Coach Future of the Club (Bevo; Board; Assistant Coaches; Football Department) - Part 2

[Snarls Barkley]

Also aren't Buckley and Scott ex teammates from the Bears? So there's a long connection there anyway. Also, I think there's an ego at play with Beveridge and the fact that our club just aren't as er um 'creative' as some others.

Nope, just missed each other

Chris Scott was actually one of the draft picks from the Buckley trade

 

[Freshwater]

Chris Grant and Luke Beverage are old teammates

 

[lachy]

Speak to most current players they love Bev. Past players who had some issues not so much, others still love him. Normal coach player relationship

 

[Dogs Rule]

Speak to most current players they love Bev. Past players who had some issues not so much, others still love him. Normal coach player relationship

Pretty much normal boss employer relationship.

You like you're boss, you stick around and don't want to leave, you don't like them and if you don't get the flick, you do whatever you can to get out of there and then you rarely have a good word to say about your former boss.

Beveridge is far from perfect, far from it, but I would be a bit suss if he didn't put some players off side across 10 years and they were all deliriously happy.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Pretty much normal boss employer relationship.

You like you're boss, you stick around and don't want to leave, you don't like them and if you don't get the flick, you do whatever you can to get out of there and then you rarely have a good word to say about your former boss.

Beveridge is far from perfect, far from it, but I would be a bit suss if he didn't put some players off side across 10 years and they were all deliriously happy.

Yes, but the issue isn't necessarily if it does or doesn't happen, but more if it happens more than typical AFL coaches, which doesn't see to be the case at all.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

I know we get a lot of moaning about not having a failed senior assistant coach on our roster. But where the club is truly missing out is in not having a select group of bigfooty experts forming an overarching senior coaching advisory panel. So as to slap the recalcitrance out of Beveridge and his stupidly dictatorial ways.

I of course would head the committee given I know everything about the footballing.

 

[Freshwater]

No one wants a failed senior assistant to help Bevo. But a former senior coach who has plenty of experience, preferably more experience, age and wisdom than Bevo, who doesn’t want or need to be the senior coach anymore. This role would be perfect help for Beverage, even though he’d probably resist it initially, because of his particular personality type. Most other clubs have it or have tried it, including all the successful ones. We are the only club that hasn’t had a former senior coach on the coaching panel and it is to our detriment, especially because of the coach we have. I support keeping Bevo, but he can be better with strong leadership above him. Our highest home and away season finish is 5th after 11 seasons, things won’t miraculously change, things will change when we change.

 

[Martyn_30_]

Speak to most current players they love Bev. Past players who had some issues not so much, others still love him. Normal coach player relationship

I know of a premiership player who wasn't part of the trouble making group who isnt a fan. But i dont know whether you would find that in all playing groups or not, even if the team was successful.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Bevo does have a group of coaches from a range of different sports including Storm, who he meets with regularly, as a mentoring professional group.

 

[bobs head soup]

Bevo does have a group of coaches from a range of different sports including Storm, who he meets with regularly, as a mentoring professional group.

Pretty sure Ange Postecoglou is part of that group (certainly was at one point), so the next chat could be interesting.

 

[yebach]

Pretty sure Ange Postecoglou is part of that group (certainly was at one point), so the next chat could be interesting.

I remember hearing a story about Ange. Someone asked him, does he have a plan B?
His answer was, you do plan A better.

 

[Freshwater]

Bevo does have a group of coaches from a range of different sports including Storm, who he meets with regularly, as a mentoring professional group.

They don’t oversee his work though, that meetup might even reinforce Bevo’s high opinion of himself as the one with all the answers? As I’ve said I back Bevo to be our coach. But he worked best early when he has to work with the players he inherited and the administration that he didn’t know and was answerable to. Some people work better this way, sticking to his primary role and not veering into other areas and to be answerable to a strong chain of command.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

No one wants a failed senior assistant to help Bevo. But a former senior coach who has plenty of experience, preferably more experience, age and wisdom than Bevo, who doesn’t want or need to be the senior coach anymore. This role would be perfect help for Beverage, even though he’d probably resist it initially, because of his particular personality type. Most other clubs have it or have tried it, including all the successful ones. We are the only club that hasn’t had a former senior coach on the coaching panel and it is to our detriment, especially because of the coach we have. I support keeping Bevo, but he can be better with strong leadership above him. Our highest home and away season finish is 5th after 11 seasons, things won’t miraculously change, things will change when we change.

Do you know how many sides currently have a former senior coaches on their panels?

Because I do as I actually took a look thinking there must be some that I didnt know about. And nope there weren't. I have that number as 5/18. As well as Simon Goodwin as a director of coaching and performance in Sydney And John Worsfold as Head of Football at W.C. There may be others on boards and such like Neil Balme or Leigh Mathews. But there may be others sitting on various boards that I cant be bothered to look up's, but their influence over the coaches day to day activities would be negligible at best. That is until the inevitable day when the senior coach is fired.

