USA MAGA activist Charlie Kirk shot dead during Utah rally

[Gethelred]

Okay. We've probably had enough of a free for all.

There are still forum and site posting guidelines, and you will abide by them.

A few seem to be of the opinion that now is a good time to have a crack at moderators or moderation. I'd rather like to discourage that impulse so I'm going to make it explicit: a moderator on this forum is a poster like any other, and can share their views and have free use of the forum like any other. If you feel a post breaches the rules report it; attacking a mod for their posting or objecting to a post purely because a moderator said it is grounds for an infraction and some time off.

From here, if you cannot speak civilly, you will not be allowed to participate.

Thanks all.

 

[PrancingPony]

if only he (and his supporters) had the decency to do the same for the sandy hook families

alex jones was a good friend of his i believe - and we all know what that piece of $h1t did

His supporters can do whatever they please, I disagree with it, does that mean I'm allowed to go around all of a sudden and say he deserves no sympathy or that I'm happy he's dead? No of course not, because that would make me a shit/bad person.

Being good to people makes me feel good, even when I disagree with them heavily. It's the easiest thing in the world to just be kind and respectful.

Believe it or not, most people don't see a group of people acting in an awful way and think "Sweet, that means I can do that to them now"

 

[magpie_marty]

$cash Patel we have caught the shooter.
$cash Patel he was not the shooter
Trump with zero proof this was left wing
320 Yard shot I have zero knowledge but a good shot? From that distance
Someone with skills ??

 

[Johnny Bananas]

We Paid Some Etsy Witches to Curse Charlie Kirk

If the far-right misogynist with a bad haircut wants to villainize independent women, Jezebel is more than happy to be the hag of his nightmares.

www.jezebel.com

 

[magpie_marty]

Mmmmm........ " release the Epstein files " ?

Indeed

 

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[Number37]

$cash Patel we have caught the shooter.
$cash Patel he was not the shooter
Trump with zero proof this was left wing
320 Yard shot I have zero knowledge but a good shot? From that distance
Someone with skills ??

Shot in the neck.
Someone with skills would not have missed the head.

 

[kalex6251]

Being a good person means being good to those even that you don't like, even people you see as bad. At the end of the day a wife and kids lost their husband and father, that's more important than anything right now.

i dont need you to tell me what 'being a good person' is

i have my own benchmark for that - and kirk (and his supporters) doesnt come any where near satisfying the criteria

 

[kickazz]

Has it really?

America and political violence is in no way shape or form a 21st century fad.

The whole nation has been founded on violence.

I think the difference is that the last few decades has been 'relatively' quiet by historical standards.

Oh yeah no doubt.

I interpreted the "crossed the line" as not so much a reference to violence but from the shift from the United to the Divided States of America.

They lost the ability to engage with each other a while ago now.

 

[schneebly111]

You don't have to say anything like that, just wish the best to his family.

Being a good person means being good to those even that you don't like, even people you see as bad. At the end of the day a wife and kids lost their husband and father, that's more important than anything right now.

The absolute best thing society could do for Charlie’s family is enact strict gun control so there’s less families who have to go through stuff like this. And also enact a strong social welfare net so partners and children are supported if the breadwinner in the family is suddenly lost.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

You can choose to take that mentality if you like, but it's sad that you seem to struggle with just espousing common decency to everyone regardless of who they are....you know....like a normal human being does.

My default is common decency to people. Some prove themselves unworthy of it. I think many people feel the same way, their criteria for unworthiness is just different to mine.

Celebrating someone's death isn't normal, in fact the correct response to someone saying they're happy someone's dead is "What the **** is wrong with you?"

It's disgusting behaviour. Remember, it is not normal to experience joy when seeing someone has passed away.

I question how much life experience you have if you really think that's the case. Some pretty vile people have died before.

 

[largebus]

Don't think he should've been killed but I'm not exactly sad hes gone.

Some folk are saying Netanyahu tweeted just minutes after he was shot, and that he had more critical of Israel recently. Hm.

Shot from 200 m and then bungled the arrest.
Only question is who else is involved here.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Most likely though there will be retaliation. America is beyond saving, the divide is just way too deep.

Civil war for fun and profit.

 

[PrancingPony]

Obama with a class response as usual, this is the only way anyone should be responding to the death of someone.

Nothing but respect.

 

[Malifice]

Their Dad agreed that his death is an acceptable cost for lax gun ownership laws in the US.

This.

Reprehensible crime and I hope they catch the killer and he's brought to justice, but the victim was advocating for the continuation of a society where murders like this are 'the price we have to pay' for an armed society.

He's now paid that price.

 

[peternorth]

American right wing podcaster, shooter still on the loose, they did apprehend someone but wasn't the guy apparently. Hope this doesn't cause some sort of left-right tit for tat scenario.

