Unofficial Preview Preliminary Final: Lions v Pies - 5.15 Saturday 20 September

[iBeng]

Damn this just randomly popped up on my YouTube...What timing!

 

[M Malice]

Who goes to who?

Brandon Starcevich

4

Brandon Starcevich

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.2

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

185.3

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.3

3star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.1

3star

MG

187.9

3star

D

8.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

181.2

3star

> Jamie Elliott
Harris Andrews

31

Harris Andrews

Age

29

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.8

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

151.7

2star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.8

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

94.0

2star

> Mason Cox

18

Mason Cox

Age

34

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

/Darcy Cameron

14

Darcy Cameron

Age

30

Ht

204cm

Wt

103kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

3.5

5star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.3

2star

HB

2.7

3star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

Darcy Gardiner

27

Darcy Gardiner

Age

30

Ht

192cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.6

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.1

4star

T

2.1

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.1

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.0

1star

> Brodie Mihocek
Ryan Lester

35

Ryan Lester

Age

33

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

170.4

3star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

140.7

3star

D

12.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

0.6

3star

> Tim Membrey

28

Tim Membrey

Age

31

Ht

188cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.1

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.5

3star

G

1.8

5star

D

9.4

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

2star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

4.8

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

0.6

3star

Rayner has to play as much midfield time as he can physically, he is an absolute weapon in there.

Do we go a hard tag on Nick Daicos? Can Dunkley go with him... Berry be a better option... just back our midfield group to beat theirs.

Keep very close tabs on Sidebum and Pendles.

 

[mpal6]

Who goes to who?

Brandon Starcevich > Jamie Elliott
Harris Andrews > Mason Cox/Darcy Cameron
Darcy Gardiner > Brodie Mihocek
Ryan Lester > Tim Membrey

Rayner has to play as much midfield time as he can physically, he is an absolute weapon in there.

Do we go a hard tag on Nick Daicos? Can Dunkley go with him... Berry be a better option... just back our midfield group to beat theirs.

Keep very close tabs on Sidebum and Pendles.

We'll try the same method with Daicos as last time. While there was no direct tag, we were collectively defending him just to ensure he doesn't get clean ball on the outside. I believe that tactic will be more sustainable rather than just exhausting one player chasing him all night.

 

[KissKiss]

We'll try the same method with Daicos as last time. While there was no direct tag, we were collectively defending him just to ensure he doesn't get clean ball on the outside. I believe that tactic will be more sustainable rather than just exhausting one player chasing him all night.

Especially as I dont think Dunkley is quite quick or agile enough for Daicos. It upsets the balance too much to have one player on him while Dubkley does better on the inside bull, stopping the ball going out to Daicos

 

[iBeng]

What if we put Rayner on Daicos, Daicos cant be accountable its not in his game and Rayner may just break him after 1-2 tackles?

 

[mpal6]

Especially as I dont think Dunkley is quite quick or agile enough for Daicos. It upsets the balance too much to have one player on him while Dubkley does better on the inside bull, stopping the ball going out to Daicos

Agreed, as long as players take turns when Daicos tries to sprint away, we'll end up with a good game overall. If he doesn't get that clean ball outside which he can distribute with precision, he's more than likely going to kick / handball through traffic on inside - that'll be 50/50 and I'd back our players in the contest.

 

[Nunez]

What if we put Rayner on Daicos, Daicos cant be accountable its not in his game and Rayner may just break him after 1-2 tackles?

 

[Nathan Barley]

Damn this just randomly popped up on my YouTube...What timing!

Can thank Hollow Knight for that one

I might be responsible for a fairly large amount of the views

 

[luthor]

This is from memory only but I believe we have never played Collingwood in a Prelim

Again, from memory, we have played them in four Finals as the Brisbane Lions (or Bears)

2002 GF (win)

2003 QF (loss)

2003 GF (win)

2023 GF (loss)

Two all....WLWL

According to to my infallible alternating Win/Loss theorem, we are certainties on Saturday.

It is written!

 

[md20]

I think I might be more worried about DeGoey than I am Daicos tbh

 

[Full Wingspan]

More contests and a tighter game, having two fresh ruckman in stoppages will be an advantage. Don’t think there will be much of a discussion point there imo

Am I missing something? I always thought it was football 101 that big men are less effective in the wet.

