List Mgmt. 2025 List Management

[serial_thrilla]

 

[Cobbler]

Reckon we could give Port a future 3rd round pick, pick 47 and Brodie for their 29th pick?

Would leave us with 20, 29 and 69.

I don’t think we need any other picks this year.

We’ll trade out of 20 for best future pick (IMO it will be Brisbanes future 1)

Then we’ll just use two very low picks.

I’m near certain we won’t use pick 20.

 

[Taylor]

Just take Rodriguez with pick 20.

 

[freo_leo29]

Reckon we could give Port a future 3rd round pick, pick 47 and Brodie for their 29th pick?

Would leave us with 20, 29 and 69.

If we are doing that then we just give F3 with 33 and call it a day

I doubt we are touching our futures this period

 

[Superkoops]

I don’t think we need any other picks this year.

We’ll trade out of 20 for best future pick (IMO it will be Brisbanes future 1)

Then we’ll just use two very low picks.

I’m near certain we won’t use pick 20.

Yep. Either swap our pick 20 for F1 or
go with two picks one early and Whan.

If we retained pick 45 in the pick swap trade then the net points difference is parity. So we gave Brisbane a freebie.

I’m convinced we asked for futures and got knocked back. Only F2 and F3 have value and Brisbane/WC weren’t willing to give up. An F4 is likely 65 plus and worth absolutely nothing.

So we go to the draft with pick 20 and pick 47. Potentially trade 20 for F1 or offer 47 (which will come back a little) to a club on draft night for an F3 if there is a player a club rates to upgrade draft position from say 50 etc.

With regards to the port deal no way they deal 29 for 47 and F3 (approx 52):


No way we’re getting pick 36 equivalent for Someone we want to get rid of.

 

[Quokka]

The media have been overrating our list for years. i.e. saying our forward half game is sorted and our midfield is "very very strong" lol neither of those things are true

Either that or we're underperforming with the list

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Yep. Either swap our pick 20 for F1 or
go with two picks one early and Whan.

If we retained pick 45 in the pick swap trade then the net points difference is parity. So we gave Brisbane a freebie.

I’m convinced we asked for futures and got knocked back. Only F2 and F3 have value and Brisbane/WC weren’t willing to give up. An F4 is likely 65 plus and worth absolutely nothing.

So we go to the draft with pick 20 and pick 47. Potentially trade 20 for F1 or offer 47 (which will come back a little) to a club on draft night for an F3 if there is a player a club rates to upgrade draft position from say 50 etc.

With regards to the port deal no way they deal 29 for 47 and F3 (approx 52):

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No way we’re getting pick 36 equivalent for Someone we want to get rid of.

Only disclaimer is that we've yet to see how valuable future picks are this year, going by our own trading there is a chance their value is through the roof.

Still, I dont know how anyone could have any optimism on a potential Freo trade as it stands. Expect the worse so the anger is less when it's even worse than that

 

[Docker82]

Only disclaimer is that we've yet to see how valuable future picks are this year, going by our own trading there is a chance their value is through the roof.

Still, I dont know how anyone could have any optimism on a potential Freo trade as it stands. Expect the worse so the anger is less when it's even worse than that

Almost looks like they've just decided they're just going with Pick 20 and the second pick is just there to cover a Whan bid if it comes earlier than expected so Walls was just '**** it, the rest of our picks don't matter anyway'.

Really think we should've been at least able to leave Pick 34 out of the trade whilst Pick 47 goes to West Coast.

For some reason I think Brisbane tricked both us and West Coast into thinking the trade had to be done today. Free agency does finish Friday but there's an earlier deadline for Restricted Free agents to allow the window for matching the bid. Perhaps there's something else coming but I'm not going to be expecting it. Think we've just folded easily because we don't care about picks in this draft, which IMO we shouldn't do even if that was the case.

Said since McVee requested a trade to us that Pick 34 was never going to be enough and that this wasn't a scenario where we could just ream Melbourne. Pick 24 is about right and will look like a bargain in a few years if McVee develops even a little bit - Worst case scenario we've got ourselves a 8-9 year best 23 player.

 

[freo_leo29]

Worst case scenario we've got ourselves a 8-9 year best 23 player.

Worst case scenario is he plays like he did this year and is out of our team within 2 years.

 

[Purple Suit]

Almost looks like they've just decided they're just going with Pick 20 and the second pick is just there to cover a Whan bid if it comes earlier than expected so Walls was just '**** it, the rest of our picks don't matter anyway'.

Really think we should've been at least able to leave Pick 34 out of the trade whilst Pick 47 goes to West Coast.

For some reason I think Brisbane tricked both us and West Coast into thinking the trade had to be done today. Free agency does finish Friday but there's an earlier deadline for Restricted Free agents to allow the window for matching the bid. Perhaps there's something else coming but I'm not going to be expecting it. Think we've just folded easily because we don't care about picks in this draft, which IMO we shouldn't do even if that was the case.

Said since McVee requested a trade to us that Pick 34 was never going to be enough and that this wasn't a scenario where we could just ream Melbourne. Pick 24 is about right and will look like a bargain in a few years if McVee develops even a little bit - Worst case scenario we've got ourselves a 8-9 year best 23 player.

