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True. I love a correct correction more than I should.
Best player you've ever seen?
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Also I think we all need to collectively stop saying Carey was the best player ever, even if it may be true. We all need to start (as a whole) saying he was perhaps a top 50 player but nothing more, simply because I don't think Wayne Carey's ego would be able to take it if we all started saying he was not that great.
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08 Buddy.
Some players have been better over their careers but I don't think I've ever seen a player who was just so much better than the next best player on the field.
My left field selection is [PLAYERCARD]Justin Westhoff[/PLAYERCARD]. Some of his BEST games were unbelievable. Harlem Globetrotter stuff.
Some players have been better over their careers but I don't think I've ever seen a player who was just so much better than the next best player on the field.
My left field selection is [PLAYERCARD]Justin Westhoff[/PLAYERCARD]. Some of his BEST games were unbelievable. Harlem Globetrotter stuff.
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Haha, I agree with the assessment of Lethal, but wasn’t sure he’d gone that far
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Matthew Lloyd was so far ahead of any other fwd in the comp in his glory days
99 - 2004ish he was simply dominant
Chip Scab1
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He was the best from 2000; 1999 there was someone else who may have just pipped him.
Yes he had one decent arm and OP, but he went ok in 1999.
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he was a 3rd year fwd in 1999 so we'll give him a break.
2000 (109) he was 33 goals ahead of Jeff Farmer
2001 (105) he was 46 goals ahead of Richo
2002 he was injured for some parts
2003 (93) he was 15 goals ahead of Alistair Lynch
2004 (96) he finished second to Fraser Gehrig (109)
the decline happened after that, he was the most dominant fwd in the competition over that 4 year stretch. Not even Buddy in his hey days (2008 - 113 goals, Fev 99) was as dominant kicking it through the big sticks.
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My favourite Don in history. A good egg both on and off the field... so good, I'm not sure you deserved him.
Will never forget him at one end and Duck at the other kicking what 19 between them.
Football of the highest standard we're ever likely to see.
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Somewhere Justin Westhoff has cracked a stiffy and he has no idea why
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Fair enough, 15 goals kicked at 1/4 time.
It's more than some games these days.
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Unreal
Lethal whacked Bruns off the ball in 1985, yep broke his jaw (some might say stopped him yapping) in a violent display. Now I suggest just for some context you go and have a look at just a few moments of the careers of Banks v Rhys-Jones, Brereton and anything Essendon, Carl Ditterich and anything that got close enough....Magro/Jesaulenko, Ron Andrews and anything Hawthorn, Stewie Gull, Ray Biffen, Malthouse v John Nicholls, Neil Balme and Carlton....
Your claim that Matthews was the only one where there were genuine calls for him to be arrested are way too late....
in 1972, John Greening was kinghit by Jimmy O'Dea at Moorabbin in a sickly incident where the VFL's young wunderkind was left in a coma and spent months in hospital recovering (he returned to play 2 years later but despite appearing physically able, John never ever regained the skills, speed and timing that had once been so natural to him). Greening was akin to Nick Daicos but with the aerial ability of Isaac Heeney on steroids (he WAS that good) and for his career to be killed off by a thug was outrageous. Moreso because the Saints side that killed him off that day was full of that type of player Cowboy Neale, Carl Ditterich, Mick Malthouse and of course Jimmy O'Dea.
After the game the Saints Coach (Alan Jeans... a Victoria Policeman) was roasted by journalists and Collingwood players and officials about whether or not O'Dea should be charged. His answers whilst vague, pointed to the fact that no official charges would be laid because the incident was not caught on camera. Despite the fact that thousands of us had witnessed the actual event and wanted to give evidence, no investigation was ever attempted by VicPol.
So Lethal and Bruns was "tame" by comparison to many many more such incidents. But like Banksy and Rhys...it was caught on camera and it was punishable.
Matthews was no more a thug than any of the other 100 or so going around in the then VFL. But as a footballer he was supreme. A competitive beast of the highest order with an efficiency rate that only highly skilled athletes can ever achieve.
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It was.
Not only 2 of the best 10 Key Forwards of all time.
But 2 of the best smalls ever in the tragically underrated Winston Abraham and equally underrated Boris Bewick.
Mercuri was awesome that year, Jimmy Tird, Lucas, Longy... they were so far over the cap!!
We must have been over the cap too; Carey, McKernan, Archer, Martyn, Grant, Bell, Stevo.. just ridiculous. How far the once-mighty have fallen.
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A great season of footy. I felt you'd win the flag that season despite Essendons dominance.
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They were cooked, this game was their GF. That they added an AA Ruckmen to an already stacked list well over the cap is why they were so dominant in 2000.
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Lloyd was great but I remember 04 for Tredrea. He was unstoppable that season.
G-Train was also steaming ahead.
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What were Carey's stats in Grand Finals?
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re - read what i said. There has been no fwd more dominant this century than Lloyd kicking it through the big sticks over his 4 (5 year stretch)
he was that far in front
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not angry bud, merry xmas
Personally best Essendon player I’ve ever seen James Hird could turn a game off his own boot
What has happened after retirement is irrelevant best player I have seen at Essendon but not as good as Carey
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agree on the Hird part, he is criminally under appreciated because of his post playing career but he was genuine superstar. Won a B&F and AA plying predominantly half back iirc.
He was probably the best Essendon player I can remember (I was 12 and just loving football in 2000) but Lloyd is a seriously close second
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I remember him being wasteful in 98, good in 99 maybe? Prelims were his go
