Rumour Speculation, Rumours, Lies Thread 2025 - Part 2

[sr36]

The recent AFL executives have been more interested in the gravy train & their bonuses than the good of the competition.

There has been a lack of quality football people in AFL house.

A lot they do shit me too, but you can't really argue with results - the "lack of quality people in AFL house" has overseen a massive boom in the competition.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

A lot they do shit me too, but you can't really argue with results - the "lack of quality people in AFL house" has overseen a massive boom in the competition.

You really think it would be hard for the AFL to make a profit?

The lack of quality football people until recently has been telling, particularly the rule changes & umpiring. We had 2 poor lawyers with no feel for the game & ordinary administrators.

At least with the additions of Swann & Harley recently i feel more confident of the future direction.

 

[sr36]

You really think it would be hard for the AFL to make a profit?

The lack of quality football people until recently has been telling, particularly the rule changes & umpiring. We had 2 poor lawyers with no feel for the game & ordinary administrators.

At least with the additions of Swann & Harley recently i feel more confident of the future direction

I'm not talking about money - the game is booming under any measure. The Americanised hooplah around the current game shits me, but I'm 50 - I'm neither the future nor the target market. Whatever the faults in the admin, they've overseen massive growth in popularity of the game and it's hard to find measures which suggest that they've damaged it at all - other than the vibe of some of us older fans who don't like particular changes.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'm not talking about money - the game is booming under any measure. The Americanised hooplah around the current game shits me, but I'm 50 - I'm neither the future nor the target market.

Personally i watch less games than ever... & I'm not alone. Imo the game is less watchable & that is on the AFL. Umpiring has never been worse & some games are boring.

 

[Mostyn]

Personally i watch less games than ever... & I'm not alone. Imo the game is less watchable & that is on the AFL. Umpiring has never been worse & some games are boring.

I think his point is a good one.

Every measure seems to show that the game is very healthy. Umpiring has always been complained about. There's obviously a lot going right.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I think his point is a good one.

Every measure seems to show that the game is very healthy. Umpiring has always been complained about. There's obviously a lot going right.

So you rate the AFL leadership.

Well I don't!

Current CEO & his previous deputy have been the worse combination of the AFL era.

Neither lawyer has a good understanding of football.

4 umpires has been a disaster.

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

I’m not hero worshipping her at all. I’m just calling you out on your misogynistic bullshit. She wasn’t a DEI hire, she was well qualified for the role she was hired for.

Someone can be qualified and a DEI hire too. It's stated on the afl website the afl has a DEI policy for employment.

 

[Scorpus]

I’m not hero worshipping her at all. I’m just calling you out on your misogynistic bullshit. She wasn’t a DEI hire, she was well qualified for the role she was hired for.

If this is in reference to Laura Kane she absolutely did not have enough qualifications and experience for the position she got at the AFL

 

[steve9798]

Please let's not try any fancy footwork for Jevan Phillipou. I want players to have strong self-confidence but his arrogance is next level. Hope he goes to St Kilda with his brother and they can continue the culture rot at that club.

Spoke to one of his junior coaches during the week. Extremely arrogant kid. His old man is also quite toxic.

 

[jenny61_99]

If this is in reference to Laura Kane she absolutely did not have enough qualifications and experience for the position she got at the AFL

Oh, so tell me what qualifications were required for the job?

 

[Scorpus]

Oh, so tell me what qualifications were required for the job?

Well she was appointed to the highest executive role of football in the AFL, and her experience amounted to law school then five years of experience at North Melbourne, plus a management role in the AFL for 2 years

The person replacing her had 25 years of CEO experience, and the person prior was a player and coach across 20+ years. So that's probably the bar for the role.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

Spoke to one of his junior coaches during the week. Extremely arrogant kid. His old man is also quite toxic.

They were from the wrong side of Grange road so Grandfather Peter played for Torrens and could play.
Was a bean counter for the government, always had plenty of tickets apparently.

 

[jenny61_99]

Well she was appointed to the highest executive role of football in the AFL, and her experience amounted to law school then five years of experience at North Melbourne, plus a management role in the AFL for 2 years

The person replacing her had 25 years of CEO experience, and the person prior was a player and coach across 20+ years. So that's probably the bar for the role.

Not to mention all her work at the grass roots with girls and women in footy…,

 

[Scorpus]

Not to mention all her work at the grass roots with girls and women in footy…,

All good things to bolster a role in a lower level admin position as she works her way up.

Whether or not she was actually a "DEI hire" I don't know, but she was underqualified for a high level executive role, performed poorly in the job and was demoted.