Im no maths wiz but 5 former coaches doesn't exactly support your notion of "Most clubs having or tried it." As it stands, It's barely 1/3rd of clubs and you have to add the two non coaching. Ex coaches just to reach that low threshold.

And those that are doing it are not exactly coaching luminaries. Sure they've all had a degree of success, but all fell short. They are Nathan Buckley (next season) Alan Richardson, Brendon Bolton, Brett Ratten and Stewart Dew. The very definition of failed senior coaches. None of these guys bring anything in terms of experience or wisdom that holds a candle to what Beveridge has achieved given none have a premiership to their resume.

And Im not sure who you'd suggest would. Most of the guys that fit your criteria are well past their best and are a long time out of the game. Something that hasn't helped the one person who ticks all of your boxes in Alister Clarkson as the super coach continues to flounder at Norf. Indeed the clock is starting to tick loudly on his career. John Longmire is probably the next best, but if he chooses he'll return to coaching at the head of his own team. He doesn't strike me as anybodies second banana.

Its ludicrous to think that Nathan Buckley is going to override anything that Chris Scott ever has to say within the 4 walls of Geelong. Buckley is going to Geelong to learn from Scott in preparation for his next senior gig after clearly coming up short in the Melbourne process. Not the other way around.

If you want to argue that Beveridge is not a good or the coach for us, Then have at it. He gives people plenty of ammunition, like as you've correctly noted our historically poor end of season ladder positions. Or the ease in which our midfield gets picked apart thus exposing our shaking back half. But to come at the discussion from such a flawed angle lacking in facts like the senior assistants. Not to mention your amateurs perspective speaking to his personality type or leadership credentials given at best you've only likely had fleeting contact with. And in all probability have never spoken to him. Just undermines your entire argument.

As an aside. Having now taken the time to look through each teams coaching roster. And going only by name recognition, given I have no idea about their coaching abilities. Then I really dont think that we lack for anything not having the likes of Worsfold or Goodwin overseeing our football operations.

 

[Freshwater]

Do you know how many sides currently have a former senior coaches on their panels?

Because I do as I actually took a look thinking there must be some that I didnt know about. And nope there weren't. I have that number as 5/18. As well as Simon Goodwin as a director of coaching and performance in Sydney And John Worsfold as Head of Football at W.C. There may be others on boards and such like Neil Balme or Leigh Mathews. But there may be others sitting on various boards that I cant be bothered to look up's, but their influence over the coaches day to day activities would be negligible at best. That is until the inevitable day when the senior coach is fired.

Im no maths wiz but 5 former coaches doesn't exactly support your notion of "Most clubs having or tried it." As it stands, It's barely 1/3rd of clubs and you have to add the two non coaching. Ex coaches just to reach that low threshold.

And those that are doing it are not exactly coaching luminaries. Sure they've all had a degree of success, but all fell short. They are Nathan Buckley (next season) Alan Richardson, Brendon Bolton, Brett Ratten and Stewart Dew. The very definition of failed senior coaches. None of these guys bring anything in terms of experience or wisdom that holds a candle to what Beveridge has achieved given none have a premiership to their resume.

And Im not sure who you'd suggest would. Most of the guys that fit your criteria are well past their best and are a long time out of the game. Something that hasn't helped the one person who ticks all of your boxes in Alister Clarkson as the super coach continues to flounder at Norf. Indeed the clock is starting to tick loudly on his career. John Longmire is probably the next best, but if he chooses he'll return to coaching at the head of his own team. He doesn't strike me as anybodies second banana.

Its ludicrous to think that Nathan Buckley is going to override anything that Chris Scott ever has to say within the 4 walls of Geelong. Buckley is going to Geelong to learn from Scott in preparation for his next senior gig after clearly coming up short in the Melbourne process. Not the other way around.

If you want to argue that Beveridge is not a good or the coach for us, Then have at it. He gives people plenty of ammunition, like as you've correctly noted our historically poor end of season ladder positions. Or the ease in which our midfield gets picked apart thus exposing our shaking back half. But to come at the discussion from such a flawed angle lacking in facts like the senior assistants. Not to mention your amateurs perspective speaking to his personality type or leadership credentials given at best you've only likely had fleeting contact with. And in all probability have never spoken to him. Just undermines your entire argument.

As an aside. Having now taken the time to look through each teams coaching roster. And going only by name recognition, given I have no idea about their coaching abilities. Then I really dont think that we lack for anything not having the likes of Worsfold or Goodwin overseeing our football operations.

Geelong has a couple, Brisbane, Collingwood and Hawthorn all have former coaches, they’re all going alright I reckon. Melbourne had Roos, McCartney, Richardson and Williams when they won their flag, 4! We missed a trick not getting Buckley. We are either too slow, too timid?

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Geelong has a couple, Brisbane, Collingwood and Hawthorn all have former coaches, they’re all going alright I reckon. Melbourne had Roos, McCartney, Richardson and Williams when they won their flag, 4! We missed a trick not getting Buckley. We are either too slow, too timid?

