Traded Charlie Curnow [Traded with #31, #42, '27 R2 (Carl) to Sydney for Hayward, #11, '26 & '27 R1 (Syd)]

[Mr Meow]

About pick 9 in 2026 and pick 14 in 2027 because of Tassy's picks.
Can't see that happenning though because if you did trade the picks for a player, you improve the team, and also you don't often lose home games so that's 8 or 9 home wins.

Wow those look like an average of pick 11 or 12 if Geelong has 2023 style finishes, not picks in the 20s. So you're definitely assuming Geelong is going to keep making grand finals.

Isn't winning 11 games away from home in 2025 a bigger issue? How many other teams besides Brisbane achieved this?

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Wow those look like an average of pick 11 or 12 if Geelong has 2023 style finishes, not picks in the 20s. So you're definitely assuming Geelong is going to keep making grand finals.

Isn't winning 11 games away from home in 2025 a bigger issue? How many other teams besides Brisbane achieved this?

The 2027 pick you go down 7 picks because of Tassy.
Like I said it's near immpossible for you to finish out of the 8 with your home ground advantage and if you get Curnow you'll be odds on to be top 4 in the next two years.
You can't expect Carlton to back against the predicted finishing likelihood.

 

[1990crow]

If I was Carlton I would go for Neale, O'Sullivan and a first for Curnow.

 

[carlton_99]

If I was Carlton I would go for Neale, O'Sullivan and a first for Curnow.

Geelong wouldn't do that

 

[1990crow]

Geelong wouldn't do that

I'm not so sure. They wouldn't really need Neale with Curnow coming in.
Sticking point would be O'Sullivan who is a very good prospect, but would be what they'd have to give up to make this happen.

So yeh, doubt it happens.
You'd need to give those two pay rises to make them interested too.

 

[carlton_99]

I'm not so sure. They wouldn't really need Neale with Curnow coming in.
Sticking point would be O'Sullivan who is a very good prospect, but would be what they'd have to give up to make this happen.

So yeh, doubt it happens.
You'd need to give those two pay rises to make them interested too.

Yeh you could be right I just can't see a trade with Geelong happening. I think it will be Swans if it happens.

 

[Hinkley29]

If I was Carlton I would go for Neale, O'Sullivan and a first for Curnow.

So would I. In a heartbeat.

Carlton would accept Curnow for O’Sullivan straight up.

Except that Geelong would never agree to that.

 

[Hinkley29]

I'm not so sure. They wouldn't really need Neale with Curnow coming in.
Sticking point would be O'Sullivan who is a very good prospect, but would be what they'd have to give up to make this happen.

So yeh, doubt it happens.
You'd need to give those two pay rises to make them interested too.

Neale and curnow is not an either/or situation. They are very different players. They want curnow and Neale.

Especially given Cameron will be 33 just after the start of next season.

 

[Hinkley29]

I think we can say Bailey Smith is a toxic influence to our low IQ Charlie and Charlie needs to pull his head out.

I don’t know, Charlie actually looks happy in his shots with Bailey. Unlike the sad sack Charlie we saw in a blues jumper recently.

Bailey looks like a positive influence.

 

[carlton_99]

So would I. In a heartbeat.

Carlton would accept Curnow for O’Sullivan straight up.

Except that Geelong would never agree to that.

O'Sullivan looks like he's going to be a great player but we wouldn't do that.

 

[Hinkley29]

O'Sullivan looks like he's going to be a great player but we wouldn't do that.

If Carlton were run by competent people who are able to realistically understand their list needs and current profile they would absolutely do that.

But I don’t think they are, so you are probably correct, they likely wouldn’t accept it.

 

[fpm84]

If I was Carlton I would go for Neale, O'Sullivan and a first for Curnow.

What’s the Sydney equivalent of this trade?

 

[Hinkley29]

What’s the Sydney equivalent of this trade?

All the picks and half the list for curnow and a second rounder.

 

[1990crow]

What’s the Sydney equivalent of this trade?

First rounder, Logan McDonald? Maybe a touch more.

Looking at Sydney's list it's a bit yucky outside of Heeney, Mills, Warner and Gulden.

 

[TasSixer]

What’s the Sydney equivalent of this trade?

I guess Mcdonald(Neale), Sheldrick(upcoming young players) and a future 1st(Or second, since Cats firsts are basically 2nds)

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Sydney
Give: 11, F1, Hayward, Rowbottom
Get: Curnow

GC
Give: 18
Get: Rowbottom, 54

Carlton
Give: Curnow, 54
Get: 11, 18, F1, Hayward

 

[1990crow]

Neale and curnow is not an either/or situation. They are very different players. They want curnow and Neale.

