Traded Brandon Starcevich - traded to West Coast as part of a 3-way trade with Brisbane and Fremantle

[txbyhull]

Why are Eagles fans getting upset at the thought of giving a pick they are potentially getting for free from the AFL to Brisbane?

Don’t give it to them then.
Just accept the swap of Allen for Starcevich and move on.

Of course they wont want this, it takes away from them the rort that is getting pick 2 for Oscar.

No one is upset about it, it’s just what it is. Everyone knows full well that eagles will receive end of first round and Brisbane will end up with it.

All I said earlier was I’d love it if we got 2 end of seconds instead, because the chances we get end of first assistance over multiple years is pretty low. Roos got given 2 and then 1 another year later (or vice versa), and I don’t think we’ll receive that for whatever reason, even though we should. If we only end up getting 1 end of first full stop then sure give it up for Starcevich, but if there’s any chance to save that next year for someone else then I’d rather that.

 

[Barrybran]

Bingo.
Just because we could have lost him for nothing to another team, doesn’t mean we have to lose him for nothing.

Your circumstances, not wanting to dilute the overcompensation for Allen, would change everyone’s approach. It’s equally if not more in your interest to make a deal, something the WCE supporter in here are having trouble with.

I haven’t seen anything ridiculous suggestion like F1 suggested by any Brisbane supporter in here, far from us trying to force whatever value we want.

On the other hand WCE supporter constantly saying the Hawk R3 is enough, That’s a token pick. Even the Hawks R2 is currently 31, with likely 4 compensation picks (Allen, Draper, TDK and Silvagni) you’re likely assistance pick, that fast becoming a token pick.

If we don't want to dilute pick 2, we look elsewhere. Honestly, I'm struggling to understand how Brisbane fans don't understand this concept. That's why Starcevich's trade value is low. Not because we're the bad guys, but because we have other options.

The Hawks' R3 is more than you will receive from any other club for Starcevich. Brisbane don't have to accept that. But they do have to juggle salaries to make that work among their other priorities.

 

[Barrybran]

F3rd. Better than nothing which is what should happen.

Good chance the Lions will need points again next year.

You just got our captain for free and we don't bid on your academy kids or father sons this year or next.

That would be me.

The club. Historically have been soft as butter at the negotiating table. Can't afford that any longer.

It won't be a future pick

 

[Elixuh]

F3rd. Better than nothing which is what should happen.

Good chance the Lions will need points again next year.

You just got our captain for free and we don't bid on your academy kids or father sons this year or next.

That would be me.

The club. Historically have been soft as butter at the negotiating table. Can't afford that any longer.

That’s not going to cut it unfortunately. You’ll have to go back to your team and come up with a revised offer.

 

[mattsmob]

So you're prepared to lose him to North for nothing but we have to pay what you want for him?

That’s just the reality of the situation, North can sign him without expending draft assets, Eagles can sign him without expending draft assets as well but are choosing not to. Not that difficult to understand

 

[txbyhull]

Are we just going to jump straight into cosplaying the list team now

 

[Barrybran]

That’s just the reality of the situation, North can sign him without expending draft assets, Eagles can sign him without expending draft assets as well but are choosing not to. Not that difficult to understand

That doesn't mean we have to pay overs to get him. The price is more than what someone else will pay. You may respond with the price being what you're willing to accept, which would be true, but if noone is willing to pay that, you then have to choose to accept whatever someone is willing to pay or make the contract work.

 

[mattsmob]

That doesn't mean we have to pay overs to get him. The price is more than what someone else will pay. You may respond with the price being what you're willing to accept, which would be true, but if noone is willing to pay that, you then have to choose to accept whatever someone is willing to pay or make the contract work.

A future third isn’t fair value

 

[Barrybran]

A future third isn’t fair value

A future this is more than other clubs will be willing to pay though because they can get him for nothing

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

If we don't want to dilute pick 2, we look elsewhere. Honestly, I'm struggling to understand how Brisbane fans don't understand this concept. That's why Starcevich's trade value is low. Not because we're the bad guys, but because we have other options.

The Hawks' R3 is more than you will receive from any other club for Starcevich. Brisbane don't have to accept that. But they do have to juggle salaries to make that work among their other priorities.

It’s doesn’t matter what we would receive from other teams, that is totally irrelevant. The deal will be between WCE and Brisbane.

Ah Chee could walk to you in the PSD, that won’t factor in our negotiations with Adelaide at all.

What other options ?
Your team clearly rates him, that’s the reason they offered him a significant contract, that’s the reason they asked for an exemption, that the reason they’ve asked for an assistance pick.
There’s not a chance that they pivot off him because they lose a free pick.