If you think we missed a trick by not signing a coach who is only wanting to re-enter the industry to ensure he's a chance at the Tasmania gig and continuing to coach around media commitments and left his last coaching job in part because he oversaw a racist culture (that we also now know to be homophobic), I'm not really sure what to say.

 

[Freshwater]

If you think we missed a trick by not signing a coach who is only wanting to re-enter the industry to ensure he's a chance at the Tasmania gig and continuing to coach around media commitments and left his last coaching job in part because he oversaw a racist culture (that we also now know to be homophobic), I'm not really sure what to say.

That is just a ridiculous accusation to make of a good man. Guilty by association is not actually guilty at all. On both those dreadful accusations you are wrong, Nathan would have his shortcomings, he’s human after all, just like our coach, but putting good people together can achieve greatness.

 

[VitalDread]

Mitch Hannan returning to the club in a welfare role to support [PLAYERCARD]Brent Prismall[/PLAYERCARD]

 

[threenewpadlocks]

That is just a ridiculous accusation to make of a good man. Guilty by association is not actually guilty at all. On both those dreadful accusations you are wrong, Nathan would have his shortcomings, he’s human after all, just like our coach, but putting good people together can achieve greatness.

Are you related to Nathan Buckley?

WTF are you on about? This was all hashed out in the media years ago around the time of the 'Do Better' report and how Lumumba had recordings of Buckely throwing him under the bus to protect McGuire etc.

These things happened. I'm not making Buckley out to be some sort of person being guilty of bigotry or whatever, just that as a senior coach of a playing group, he wasn't a very good coach if he allowed others to fester it in the changing room.

You yourself state he has shortcomings, but surely they're strong enough (and presumably part of the reason Melbourne overlooked him as part of a cultural shift moving on Oliver, May etc.) that maybe he just isn't that good of a coach, beyond winning games, but actually contributing to a club culture I want to be a member of?

 

[Sentinel]

Buckely was obviously coach when Mitch Brown came out and spoke about his experiences in the club.

Are you confusing Mitch Brown (WCE) and his twin brother Nathan Brown (COLL) here?

I believe the only public reference to potential homophobia and Nathan Buckley has been Lumumba mentioning that he and Collingwood players would call Paul Seedsman 'Lez' as a nickname.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Are you confusing Mitch Brown (WCE) and his twin brother Nathan Brown (COLL) here?

I believe the only public reference to potential homophobia and Nathan Buckley has been Lumumba mentioning that he and Collingwood players would call Paul Seedsman 'Lez' as a nickname.

Apologies, I am. Had in my head that he had played for Collingwood.

I think my point about his role in the racism things matter though

 

[Freshwater]

Are you related to Nathan Buckley?

WTF are you on about? This was all hashed out in the media years ago around the time of the 'Do Better' report and how Lumumba had recordings of Buckely throwing him under the bus to protect McGuire etc.

Buckely was obviously coach when Mitch Brown came out and spoke about his experiences in the club.

These things happened. I'm not making Buckley out to be some sort of person being guilty of bigotry or whatever, just that as a senior coach of a playing group, he wasn't a very good coach if he allowed others to fester it in the changing room.

You yourself state he has shortcomings, but surely they're strong enough (and presumably part of the reason Melbourne overlooked him as part of a cultural shift moving on Oliver, May etc.) that maybe he just isn't that good of a coach, beyond winning games, but actually contributing to a club culture I want to be a member of?

You’re just doubling down on some pretty pathetic accusations. There is no way Gerard Whately would have him on his radio program or Fox Footy or Geelong would hire him as an assistant coach or Tasmanian will hire him as their head coach soon if he was a racist and a homophobe. These words stick even when not true and that’s pretty poor really.

 

[Mutt]

Some 'courageous' posting happening today. Remember you are personally liable for what you post on this public forum. Be careful you don't end up with a legal problem over what you have written.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

You’re just doubling down on some pretty pathetic accusations. There is no way Gerard Whately would have him on his radio program or Fox Footy or Geelong would hire him as an assistant coach or Tasmanian will hire him as their head coach soon if he was a racist and a homophobe. These words stick even when not true and that’s pretty poor really.

I never made those accusations of him though man

I'm merely restating that Collingwood published a report about the time he was coach, and that Lumumba and the likes have said things in the media. I'm not characterising him in any way other than what's already been said by others

 

[yebach]

I wonder if Bevo will evolve or become "sophisticated" enough or heed Einstein's words and come up with a different game plan for next year?
Wonder what everybody else thinks?

 

[Randomthoughts]

I wonder if Bevo will evolve or become "sophisticated" enough or heed Einstein's words and come up with a different game plan for next year?
Wonder what everybody else thinks?

At the risk of getting sued I would say that Bevo has a firm view of the game and how it should be played and therefore has changed very little over the last bunch of years. So I am not predicting a lot of change next year. I suspect he try and protect his below average backline by “pressing up” the whole team and try to win games by outscoring opposition just like he has for years and why we see the most awful turnover goals year after year and find it difficult to beat the top 8 teams.