Especially given Cameron will be 33 just after the start of next season.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[1990crow]

Sydney
Give: 11, F1, Hayward, Rowbottom
Get: Curnow

GC
Give: 18
Get: Rowbottom, 54

Carlton
Give: Curnow, 54
Get: 11, 18, F1, Hayward

Carlton making out like bandits there. No way Sydney give up that much.

 

[carlton_99]

If Carlton were run by competent people who are able to realistically understand their list needs and current profile they would absolutely do that.

But I don’t think they are, so you are probably correct, they likely wouldn’t accept it.

You can keep trying to crap on Carlton for some reason but the club currently has Graham Wright as CEO and Chris Davies as HOF. Not sure what more we can ask for in terms of the football department. Charlie Curnow is the most valuable player in this trade period especially given his contract. No competent list manager would swap a player of his quality for one good young player with potential.

 

[TasSixer]

Sydney
Give: 11, F1, Hayward, Rowbottom
Get: Curnow

GC
Give: 18
Get: Rowbottom, 54

Carlton
Give: Curnow, 54
Get: 11, 18, F1, Hayward

I think the hold up for me and most Swans fans would be having two firsts and two players. either 2 firsts and a player or 1 first and 2 players is what I think we'd be comfortable with.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

I think the hold up for me and most Swans fans would be having two firsts and two players. either 2 firsts and a player or 1 first and 2 players is what I think we'd be comfortable with.

To quote Vossy: "Get comfortable being uncomfortable"

 

[Hinkley29]

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Of course you can.

 

[Hinkley29]

You can keep trying to crap on Carlton for some reason but the club currently has Graham Wright as CEO and Chris Davies as HOF. Not sure what more we can ask for in terms of the football department. Charlie Curnow is the most valuable player in this trade period especially given his contract. No competent list manager would swap a player of his quality for one good young player with potential.

How much are you paying curnow for the next 4 years?

What level of production are you expecting from curnow if he stays at Carlton in a situation he hates and a coach he doesn’t respect?

then ask yourself - is he going to be worth the money that Carlton will be paying him, if he stays at Carlton?

I am not sure curnow’s contract is the great leverage that you think it is.

If wright and Davies are as competent as you say they are, they will be doing this calculation. If they come to the right answer they will likely cut their losses and trade him for fair value.

You don’t need to “win” the trade, you just need to put Carlton in an ether position today than they were in yesterday. The competent footy people understand this.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

First rounder, Logan McDonald? Maybe a touch more.

Looking at Sydney's list it's a bit yucky outside of Heeney, Mills, Warner and Gulden.

Hold up, on one hand you're saying Shannon Neale, Connor O'Sullivan and a first pick from Geelong is the 'take it or leave it' offer; on the other, a first rounder and Logan McDonald just about does it for the Swans? Have I got that right?

 

[carlton_99]

How much are you paying curnow for the next 4 years?

What level of production are you expecting from curnow if he stays at Carlton in a situation he hates and a coach he doesn’t respect?

then ask yourself - is he going to be worth the money that Carlton will be paying him, if he stays at Carlton?

I am not sure curnow’s contract is the great leverage that you think it is.

If wright and Davies are as competent as you say they are, they will be doing this calculation. If they come to the right answer they will likely cut their losses and trade him for fair value.

You don’t need to “win” the trade, you just need to put Carlton in an ether position today than they were in yesterday. The competent footy people understand this.

A 4-year contract is about as much leverage as any club can have in the current day with the movement of players as it is. Not at all concerned about the money especially with the rumours that he was on a front-loaded contract. I am content to have Curnow stay if a suitable deal doesn't arise. Doesn't strike me as the type that would kick up a fuss and sook it up next year. Not getting sucked in by the leaked reports from Robbie D'Orazio who is only trying to put pressure on the club to get a deal done.

I think we have played this whole situation really well so far to ensure if a trade is done it is for maximum value. O'Sullivan alone would be a horrible deal for us for Charlie Curnow. That doesn't mean Geelong should/would offer it themselves - not even sure why they are pursuing Curnow tbh. Regardless, Curnow will only be moved for a significant package and I think one will come before Wednesday.

And the whole "competent footy people would agree with me" stuff that we see with the likes of Sam McClure is not adding anything.