 

[Barrybran]

It’s doesn’t matter what we would receive from other teams, that is totally irrelevant. The deal will be between WCE and Brisbane.

Ah Chee could walk to you in the PSD, that won’t factor in our negotiations with Adelaide at all.

What other options ?
Your team clearly rates him, that’s the reason they offered him a significant contract, that’s the reason they asked for an exemption, that the reason they’ve asked for an assistance pick.
There’s not a chance that they pivot off him because they lose a free pick.

I have heard that we're interested in Ah Chee but I don't see that one happening.

I am curious about the priority pick thing because I drew the same conclusion as you, which tells me we are likely to do something stupid. We already have players that can do what Starcevich does so the only thing I can think of is freeing those players up to play further up the field, which also means we can target other players who can play further up the field. Apparently there is interest in McVee but he would cost more to us than Starcevich should.

Paying a first for Starcevich is bad business for us. We're likely going to pick up mids at the top end. Those later picks would be handy for a young key defender or two.

 

[Dockers26]

No one is upset about it, it’s just what it is. Everyone knows full well that eagles will receive end of first round and Brisbane will end up with it.

All I said earlier was I’d love it if we got 2 end of seconds instead, because the chances we get end of first assistance over multiple years is pretty low. Roos got given 2 and then 1 another year later (or vice versa), and I don’t think we’ll receive that for whatever reason, even though we should. If we only end up getting 1 end of first full stop then sure give it up for Starcevich, but if there’s any chance to save that next year for someone else then I’d rather that.

I haven't caught up on the news, has any AFL assistance package for WCE been confirmed ?

 

[txbyhull]

I haven't caught up on the news, has any AFL assistance package for WCE been confirmed ?

Not yet, likely to come before the end of the month. We originally requested to not have 2 diluted, 2 list spots, and pre-listing of NGA talent. However we recently pivoted to asking for a pacakage of picks similar to the North assistance in end of first rounders to be traded on for talent. They received 1 and then 2 the following year. I'd hope we get at least 1 this year and 1 next year. Or even a first and a second this year, and another second next year or something like that. Try and net Starcevich, Tylar Young, and then get in a pre-agents ear for the next 12 months.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

I have heard that we're interested in Ah Chee but I don't see that one happening.

I am curious about the priority pick thing because I drew the same conclusion as you, which tells me we are likely to do something stupid. We already have players that can do what Starcevich does so the only thing I can think of is freeing those players up to play further up the field, which also means we can target other players who can play further up the field. Apparently there is interest in McVee but he would cost more to us than Starcevich should.

Paying a first for Starcevich is bad business for us. We're likely going to pick up mids at the top end. Those later picks would be handy for a young key defender or two.

Starcevich is an elite player for his position, we’re obviously losing him because we’ve been priced out and the want to go back home, which happens to teams in our position.
Genuinely would pay a first rounder for an equivalent type, so would the likes of Geelong, Adelaide, Pies etc.

I don’t watch enough of the WCE to accurately say how he fits your system, but I’m confident in saying he will clearly improve you in that area, as is his level of play for us. You are getting a seriously good player.

The net result with the assistance pick is the same for the Eagles, you get your man for nothing, while not undermining the whole Free Agency system, it’s a simple solution.
You’re going to walk away with the top 2 talents, the hawks 1st and the 1st pick on the second night, while adding Starcevich, that’s a decent offseason.

We have enough assets already for the Annables bid, the importance of getting something good is it will help us potentially land Ridley.
That allows us to offer a package of our first rounder, the assistance picks to Essendon

 

[txbyhull]

I don’t watch enough of the WCE to accurately say how he fits your system, but I’m confident in saying he will clearly improve you in that area, as is his level of play for us. You are getting a seriously good player.

He would definitely improve us, he'd take a spot off of Duggan or Cole. I just personally don't know if I value that at a late first. Not to say I wouldn't pay it, given we aren't really after anyone else so its not like I can posture and say we'd pivot. Its a weird situation but I also think its completely open and shut.

We have enough assets already for the Annables bid, the importance of getting something good is it will help us potentially land Ridley.
That allows us to offer a package of our first rounder, the assistance picks to Essendon

Every time I read about Ridley I'm shocked, like I know he's good but 2 late firsts feels like serious serious overs?

 

[mattsmob]

Every time I read about Ridley I'm shocked, like I know he's good but 2 late firsts feels like serious serious overs?

