all injury cooked.

I have concerns for Berry, if his shoulder can’t hold up. And Neale if his body has reached the point where he’s getting repeat muscle and soft tissue injuries, due to the beltings he copped as a one man warrior inside, early on in his Lions career.

I'll hold fire on Hipwood and his long term contract, until 2027. Similarly, everyones right to have questions/concerns on all of Allen, Draper and Ridley.

Linc and big O don’t worry me much because their contracts would be low $$ and are confined in duration.

Doedee a concern but again will be on about afl avg pay in 2027

Charlie obviously the biggest worry but see what they do next year. They might change his role to be a bit more friendly to his strengths and boost the confidence.

Berry doesn’t worry me at all. Eric is just bad luck and is on a very nice contract for us.

Regarding Neale - Briztoon I wish to send you as our emissary over to the WCE board to work out a deal. We entrust you with this important task.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Big O, Charlie, Linc, and Doedee for me are all injury cooked.

I have concerns for Berry, if his shoulder can’t hold up. And Neale if his body has reached the point where he’s getting repeat muscle and soft tissue injuries, due to the beltings he copped as a one man warrior inside, early on in his Lions career.

I'll hold fire on Hipwood and his long term contract, until 2027. Similarly, everyones right to have questions/concerns on all of Allen, Draper and Ridley.

Kiddy?

Kai has only played 1 full season out of 4 so far

Payne

Maybe we should shut the club down

 

[briztoon]

Gallop is probably as good as we can get with our first pick in this draft. Not really a point worth putting much energy into as there is zero chance we don’t match Annable

I believe there's a fair bit of over rating Gallop on here. While he does try hard, and is willing to defend and apply pressure, he's actually not that fast/athletic or agile at all. Turning circle a little better than the Queen Mary. But he's the best we have in the reserves.

 

[BangyBangy]

I believe there's a fair bit of over rating Gallop on here. While he does try hard, and is willing to defend and apply pressure, he's actually not that fast/athletic or agile at all. Turning circle a little better than the Queen Mary. But he's the best we have in the reserves.

That'll do pig. That'll do.

You'll be surprised how other aspects of his profile can be improved with the correct training & conditioning.

We've drafted a lot of footballers over the last ten years who failed because they just didn't have the one thing Gallop seems to have in spades.

 

[Section 5]

I like the look of 19-year-old Fergus McFadyen from what i have seen in the VFL
Kicked 37.23 in 19 VFL games this year.
The club should know if he has AFL abilities and other attributes clubs look for in an AFL player.
Should come relatively cheap unless others are interested.

Fergus McFadyen​

height: 189cm
weight:
D.O.B: 05-10-2006
Leagues: AFL U18 Championships, Coates Talent League Boys

 

[briztoon]

What would you have us do, Briztoon.

It's not so much what I would do.

I wouldn't have offered Cameron and Hipwood those longer contracts, even on lower coin.

Otherwise we're really dependent on who's leaving and who's arriving, and the who comes back from injury good to go.

I would be saying to Cameron that you're not guaranteed best 22, this what we need from you.

Similarly, I'd be telling Will McLachlan, we need you to do what Kai did 24 months ago, work on his running and defensive pressure. We know you can fly, but you really, really need to round out the rest of your game.

And I would be moving Zakostelsky forward and saying there's a forward ruck role up for grabs. Potentially now, but more likely in the not too distant future.

 

[Elixuh]

It's not so much what I would do.

I wouldn't have offered Cameron and Hipwood those longer contracts, even on lower coin.

Otherwise we're really dependent on who's leaving and who's arriving, and the who comes back from injury good to go.

I would be saying to Cameron that you're not guaranteed best 22, this what we need from you.

Similarly, I'd be telling Will McLachlan, we need you to do what Kai did 24 months ago, work on his running and defensive pressure. We know you can fly, but your really, really need to round out the rest of your game.

And I would be moving Zakostelsky forward and saying there's a forward ruck role up for grabs. Potentially now, but more likely in the not to0 distant future.

