Official Club Stuff Carlton Academy - Next Gen & Father/Son/Daughter Discussion II

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

AFL looking to phase out indigenous access to NGA as a priority.

 

[ctwenty1]

AFL looking to phase out indigenous access to NGA.

any news on when F/S will be out? ie the official changes?

 

[BluesForEternity]

AFL looking to phase out indigenous access to NGA as a priority.

This seems very strange! Wasn't there a big movement around the AFL trying to promote Indigenous participation?

 

[ctwenty1]

This seems very strange! Wasn't there a big movement around the AFL trying to promote Indigenous participation?

Horse hasnt bolted quite yet when it comes to indigenous participation

AFL will shut the gate once its left

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

This seems very strange! Wasn't there a big movement around the AFL trying to promote Indigenous participation?

Was informed today that it’s actually the opposite.

Indigenous NGA set ups are believed to be directly correlating to the declining number of indigenous players in the system at the moment.

 

[BluesForEternity]

Was informed today that it’s actually the opposite.

Indigenous NGA set ups are believed to be directly correlating to the declining number of indigenous players in the system at the moment.

Fascinating. Any reason why that is? Perhaps the needs of multicultural/immigrant populations is quite different from the needs of Indigenous ones to engage with high level footy?

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Fascinating. Any reason why that is? Perhaps the needs of multicultural/immigrant populations is quite different from the needs of Indigenous ones to engage with high level footy?

At a high level, they demonstrated that restricting certain players to specific clubs limits their broader opportunities.

Academy prospects, for example, often don’t get much attention from other teams because it’s assumed their NGA will take them. But when that doesn’t happen (whether due to list needs or list numbers) they then often slip through the cracks and go undrafted.

 

[Red_man2008]

Club's are very reluctant to pick a father son at pick one because the pick is still held in high prestige and if you get out bid you not only 'lose' the number one pick the bloke you pick at number 2 knows for sure you did not rate him number one. It's just overall a bad look.

From pick 2 onwards though it matters a lot less.

Listening to Swan interview from yesterday it sounds like the needing to match with only 2 picks thing is definately in. Now we just gotta hope some kind of discount remains, or deficit allowance. Otherwise it'll be real tough.

Allowing a deficit somewhat contradicts the 2 pick limit so not hopeful on that one. Discount at least for lower clubs im more hopeful on.

Specifically mentioned, that clubs will need to trade players to match top bids. Dont think theres much sentiment for tradition there. Cough up or watch your player go elsewhere is my sense.

I think top priority this trade period now needs to be getting an F1 from a club certain to finish bottom 4-6. Richmond and Westcoast are the only 2 Id be absolutely certain on.

Can't leave it to next year. Could be impossible to do. Also, means Curnow trade needs to get done.

10% discount for bottom 10 teams, accruing an extra 5% for every year the miss finals (up to a total of 50% off). 20% discount for teams in the bottom 2. Increasing by 10% every year up to 100% off.

This will hopefully rule out any team requiring pick packages donated by the AFL.

 

[ctwenty1]

10% discount for bottom 10 teams, accruing an extra 5% for every year the miss finals (up to a total of 50% off). 20% discount for teams in the bottom 2. Increasing by 10% every year up to 100% off.

This will hopefully rule out any team requiring pick packages donated by the AFL.

is the fact or a suggestion redman?

 

[bluebaggerjuls]

Probably good for us. Arli won’t be in Richmond’s academy any more if that’s the case

 

[QPower]

Phase out sounds like something done in stages over years.

 

[ctwenty1]

Phase out sounds like something done in stages over years.

Where are you hearing this? Frustrating the lack of formal information from the AFL

 

[sweethoney]

100% I remember Dunks having similar profile as a draftee - even drafted in a similar range (mid second rounder from memory, or early 20s at best). Laughing if he develops that well. Fraser has a big but exciting job.

Dunkley told clubs he didn’t want to be drafted out of Victoria and if a club outside of Victoria Sydney were going to match the bid for him

 

[Matty411]

Dunkley told clubs he didn’t want to be drafted out of Victoria and if a club outside of Victoria Sydney were going to match the bid for him

Funny how he ended up at Brissy, hey?

 

[sweethoney]

Funny how he ended up at Brissy, hey?