This seems logical except for the bit when we help out Brisbane & WC, the two teams we want to help the least.

 

[Docker82]

Worst case scenario is he plays like he did this year and is out of our team within 2 years.

He was 100% still good enough to get a game for us this year IMO. Only had to be better than Banfield.

 

[Vintage]

The media have been overrating our list for years. i.e. saying our forward half game is sorted and our midfield is "very very strong" lol neither of those things are true

2026 midfield version should be very good if young is fit - johnno and Ras v26 should be better than average players imo.

Another year into the 3 talls up forward, Bolton settled in is a solid forward line. Rick, switta, Reid round it out ok. It’s not the best forward line in the league, but far from terrible. Swap Reid for a really good small forward do he can move up the ground and we’d be set I reckon - easier said than done obviously.

And McVee will be an awesome addition coming out of the backline, should make a big difference to how we play.

 

[Puregold]

Can see us trading 20, 47 and our future 2nd for the eagles future 2nd, 34 and 38. Allowing us to grab guys like Fred and Cody Curtin this year.

Probably wishful thinking with this scenario but maybe something similar

 

[poshman]

This seems logical except for the bit when we help out Brisbane & WC, the two teams we want to help the least.

It makes no sense at all. I like to think I am the optimistic sort, but this deal...

Why the hell would we unlock free agency compo for both clubs?!

Why would we not wait until the last few days to see what Melbourne ends up with and get more from the pick 12 downgrade?

It doesn't make sense. I have read most posts over the last 24 hours and it doesn't make sense.

 

[E Shed]

Either that or we're underperforming with the list

A midfield brigade of Darcy, Jackson, Young, Serong, Brayshaw, Reid & Erasmus ain’t chopped liver.

 

[King Huskii]

A midfield brigade of Darcy, Jackson, Young, Serong, Brayshaw, Reid & Erasmus ain’t chopped liver.

And Johnson

 

[Purple Jesus]

A midfield brigade of Darcy, Jackson, Young, Serong, Brayshaw, Reid & Erasmus ain’t chopped liver.

Yeah, that bats deep. Assuming Shai Bolton also starts to gel and hits his straps with the team as well.

 

[Gekko71]

Well this has been an interesting read.

I have nothing useful to add, apart from the observation that Freo love a bit of misdirection with their draft pics in the lead up to draft period, but otherwise they tend to play things with a moderately straight bat the rest of the year.

This year before the trade period heated up, they initially said it would be a quiet trade period for us, and we'd be keeping an eye on our SSP options as opposed to going into the draft heavy, as we've picked up some bargains there.

It's only much later that they claimed we were looking to move up the draft, which I personally viewed at the time as pure bluff, as it went directly against what was said earlier.

Getting McVee on board was a great acquisition, full stop. As for what we paid, and sending #33 to the Eagles, I honestly couldn't be fagged about that one way or another, as it's entirely consistent with what we said earlier (ie: we're not going hard at this draft).

Usually we trade in or out some future pics as part of our trades. Not only have we NOT done that this year, I purely anecdotally note that VERY few future pics seem to be trading hands at all this year, and that goes for all teams, not just us.

Maybe that's the result of Tassie entering the comp, maybe it's the quality of this year's crop versus next year, maybe it's due to salary cap issues, maybe it living in a big city, maybe it's lifestyle, maybe it's the postman.... Speculate about the reasons for this year's trade decisions all you like if you really want to, but myself I view it as a horrible waste of energy.

Clubs position themselves at the draft to obtain players they have already identified as being 'must haves'.


If however genuinely NONE of the current crop of draftees, are of ANY genuine substantial interest to you whatsoever, and NOBODY is willing to part with future pics to ensure fair value with the one trade you want to do, then what should you do?

If the whole current draft is truly, genuinely, just one big bowl of 'meh' and 'no thanks' then how should our draft team therefore behave?

Well, I guess first off they wouldn't value our current pics very highly.

Secondly I guess they'd trade in whatever decent established players they could get, without gutting our remaining salary cap at the same time.

And thirdly they'd probably put all their efforts into looking to recruiting players in the Rookie draft or during the SSP period.

Which is all exactly what we've done this year, and is also exactly what we said we'd do before trade period actually started.

So why all the angst and melts over us losing draft pics that were ALL seemingly worth next to sweet FA to us in this draft?

The only thing that would happen if we kept those pics is we would either end up drafting (and then being contractually forced to keep) a bunch of players on our main list at the national draft, that we genuinely didn't want in the first place (thereby having fewer recruiting options for any far more attractive SSP and Rookie acquisitions)

OR...

We sit on those useless pics we don't want and don't want to use, and then on draft night, we send a massive, deliberate F U to the entire 2025 draft year all at once, by drafting just one player with our first pic, then passing on every single subsequent draft pic we possessed, in all the other remaining rounds of the draft, despite us having at LEAST another four or five other playing slots free on our list. Not exactly a good PR move is it?

If we don't have any other pics besides our first one however, then we can't be blamed for calling a spud a spud, and refusing to draft any other players on the night. You can't use pics you no longer have.