It's not a woman thing either. Anyone with just five years of experience at North Melbourne shouldn't be considered for the football executive role at the AFL

 

[jenny61_99]

Not to mention all her work at the grass roots with girls and women in footy…,

I’ll help you…joining the VAFA’s Melbourne Uni women’s team as a 12-year-old after playing Auskick until she was no longer allowed to with no Youth Girls footy existing back then, Laura spent three years training every week but was not allowed to play. She ultimately rose through the ranks from player to coach to President at Melbourne University, before becoming a practising solicitor for a couple of years, representing victims of child sexual abuse in the royal commission against churches and institutions. She then joined North Melbourne where she fought to build pathways for girls and women within the sport.

So while she might not have taken the traditional male route, and with the limited opportunities for women in the sport, I’d say she paid significant dues in her service to footy (particularly for women and girls).

 

[cleanhands]

I’ll help you…joining the VAFA’s Melbourne Uni women’s team as a 12-year-old after playing Auskick until she was no longer allowed to with no Youth Girls footy existing back then, Laura spent three years training every week but was not allowed to play. She ultimately rose through the ranks from player to coach to President at Melbourne University, before becoming a practising solicitor for a couple of years, representing victims of child sexual abuse in the royal commission against churches and institutions. She then joined North Melbourne where she fought to build pathways for girls and women within the sport.

So while she might not have taken the traditional male route, and with the limited opportunities for women in the sport, I’d say she paid significant dues in her service to footy (particularly for women and girls).

Was she any good at any of them?

 

[1970crow]

I’ll help you…joining the VAFA’s Melbourne Uni women’s team as a 12-year-old after playing Auskick until she was no longer allowed to with no Youth Girls footy existing back then, Laura spent three years training every week but was not allowed to play. She ultimately rose through the ranks from player to coach to President at Melbourne University, before becoming a practising solicitor for a couple of years, representing victims of child sexual abuse in the royal commission against churches and institutions. She then joined North Melbourne where she fought to build pathways for girls and women within the sport.

So while she might not have taken the traditional male route, and with the limited opportunities for women in the sport, I’d say she paid significant dues in her service to footy (particularly for women and girls).

Oh god, let me guess, you’ve met Laura and like everyone you’ve met, they’re all brilliant. Even when she was demoted, it wasn’t her fault.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Was she any good at any of them?

Imo, Laura Kane was clearly out of her depth & should never have been appointed with her limited experience.

Clearly the AFL have admitted they got it wrong with all the new football department appointments.

This has nothing to do with her gender & all to do with her lack of experience.

 

[cleanhands]

Imo, Laura Kane was clearly out of her depth & should never have been appointed with her limited experience.

Clearly the AFL have admitted they got it wrong with all the new football department appointments.

This has nothing to do with her gender & all to do with her lack of experience.

Perhaps you should reply to Jenny

 

[kirky]

Spoke to one of his junior coaches during the week. Extremely arrogant kid. His old man is also quite toxic.

So he would get on splendidly with Nicks then.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

Imo, Laura Kane was clearly out of her depth & should never have been appointed with her limited experience.

Clearly the AFL have admitted they got it wrong with all the new football department appointments.

This has nothing to do with her gender & all to do with her lack of experience.

Since this has been in place for 6 years who says it wasn’t a gender call ?

 

[Big Dub]

There are 2 key ways that underqualified candidates get key roles.

The second, is DEI.

The first is the old school "guy from my school/ church/ social network/ football club".

The AFL nails the first just about every single time.

Ironically, DEI quotas are what forces organisations to go out and make sure that the DEI hires are actually at least as good as the non-old school candidates. Because it hurts so much if they don't.

Kane was rubbish, but no more rubbish than a lot that came before her. At least she's potentially a stepping stone to a better future.

 

[MarcusP2]

Since this has been in place for 6 years who says it wasn’t a gender call ?

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It depends what the plan actually was.

I've done some hiring (not much) for a company that is still highly focused on becoming more gender-balanced. Generally what happened is HR added a few additional resumes into the mix, I never felt pressure or forced to prefer a different candidate (usually because at least half the time the better candidate was 'diverse'.

The way they acted on in at a leadership level was to split up large teams (30+) that were hard to manage and create more leadership positions, and promote internally into these. High performers in lower positions were identified and this is where a more positive effort was made to find diverse candidates. Then the idea was that these positions would make their way up the ranks over time.

Where people (whoever they were) weren't up to it they were moved on or out.

 

[jenny61_99]

Oh god, let me guess, you’ve met Laura and like everyone you’ve met, they’re all brilliant. Even when she was demoted, it wasn’t her fault.

Never Met her. I dare say neither have you. But you sure do mouth off about her. I think she’s made fundamental mistakes in her new gig, but no more than the incompetent men in AFL house….

 

[jenny61_99]

Since this has been in place for 6 years who says it wasn’t a gender call ?

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This does not mean the people they hire are not qualified. It generally means that when both candidates are the same qualifications, they’ll pick the female. People (men) seem to believe women just get these jobs just because they are women. Can’t possibly have gotten them on merit…. If Laura Kane got a job she wasn't qualified for, blame the fellas who hired her. Based on their previous performance at AFL house, id say they were sorely out of their depth in the first place.