Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[Present Not Past]

Alex Jones (man who has had a line the President) and co saying the yanks should invade us to 'liberate us'

Give him enough rope.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

The strange thing is that it seems like they're calling for implementation of the anti-semitism envoy's recommendations to make it illegal to criticise religions.

It's also going to be interesting when Sussan Ley hides from gun control (because her constituents and supporters are all gun nuts) when she said she would support all action.

I couldn't bring myself to vote for Ley, but your post is misinformed and exaggerating, and does nothing to help division or discourse with this use of language.

 

[faible]

I love “what semantics?” followed by a Jordan Petersonesque exploration of the meaning of words like anyone who’s been paying attention can’t tell the difference between a conservative and a progressive stance on the Middle East and Islam.

I’m not conflating anything.

You claimed these shooters were 'left-wing' and provided 'Islam' and 'anti-Israel' as arguments.

I don't know why you decided it was necessary to do the above, but it's pretty reasonable for someone on a discussion forum to discuss why your claims might be inaccurate.

It's not semantics, it's pretty fundamental stuff.

 

[CarnTheScray]

They want to be safe from attack, which comes from all sides. Seven fronts. What would you do?

They are backed by the most powerful military in human history and their own military is more technologically advanced than every other military in the region.

Anyway, a discussion for the appropriate thread.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

ASIO examined Bondi Beach gunman in 2019 for ties to Islamic State cell

Australia's domestic intelligence agency, ASIO, examined one of the Bondi Beach gunmen six years ago for his close ties to a Sydney-based Islamic State terrorism cell, the ABC understands.

www.abc.net.au

The head of ASIO certainly didn't offer that up in the press conference.

interesting

 

[CarnTheScray]

Good, but you also gotta lol a little at how reactive our politicians are

Most proactive politicians are voted out/couped.

 

[Gough]

I couldn't bring myself to vote for Ley, but your post is misinformed and exaggerating, and does nothing to help division or discourse with this use of language.

As much as this is a massive test for the Albanese government equally bringing parts of her party on board with more gun control will be a pretty big ask of her.

 

[ElectricG]

You claimed these shooters were 'left-wing' and provided 'Islam' and 'anti-Israel' as arguments.

I don't know why you decided it was necessary to do the above, but it's pretty reasonable for someone on a discussion forum to discuss why your claims might be inaccurate.

It's not semantics, it's pretty fundamental stuff.

This whole thing came up because another poster referred to this event as part of a trend of right with extremism (or something to that effect). I was just offering up the correction that if we explored the views of the shooters they would have more in common with western progressives.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

They are backed by the most powerful military in human history and their own military is more technologically advanced than every other military in the region.

Anyway, a discussion for the appropriate thread.

They have to be, otherwise they would be wiped out. Again, what would you do?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

They have to be, otherwise they would be wiped out. Again, what would you do?

Withdrawing from the illegal occupation to the UN mandated borders, for starters. Then look at reparations for the apartheid ethnic cleansing and genocide.

 

[SparklingAle69]

Anyone who needs to have multiple guns is exactly the person who should be banned from having any guns.

You couldn't make an exception for station owners? I know a couple and are an absolute necessity.

 

[faible]

This whole thing came up because another poster referred to this event as part of a trend of right with extremism (or something to that effect). I was just offering up the correction that if we explored the views of the shooters they would have more in common with western progressives.

You're trying to argue that shooters who are highly likely religious extremists are 'left-wing' which is pretty deeply inaccurate.

For someone posting quite a lot, you're apparently not particularly well informed on the topic.

See, it's really not semantics. This is pretty basic stuff.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

As much as this is a massive test for the Albanese government equally bringing parts of her party on board with more gun control will be a pretty big ask of her.

It will depend on the details of the proposed legislation, but id imagine it will be a hard graft for her.

 

[faible]

They have to be, otherwise they would be wiped out. Again, what would you do?

They have to commit mass murder, starvation, and genocide?

Methinks you're lying.

 

[The Terrible Thinker]

Is One Nation the opposition yet?

They will be soon as the Liberals offer nothing in that role.

 

[PenskeFile]

Albo saying that he'll be tightening gun laws.

Surprise, surprise.
Govern me harder Daddy

 

[Bloods86]

They have to be, otherwise they would be wiped out. Again, what would you do?

Personally I'd focus on defensive measures and not being an unhinged a-hole, instead of being expansionist and escalating conflicts.

 

[ElectricG]

See, it's really not semantics. This is pretty basic stuff.

You’re in denial.

 

[faible]

You’re in denial.

You're making the claim that what are highly likely religious extremists are closely aligned to 'western progressives' and hold 'left-wing' views. You've done so repeatedly now so it's not as though anyone has misinterpreted you.

 

[ElectricG]

You're making the claim that what are highly likely religious extremists are closely aligned to 'western progressives' and hold 'left-wing' views. You've done so repeatedly now so it's not as though anyone has misinterpreted you.

It’s like someone trying to say that guy who shot up a mosque in Christchurch wasn’t a right winger

 

[faible]

It’s like someone trying to say that guy who shot up a mosque in Christchurch wasn’t a right winger

It is a bit like trying to say that, yet you keep trying to do so.

 

[TasSixer]

Israel have some blame in this, what they've done in Gaza has contributed to the hatred Jewish people have gotten. These people in Sydney that were attacked have nothing to with what Israel have done and their only tie to it is they're religion/ethnicity and these evil people that did this yesterday are so radicalized in their beliefs they're too stupid to realize this. Religion is a stain on society and I hate the term Islamaphobia. Phobia is an irrational fear. Is it irrational to have a fear of dying? There are average people in all religions that aren't extremists and I'm not afraid of people in general. I'm afraid of how far some take their beliefs as if any of the bullshit books are true.

I'll probably get some hate for this.

 

[HairyO]

You couldn't make an exception for station owners? I know a couple and are an absolute necessity.

I did say farmers and others in regional areas need exceptions. But even then the types should be heavily controlled.

Id love to see the legit reasons people in cities have for wanting guns.

 

[ElectricG]

It is a bit like trying to say that, yet you keep trying to do so.

No it’s you trying to say that Islamic terrorists aren’t left wing.

“Oh but we don’t know if Brenton Tarrant supported smaller government!”

Again, I didn’t bring this up, I’m just putting forward the correction.

 

[faible]

No it’s you trying to say that Islamic terrorists aren’t left wing.

“Oh but we don’t know if Brenton Tarrant supported smaller government!”

Again, I didn’t bring this up, I’m just putting forward the correction.

So once more, you're claiming religious extremists are 'left-wing'.

For someone posting quite a lot, you're apparently not particularly well informed on the topic.