That’s because you’re so used to seeing Starce is worth pick 85 and a promise not to bid on an academy player

 

[txbyhull]

That’s because you’re so used to seeing Starce is worth pick 85 and a promise not to bid on an academy player

Aren’t you a ray of sunshine… was a genuine question

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

He would definitely improve us, he'd take a spot off of Duggan or Cole. I just personally don't know if I value that at a late first. Not to say I wouldn't pay it, given we aren't really after anyone else so its not like I can posture and say we'd pivot. Its a weird situation but I also think its completely open and shut.

Every time I read about Ridley I'm shocked, like I know he's good but 2 late firsts feels like serious serious overs?

When fit and playing on the right type of player, is rarely beaten. Serious good player. Value is always subjective, personally think he is worth that.

Essendon will dig their heels in, and rightfully so. We have a tendency to get deals done. Would likely require pick 25 and change coming back for matching, that likely leaves us in a position to match still.

Would read as 2x first from Essendon PR, in reality our first and a 7pick upgrade

 

[txbyhull]

When fit and playing on the right type of player, is rarely beaten. Serious good player. Value is always subjective, personally think he is worth that.

Of course, only concern for me is that Houghy is likely moving back into a serious lockdown role like he was doing last year. Was probably one of the best itl at it. Never a bad thing to have 2 of those and probably frees up Starcevich to be a bit more free and expansive.

Essendon will dig their heels in, and rightfully so. We have a tendency to get deals done. Would likely require pick 25 and change coming back for matching, that likely leaves us in a position to match still.

Would read as 2x first from Essendon PR, in reality our first and a 7pick upgrade

Take notes mattsmob xx

 

[Paracleet]

Brisbane fans need to lay off the bathwater. Trading a first for Starsevich? Mods should weeding trolling like that out.

 

[stallon]

In fairness, we're benefiting from the AFL's flawed policies this year as well

To an extent that is dwarfed by Brisbane every year for the last few years.

We are getting scraps here

 

[stallon]

Okay so I was trying to be reasonable and say the lions could expect a little less than market value because we have made effective approaches and selling our excellent club to two targeted free agents that will make us better. That is list management 101 and our club works bloody well within the guidelines setup to achieve list improvement year on year now the club is run more effectively.

You can sell the club because youve gotten 3 f/s who were worthy top 5/10 picks, and 2 academy kids now in the early parts of the draft all in the last few years. Youve traded away assets in those years to acquire elite players like Dunkley. Youve now used your current position as a strong team with 6! young elite mids coming through to attract free agents.
This is not some work of genius list management by Brisbane lmao **** me campaigner

The pressure is on Brisbane approximately zero - we strengthen our team regardless tow tall players with injury clouds - but WC get Starce to strengthen your team because currently an experienced, capable player with leadership qualities will be added to your current squad to try to meld the defence into a cohesive unit or add some starch (no pun intended) to your midfield with spurts through there and give you a point of difference, you then also get Pick 2 as compensation which I think is the biggest issue with equality in this entire thread - WC is essentially already being given an assistance package through the secret herbs and spices FA compensation mix for a player who has hardly played recently but Brisbane are taking a calculated risk on.

The pressure is on Brisbane to make the most of their premiership window, they will not find another KPF to the quality of Allen in free agency in the near future, and thats clearly a HUGE deficiency right now. Dont pretend dude.

Allen is out the door anyway, he would find another club if you guys didnt get him.

Take Starce as a Free Agent and we get nothing, you guys end up with probably tier 3 compensation for Allen as that is how Free Agency works you get a FA you dilute your compensation for losing one. Not sure what all the posturing is about I was saying in a trade equation there is some acknowledgement that WC is making out well in the overall sum of things even with a pick trade for Starce.

Thats why we are asking for an exception this year??

Any trade we do would have to be unders for Starc, lets be honest Starc is not as good a player as Allen, a mid 2nd round pick would be more than adequate trade capital to get it all done.

 

[Art OF war]

If theres any truth to the Neale rumours, West Coast will have to trade for him. I could see Brisbane accepting West Coast’s 2nd rounder, which is as close to a late first as it gets. But wouldnt they want points instead of a higher pick? Or do the Lions need capital for draft targets?

 

[stallon]

WCE fans: we’re going to bid on AnNaBlE if you don’t do exactly what we say

Lions fans:

Thats not how your club feels about it bud

 

[stallon]

Why are Eagles fans getting upset at the thought of giving a pick they are potentially getting for free from the AFL to Brisbane?

Don’t give it to them then.
Just accept the swap of Allen for Starcevich and move on.

Of course they wont want this, it takes away from them the rort that is getting pick 2 for Oscar.

We would like to use any picks we get that must be traded on other things

Starc we know should be free, why spend more than you have to?