Before anyone mentions Whan by the way, I've never seen him play, so I can't comment on his desirability. I can only note he's not included in Cam's top 50, or on any other current top 50 lists either, so I'm therefore guessing we're looking at him with purple tinted glasses on.

I could well be wrong on this of course and need to stress again that I don't honestly know if he's good or not... the guy is a mystery to me.

But I also figure that the full time professional selectors we employ, would take all necessary steps to ensure we have enough pics to secure him on draft day. If we DID actually rate him.

If however we now no longer have enough draft capital to ensure we get him, then what does that honestly say about our intentions to draft the guy?

Maybe they think he's going to be another Banfield, or Freddie, or whichever other pointless, baseless whipping boy is currently in vogue on these boards.

Everyone currently attacking our drafting team for us giving away pics, please just think for a second.

Isn't it possible, that there's genuinely only one, or at the very best MAYBE two players, currently available in the draft at our pic range, that we genuinely regard as being able to potentially improve our current list?

And if this year's draft really is genuinely SO BLOODY WOEFUL that we really don't want a bar of it (as I currently suspect might be the case), are we REALLY that upset, at the idea of WCE getting an extra hopeless talentless list clogger on their books with that pick 33, which they acquired as a free "gift" or "drafting mistake" from us??

That old expression "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts" springs to mind with this whole draft-pick swop saga... And for once, it's Freo who's giving out the gift pics this year, not receiving them.

And this year, it's a horribly depleted eagles team who's looking for extra players, and not us.

And that is all perfectly fine with me.

Unlike many others on the boards, I don't have a scapegoat player on the team I like to hang shit on.

I actually genuinely believe the team is the strongest it's ever been right now.

With that in mind, if I was David, and I had the chance to pass on all but one player in an entire draft year, and in the process thereby avoid drafting another list clogger that will never play a game, and only be cut once their draft contract ended...

And if in the process of me passing on that many average players at once, if I also had a chance to ensure in the process, that WC's list got weaker by allowing them to take one more average player than they already have...

...well, I guess I'd give away one or two of our draft pics to the Eagles as well.

Why the hell would I want to stop the Eagles from making their list worse, by drafting young players that I'm already certain we don't want on our list at any price?

Please give our drafting team just a little bit of credit people.

The same people who just gave WC an extra pick for free, are the exact same people who gave us the most deeply talented playing list this team has ever seen in its history.

Maybe... just maybe .. they actually know exactly what they're doing.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Considering our backline has multiple AAs in it and we've paid the equiv of a packet of chips and a chico roll for them, I'd say we're doing alright.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Almost looks like they've just decided they're just going with Pick 20 and the second pick is just there to cover a Whan bid if it comes earlier than expected so Walls was just '**** it, the rest of our picks don't matter anyway'.

Really think we should've been at least able to leave Pick 34 out of the trade whilst Pick 47 goes to West Coast.

This is pretty much bang on. Broadly speaking, their aims were basically "get McVee in, keep around a high-ish pick, and the remaining senior list spot is a Whan bid or a mature ager if there's no Whan bid". Chuck in a couple Cat Bs. And then with the rookie list spots we'll get a mature age ruck and SSPs. Maybe move Sturt to LTI. Won't be delisting players in contract.

Pick swap was a pretty shit deal, but it basically accomplished those broad aims. If we drove a harder bargain we could've at least traded pick 20 back up a bit using that pick 34 for points, but it is what it is. From there, most likely outcome would be take someone with the 1st (might still try to trade up if someone we like slides), but outside chance that something worth trading the 1st materialises in the next week or we boot it on draft night coz everyone we like is gone.

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

The thing is that if another club had done the exact same trade as this we would all be in here laughing at them and absolutely taking the piss out of them for being so dumb...

 

[Tonga Bob]

Just on the Judd McVee trade, current options of players running out of defence (exl Clark and he can’t continue to do it himself) are Banners, Walker and Worner. I have absolutely no faith in any of them.

I know many in here will come into bat for Chapman but let’s face it he doesn’t have the balls to pull the trigger. I still have a candle lit for Simpson. Think he could be an important cog in that back 6.

Can’t watch another year of Banners in the backline or even the forward line. Needs to be shipped down to Mandurah immediately.

Last year we got Rid of Taberner and Hughes which was great once banners goes i think all our spuds are gone

Amen brother. Freo dockers please don’t inflict another year of this on us in 2026

Good chat guys.

Quick question - can you fight?

 

[swanny1234]

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Got you bro

Feathers in caps.

 

[swanny1234]

The thing is that if another club had done the exact same trade as this we would all be in here laughing at them and absolutely taking the piss out of them for being so dumb...

This, exactly this.

Every other club is probably having a right old chuckle at Freo’s ineptitude with this one.

Probably West Coast fans highlight of the season - fleecing Freo in a trade.

 

[lukedean16]

No use in complaining about it anymore. Obviously we don’t rate the draft enough to even care. I hate the trade but just move on

 

[PurpleGreenRed]

well no...that would be a cheesey potato bake...for mine...

cheesy potatoe bakes are highly overated

Crinkle cut chips are the go