Test The Ashes Third Test December 17-21 1000hrs @ The Adelaide Oval

[rank and file]

That's not what I heard. He said he would have reviewed it.

Funny in the comms box
"That's Out"

 

[Linda Lovelace]

Just imagine the outrage on here if that snicko incident happened in India for India

There's little point in critically discussing decisions that favour Australia on this circle jerk of a board.

But effectively some random guy made a call for the 3rd umpire by presenting him with false evidence (in error). There does need to be some serious discussion about the implications of an incident like this. It can't just be 'whoopsie'.

We haven't simply taken decisions out of the hands of umpires for 'objective' technology, but we've put it in the hands of people who operate that technology. And there doesn't seem to be much discussion about the types of protocols they put in place for these people.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Cameron Green is the disappointment that keeps on disappointing.

Yep, I'm running out of patience with Green. Unless he comes good in the 2nd innings and makes a score to put Australia in a winning position, he really needs to make way for Webster. Green's bowling is butt average as well. At 26, plenty of time to push his way back into the team with some good performances.

Since his 174 against New Zealand, his most recent 14 innings have totaled 321 runs @ just under 23.

 

[sabso]

Umpires call was not out, so the third umpire needed overwhelming evidence to overturn the decision. If the vision doesn’t clearly show he hit it and the inferior Snicko (tm) technology doesn’t show he hit it then the third ump should give it not out. That is unless there is a secret ARC camera angle that conclusively shows he hit it, in which case they should release the footage.

Its not the worst umpiring decision I’ve ever seen.

 

[rank and file]

Didn’t it pass the bat ?

Ump lost concentration,distracted by constant Barmy Army tunes.
A split second is all it takes in the Ashes.

Will be good areas for GOAT Friday arvo.

 

[Linda Lovelace]

That's not what I heard. He said he would have reviewed it.

Selective and very misleading.

He said 'I think I would have reviewed it, probably not confidently though as it was a nice sound as it passed the bat'.

Then when the follow up question was 'why do you think you got away with it', he didn't object to that phrasing and said 'snicko didn't line up, it's just the way cricket goes sometimes. You have a bit of luck and maybe it went my way today'.

This is already stating 'I thought there was a bit of a feather' in his first direct response to the question of whether he hit it.

It would be fair to say that does not constitute an outright admission though if we want to play dumb. Extremely dumb.

 

[Linda Lovelace]

Umpires call was not out, so the third umpire needed overwhelming evidence to overturn the decision. If the vision doesn’t clearly show he hit it and the inferior Snicko (tm) technology doesn’t show he hit it then the third ump should give it not out. That is unless there is a secret ARC camera angle that conclusively shows he hit it, in which case they should release the footage.

Its not the worst umpiring decision I’ve ever seen.

Well, you can't have overwhelming evidence when you are supplied false evidence, clearly.

The on-field umpire screwed up and then the snicko operator screwed up. The 3rd umpire was not in a position to overrule it under those circumstances.

However the 3rd umpire was still perhaps the biggest clown of all in declaring a 'clear gap', when we know that was objectively not true as Carey has (all but) admitted to hitting it. And he didn't seem to be even concerned for a second why the snicko looked off.

Still 3 people in a 3-person chain who screwed something up, which is not ideal.

 

[rank and file]

Selective and very misleading.

He said 'I think I would have reviewed it, probably not confidently though as it was a nice sound as it passed the bat'.

Then when the follow up question was 'why do you think you got away with it', he didn't object to that phrasing and said 'snicko didn't line up, it's just the way cricket goes sometimes. You have a bit of luck and maybe it went my way today'.

This is already stating 'I thought there was a bit of a feather' in his first direct response to the question of whether he hit it.

It would be fair to say that does not constitute an outright admission though if we want to play dumb. Extremely dumb.

Bit of a feather lol
As if the English need more reasons to hate Carey

Ashes legend

 

[compact72]

Bunch of sooks. They had a chance but kept dropping their catches.