Shooter still at large after influencer Charlie Kirk killed at university event

Donald Trump confirms Charlie Kirk has been shot dead in front of a crowd of horrified students, with the US president describing the conservative activist as a "tremendous person" and a "very good friend".

www.abc.net.au

tom elliott, via his callers, openly wondered whether this could be the conservative version of george floyd/BLM. I think they hope it is

 

[Sixpence]

So you approve of people being murdered who have a different opinion to you? You're sick. Truly.

I think that's a ridiculously simplistic summation of the situation. You don't appear to grasp the gravity of that different opinion.

FWIW, I don't think he deserved to die, but I'm also not going to shed a tear over it.

 

[PrancingPony]

i dont need you to tell me what 'being a good person' is

i have my own benchmark for that - and kirk (and his supporters) doesnt come any where near satisfying the criteria

You're entitled to do whatever, my benchmark is very simple, are you a fellow human being? Then I will extend love and respect your way, because that's what I feel is the right thing to do.

 

[Grumpyshades]

Obama with a class response as usual, this is the only way anyone should be responding to the death of someone.

Nothing but respect.

while the motivation is yet proven, it's pretty obvious

 

[magpie_marty]

Shot in the neck.
Someone with skills would not have missed the head.

Or hit an ear ?dammmit

 

[Ry009]

It's totally abhorrent what happened to him and shouldn't be condoned in any shape or form.

It's completely disingenuous to claim he operated in good faith though, he was a hypocritical grifter like the many others of his ilk, who have happily profited the us vs them narrative without any thought about others. What happened was a by-product of the media/GOP benefiting off each other by the divisive rhetoric they've gone on for the last 10 years. All the networks not just Fox in the US have a lot to answer for.

Instead of framing everything as a 'right vs left' debate, should be about how we address the poor and/or mentally challenged people in the world that are so easily manipulated into doing abhorrent shit and weaponized for personal game.

Sadly this going to be another chapter in society where instead of being a platform for 'hey maybe we can go about things better' it will be just used as another wedge to further divide a pretty frustrated world.

Cant see the US ever digging themselves out of the hole they're in. Reckon I'll be long gone for there's any level of calm in that country, sad stuff.

 

[_Mike_]

Kirk was a right wing MAGA activist, openly preaching right wing ideology putting a target on him in the process.
America is a powder key waiting to explode and It was a matter of time IMO with the assassination of the democrat politicians a few months back and Kirk was an easy target IMO. The morality of celebrating death is a dark place

There is a growing rot at the core of public consciousness—a sickness that twists logic into pretzels and forges idols from filth. It is not enough for some to explain the rationale behind the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, in terms of his contemptible exploitation and greed. Nor is it sufficient to critique the sprawling, faceless systems in which he played a malicious part. Instead, an insidious and inexplicable movement has emerged, lionizing the alleged killer, Luigi Mangione, as though the destruction of a flawed life somehow constitutes heroism. https://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2024/12/on-rotten-consensus-the-celebration-of-murder/amp/

Musk's fueling of wants for civil war and social media algorithm manipulation is pushing a clear agenda. Trump is too weak to see this, surrounded by his sycophants feeding him ego boosting narratives. The US is going to have to dig themselves out of this very big hole & Trump isnt capable of doing that IMO

 

[Rustin Cohle]

Looking forward to when Trump kicks the bucket and we're told to empathise with his deplorable family and take no joy in his death.

 

[Gethelred]

they basically 'buried' the story because it didn't fit the lefty narrative

Because of the amount of times he was released by judges on cashless bail, despite the amount of violent crimes he committed and his own mother and sister begging the judge to have him moved into a mental institution.

Then he was also caught on camera after the stabbing saying he "Got the white bitch" although in a call with his sister from prison he later went on to say he thought she was reading his mind and that he had 'materials' in his brain that the CIA used to make him stab her.

Bloke was a certified nutjob and judges just kept letting him out into the public.

Then there's the fact mainstream media refused to cover it until the story got too big.

Okay.

You have 24 hours to demonstrate that the media refused to publish that Charlie Kirk died on political grounds, to retract your claim, or you will be infracted for misinforming the forum.

 

[PrancingPony]

I will say this, America feels like the only country in the developed world where things like this can happen as often as they do.

I genuinely think if gun control became stricter in America.....you'd genuinely just have people move to knife killings. There's something seriously wrong in the waters over there right now, some absolutely sick people.

 

[peternorth]

Showing sympathy and empathy is basic to human kind. I was no fan of his, but simultaneously respected the way he debated and I think it was done in a non aggressive manner. He put himself out there.

I am also conscious however that empathy and sympathy can be seen as being WoKe