Yep. Probably helped his sister was living in Brisbane. Obviously wanted to get out of the bulldogs badly enough he requested a trade to Essendon the year before

 

[marcmurphy3]

Dunkley told clubs he didn’t want to be drafted out of Victoria and if a club outside of Victoria Sydney were going to match the bid for him

Bailey Smith got a doctor's note saying he couldn't leave Victoria for mental health reasons before being drafted to the bulldogs. Archie Perkins also made very clear he didn't want to leave Victoria prior to Essendon getting him. Chad Wingard said he'd request a trade if a non-SA club drafted him.

It's a long list and there'd be plenty more we don't know about.

 

[sweethoney]

Bailey Smith got a doctor's note saying he couldn't leave Victoria for mental health reasons before being drafted to the bulldogs. Archie Perkins also made very clear he didn't want to leave Victoria prior to Essendon getting him. Chad Wingard said he'd request a trade if a non-SA club drafted him.

It's a long list and there'd be plenty more we don't know about.

Rozzee too

 

[My Hat]

This idea would never work. All clubs are fully aware that Walker is a gun. He can talk up “I don’t want to go anywhere but Carlton” but it will have no effect. Carlton will get Walker but the price will have to be paid.

There is not a hope in hell this would work. If selected by another club he’d be tied to them for 3 years. Therefore Carlton will need to raise enough capital to match pick 1 or 2.

Nothing in footy is as certain or as absolute as you seem to want to make it, especially twelve months out.

I agree that on the balance of probabilities it's best for the club to prepare for a possible bid at 1 or 2, but let's not pretend we know the future.

 

[9874123]

All this talk about Cody being an absolute welded on top 2 pick is totally nonsense. Yeah everyone knows how good he is, but its a great draft next year. Its not like the bottom clubs will be choosing between bidding on Cody and getting nothing at all. Its all very fine margins in that area of the draft, it doesn't take too much for the team with pick 2 to decide to go with Van Dyke or Robinson or someone we haven't even heard of yet.

Sam Lalor went from being expected to go pick 6-10 to being taken pick 1 without even playing a game. So much can change in a week around draft time, let alone 12 months. Is it really impossible that Cody takes his foot off the pedal just 5% next year, has a couple okay/not great champs games and falls to unimaginable depths of pick 4?

 

[Red_man2008]

is the fact or a suggestion redman?

Me just spitballing. I actually think I should work for the AFL rules committee. It makes perfect sense.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

All this talk about Cody being an absolute welded on top 2 pick is totally nonsense. Yeah everyone knows how good he is, but its a great draft next year. Its not like the bottom clubs will be choosing between bidding on Cody and getting nothing at all. Its all very fine margins in that area of the draft, it doesn't take too much for the team with pick 2 to decide to go with Van Dyke or Robinson or someone we haven't even heard of yet.

Sam Lalor went from being expected to go pick 6-10 to being taken pick 1 without even playing a game. So much can change in a week around draft time, let alone 12 months. Is it really impossible that Cody takes his foot off the pedal just 5% next year, has a couple okay/not great champs games and falls to unimaginable depths of pick 4?

I don't think it's because people think he's a "welded on top 2" (well maybe some do) rather, more just trying to plan for the worst.

So much can and will change as you said.

 

[9874123]

I don't think it's because people think he's a "welded on top 2" (well maybe some do) rather, more just trying to plan for the worst.

So much can and will change as you said.

Agreed, there is no downside to being as prepared as possible given the strength of the draft. Every pick Cody slides is absolute gold for us, and makes any preparation we do this year more valuable.

 

[bradfisher14]

All this talk about Cody being an absolute welded on top 2 pick is totally nonsense. Yeah everyone knows how good he is, but its a great draft next year. Its not like the bottom clubs will be choosing between bidding on Cody and getting nothing at all. Its all very fine margins in that area of the draft, it doesn't take too much for the team with pick 2 to decide to go with Van Dyke or Robinson or someone we haven't even heard of yet.

Sam Lalor went from being expected to go pick 6-10 to being taken pick 1 without even playing a game. So much can change in a week around draft time, let alone 12 months. Is it really impossible that Cody takes his foot off the pedal just 5% next year, has a couple okay/not great champs games and falls to unimaginable depths of pick 4?

Honestly, from what I've seen, yes it would be impossible. If the rest of the league was serious, he would be a lock to go #1.

Fingers crossed it doesn't pan out that way.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Nason Lovett-Murray is now officially part of our F/S program.

 

[Opium]

They way it's looking at this stage is we'll need to trade Charlie in order to get Cody.