The only thing I disagree on there is Eric. Important structurally and costing us very little. He isn’t impacting our list build in the slightest.

 

[Nathan Barley]

It's not so much what I would do.

I wouldn't have offered Cameron and Hipwood those longer contracts, even on lower coin.

Otherwise we're really dependent on who's leaving and who's arriving, and the who comes back from injury good to go.

I would be saying to Cameron that you're not guaranteed best 22, this what we need from you.

Similarly, I'd be telling Will McLachlan, we need you to do what Kai did 24 months ago, work on his running and defensive pressure. We know you can fly, but you really, really need to round out the rest of your game.

And I would be moving Zakostelsky forward and saying there's a forward ruck role up for grabs. Potentially now, but more likely in the not to0 distant future.

So we go into next season with only 2 key backs over 193cm? Don't like it. Definite need for ZZ to develop as a backman

 

[mpal6]

So we go into next season with only 2 key backs over 193cm? Don't like it. Definite need for ZZ to develop as a backman

Or we put Gallop back. I think this is a valid option we could explore.

 

[briztoon]

The only thing I disagree on there is Eric. Important structurally and costing us very little. He isn’t impacting our list build in the slightest.

I've never really rated Hipwood.

 

[Elixuh]

I've never really rated Hipwood.

He’s very good value when you factor in output (structural worth to the team) and cost to our cap.

Who would you have in his place?

 

[briztoon]

So we go into next season with only 2 key backs over 193cm? Don't like it. Definite need for ZZ to develop as a backman

Ridley is 195cm. If we get him.

We'd have to have a pretty catastrophic injury list to our tall backs for Zakostelsky to get a run.

 

[martinson]

Hipwood's been half cooked with injuries the last 2 years. And then the ACL prior. So it's hard to tell where he could've been by now otherwise. Reading between the lines next year could be problematic as well.

Lord knows where we'd be if Andrews copped a LTI . We're light on KPD's for sure with Payne being injury prone and a fractured patella isn't something you bounce back from within a year.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Ridley is 195cm. If we get him.

We'd have to have a pretty catastrophic injury list to our tall backs for Zakostelsky to get a run.

I don't think hes playing on the Max King type key forwards

Greater depth in options to be a second ruck than being able to play on those really tall key forwards

I think hes still a couple of full seasons away from playing seniors in any position anyway

 

[briztoon]

He’s very good value when you factor in output (structural worth to the team) and cost to our cap.

Who would you have in his place?

Oh, he gets a game because we don't have another tall forward who could be best 22.

We're a league with a dearth of quality tall players.

 

[briztoon]

I don't think hes playing on the Max King type key forwards

Neither is Zakostelsky.

Greater depth in options to be a second ruck than being able to play on those really tall key forwards

I rate Zakostelsky higher than those other options.

Have always said I don't rate McInerney or Smith as rucks (or ruck prospects) and definitely not as part time forwards.

I think hes still a couple of full seasons away from playing seniors in any position anyway

Agree.

 

[cotter101]

Replace him with Jacob Blight unbelievably delisted by Richmond. The guy has excellent skills and height.

Hardcore Richmond fan watched the game with me Friday night and said the same thing, adamant he is better than Day and Gallop.

Watching the game definitely showed how important Oscar Allen could be for us too.

 

[Sauce Merrett]

The absolute doomsday mood in here after 1 loss against a red hot cat side is unreal.

We win that game and Im sure the talk is about dynasty instead.

We have 5 players in the under 21 AA side and dont rely on 1 player.

If we have all players in our squad available and add Allen, Draper, Ripley even if we lose a few in the other direction we are still set up to be in the top 4 and contending for years to come.

 

[jfn]

That'll do pig. That'll do.

You'll be surprised how other aspects of his profile can be improved with the correct training & conditioning.

We've drafted a lot of footballers over the last ten years who failed because they just didn't have the one thing Gallop seems to have in spades.

Ty reminds me a bit of Jesse Hogan in the early days. Forwards take time.