Perhaps they should just worry about Bazball, and the extra runs that Carey made will be SFA

Just an excuse to use the "moral victory"

 

[Tigerat2020]

If it was Gilchrist he would have walked and the test would still have integrity.

 

[Tugga27]

That's not what I heard. He said he would have reviewed it.

He said he hit it.
Was never going to come out and say he smashed it.

Said he would've reviewed it with no confidence.

Can't blame the 3rd umpire.
We would be filthy if it happened to us.

I'm not though

 

[Tugga27]

There's little point in critically discussing decisions that favour Australia on this circle jerk of a board.

But effectively some random guy made a call for the 3rd umpire by presenting him with false evidence (in error). There does need to be some serious discussion about the implications of an incident like this. It can't just be 'whoopsie'.

We haven't simply taken decisions out of the hands of umpires for 'objective' technology, but we've put it in the hands of people who operate that technology. And there doesn't seem to be much discussion about the types of protocols they put in place for these people.

I agree with all of that.

Having said that, it was again a poor decision by the umpire to be given not out in the first instance though.

 

[Tugga27]

Yep, I'm running out of patience with Green. Unless he comes good in the 2nd innings and makes a score to put Australia in a winning position, he really needs to make way for Webster. Green's bowling is butt average as well. At 26, plenty of time to push his way back into the team with some good performances.

Since his 174 against New Zealand, his most recent 14 innings have totaled 321 runs @ just under 23.

Yep

He could really do with being dropped to work on his game.

 

[Tugga27]

Umpires call was not out, so the third umpire needed overwhelming evidence to overturn the decision. If the vision doesn’t clearly show he hit it and the inferior Snicko (tm) technology doesn’t show he hit it then the third ump should give it not out. That is unless there is a secret ARC camera angle that conclusively shows he hit it, in which case they should release the footage.

Its not the worst umpiring decision I’ve ever seen.

I don't think anyone is blaming the 3rd umpire.
Based on what he was provided, it was the correct call.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

This is where the point about aligned audio and video comes in.

If we can’t align them, when why do we accept that close enough is good enough? To justify using the technology?
If you can’t trust it, then don’t use it. It’s why it’s called technology, not closeology or guessology.

Just my opinion.

Speed of sound is the issue. Relatively slow, so the camera and the mike can be aligned but the sound and the frame may still not line up. Spike comes before frame - unlikely to be bat.

 

[WeightOfTheWorld]

Having runs on the board is a huge plus. Aussie pride to reign supreme again.

 

[Peter Bixley]

Having runs on the board is a huge plus. Aussie pride to reign supreme again.

Adelaide test current betting odds:

Aus: 1.44
Eng: 3.50
Draw: 13.00

The bookmakers would agree with you.

 

[sabso]

Well, you can't have overwhelming evidence when you are supplied false evidence, clearly.

The on-field umpire screwed up and then the snicko operator screwed up. The 3rd umpire was not in a position to overrule it under those circumstances.

However the 3rd umpire was still perhaps the biggest clown of all in declaring a 'clear gap', when we know that was objectively not true as Carey has (all but) admitted to hitting it. And he didn't seem to be even concerned for a second why the snicko looked off.

Still 3 people in a 3-person chain who screwed something up, which is not ideal.

Gaffaney might need reminding how many stars are on his flag lol.

 

[rank and file]

Speed of sound is the issue. Relatively slow, so the camera and the mike can be aligned but the sound and the frame may still not line up. Spike comes before frame - unlikely to be bat.

When in doubt watch the keeper and slips.
Noise hit's the keeper first,umps slower to react and tech back up could be suss.

 

[sabso]

When in doubt watch the keeper and slips.

Advice for John Terry there

 

[DaRick]

Not really sure how I feel about this.

8/326 is definitely a good recovery from 4/94 (well done Alex Carey), BUT the lower bounce definitely suits ENG more.