Wet conditions often mean marking is more difficult and the ball is more often on the ground. The smaller and more agile players are therefore in the game and a key strength of a taller player is severely limited.

If it is wet, we should absolutely not be playing 2 ruckmen.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Am I missing something? I always thought it was football 101 that big men are less effective in the wet.

Wet conditions often mean marking is more difficult and the ball is more often on the ground. The smaller and more agile players are therefore in the game and a key strength of a taller player is severely limited.

If it is wet, we should absolutely not be playing 2 ruckmen.

Witts, Read, Fort and Oscar had 6 marks combined in perfect conditions on the weekend

It's simply not true that big men aren't suited to wet conditions. It's actually the complete opposite.

In ruck and marking contests you need a presence because they're great opportunities to take territory. It just becomes a territory game

The sort of footballers you don't need are ones that are weak in the contest so you'd maybe consider dropping Marshall for a Dev or a Tunstill

It isnt expected to be that wet though

 

[lionsrules]

Any Brisbane based members NOT going to the prelim who would be willing to share their P1 barcodes?

Myself and my partner will be in Melbourne next weekend for work and desperate to get to the G, but as a Priority 2 member I'm not sure there will be any seats left by the time I get in

Yep I can
Fyi to others I’ve got about 5 member codes who are not going down.

 

[Full Wingspan]

Witts, Read, Fort and Oscar had 6 marks combined in perfect conditions on the weekend

It's simply not true that big men aren't suited to wet conditions. It's actually the complete opposite.

In ruck and marking contests you need a presence because they're great opportunities to take territory. It just becomes a territory game

The sort of footballers you don't need are ones that are weak in the contest so you'd maybe consider dropping Marshall for a Dev or a Tunstill

It isnt expected to be that wet though

Interesting, I would have thought if the ball is on the deck more, it would mean smaller players are more likely to impact the contest.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Interesting, I would have thought if the ball is on the deck more, it would mean smaller players are more likely to impact the contest.

It is but it's more contested, both at ground level and in the air (marking contests and stoppages).

 

[Happy_Neale]

Really hope the rain stays away Saturday evening, IMO we have more skill in the side which is on show in good conditions, elite skills also come to the fore in wet weather but the result is a bit more of a lottery.

Part of me agrees but it also helps to reduce the reliance on our tall forwards which have been a problem so far this year

 

[braddsey]

With all the attention/talk about Cam breaking so many tackles, I'd say he's in for a hard game this week. Pies will be targeting him and hitting him hard.

 

[Bucking Beads]

We will win this on the way to back to back flags...

 

[Sproj]

With all the attention/talk about Cam breaking so many tackles, I'd say he's in for a hard game this week. Pies will be targeting him and hitting him hard.

Doesn't seem to matter, he rarely ever gets held.

 

[braddsey]

Doesn't seem to matter, he rarely ever gets held.

This is true.

 

[Nathan Barley]

With all the attention/talk about Cam breaking so many tackles, I'd say he's in for a hard game this week. Pies will be targeting him and hitting him hard.

Probably the wrong way to go about it. Issue for oppositions is he drags opponents to him allowing us an outnumber.

Really just need to try and impact his possession or stop him getting it in the first place

 

[Nathan Barley]

Didn't we have a game a while back when Dusty was at the height of his powers when our guys where almost jumping on him when tackling him?

It was something strange but effective

 

[FLVanLandingham]

Didn't we have a game a while back when Dusty was at the height of his powers when our guys where almost jumping on him when tackling him?

It was something strange but effective

i remember we did that and also Lyons in particular would slap the fend off arm downwards to nullify it.

 

[mpal6]

Didn't we have a game a while back when Dusty was at the height of his powers when our guys where almost jumping on him when tackling him?

It was something strange but effective

2020 covid qualifying final at Gabba.
we flopped in prelim vs Geelong on that one, Ablett beat us .

 

[Dalions]

Interesting, I would have thought if the ball is on the deck more, it would mean smaller players are more likely to impact the contest.

Correct, this is where the taller players come in handy to get the ball to ground bringing the smaller nimble players into the game.
No doubt that Collingwood will play both Cameron and Cox and it is where they have beaten us before including at the Gabba earlier in the year.
And the 2023 Grand Final we were well beaten in the Ruck also.