Moreover, our lower order looking comfortable is a bit worrying, and many of our top order threw their wickets away. Plus Adelaide Oval has shorter boundaries, which is worrying because that plays into BazBall's hands and there's no Smith to help Cummins out tactically (good on Khawaja for taking his last shot at redemption, though). I'd certainly feel more comfortable if we were 5/326 or even 6/326.

BUT...I can't help but think that the many soft dismissals resulted from the ball stopping on the pitch slightly. IF that's the case, then this pitch may not be quite as good for batting as many think, especially given that ENG's fielding & bowling (Archer maybe excepted) was not exactly of the highest class.

 

[Osho]

From the Guardian:
"With Carey later admitting he thought he had hit the ball – the wicketkeeper said he would have reviewed in hope had it been given out on the field – BBG, the company that owns Snicko, owned up to the mistake, which came with Australia 245 for six.

In a statement to BBC Sport, BBG said: “The only conclusion that can be drawn from this, is that the Snicko operator at the time must have selected the incorrect stump mic for audio processing. In light of this, BBG Sports takes full responsibility for the error.”

The technology uses audio from the stump microphones and Either way, England were unhappy, with the bowling coach, David Saker, indicating a complaint to the match referee, Jeff Crowe, may follow.""

 

[Jack Lord]

BUT...I can't help but think that the many soft dismissals resulted from the ball stopping on the pitch slightly. IF that's the case, then this pitch may not be quite as good for batting as many think, especially given that ENG's fielding & bowling (Archer maybe excepted) was not exactly of the highest class.

Agree with your point about the ball getting caught in the pitch. It’s important that we bowl straight today and get the poms driving. That’s our best chance at getting catches in front of the wickets.

Wayward bowling will bring the short square boundaries into play as well. We need control, patience, and some smartly set fields.

Lyon will have a huge part to play in this test. The English will definitely try to target him. He needs to get his line right. I’ve been worried about his form dropping off in the last year or so. Hopefully, he can do a Kawaja and prove me wrong.

The perfect scenario for us today is that we keep those English scoundrels out in the sun for as much of the first session as we can. Would love to see Starc play the kind of innings he did in Brisbane. Their bowlers will steam in with the new ball early but they are low on stamina. Nothing frustrates like low order runs and it’s a chance to change the momentum.

The English have a good opportunity to build a score but you just know they’re gonna make some stupid Baz ball inspired mistakes as the game wears on. Our batsman played some dumb cricket. But the poms are world champions at it. Let’s hope they show us how it’s done today.

In the last two tests, I thought England were ahead after day one. We won both tests easily. Let’s see what happens in the next couple of days.

If we can knock them over with a lead (or without them having too much of a first innings lead) we should be able to bat them out of the game. Lyon will have a big roll to playin the fourth innings.

 

[sabso]

Not really sure how I feel about this.

8/326 is definitely a good recovery from 4/94 (well done Alex Carey), and the lower bounce definitely suits ENG more.

Moreover, our lower order looking comfortable is a bit worrying, and many of our top order threw their wickets away. Plus Adelaide Oval has shorter boundaries, which is worrying because that plays into BazBall's hands and there's no Smith to help Cummins out tactically (good on Khawaja for taking his last shot at redemption, though). I'd certainly feel more comfortable if we were 5/326 or even 6/326.

BUT...I can't help but think that the many soft dismissals resulted from the ball stopping on the pitch slightly. IF that's the case, then this pitch may not be quite as good for batting as many think, especially given that ENG's fielding & bowling (Archer maybe excepted) was not exactly of the highest class.

Starc is in, one of your best bats. Lyon has held his own even on one leg, you’ll be grand.

 

[AJ_2000]

I heard a stat the other day that day around average runs per wicket at Australian test veunes over the past 10 years. The lowest was Bellerive Oval at 18 runs per wicket, 2nd lowest was Adelaide day tests at 20. Day night tests were higher (28 from memory). Gone are the days of the old school Adelaide belter, these runs are reasonably valuable