Unsolved The Family Murders * BREAKING! Von Einem is dead

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The Who's Who List

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VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed? Reportedly deceased.

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed

LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella

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[Wombat64]

The fact that there are so many unknowns illustrates why there was a cover up by influential people on both sides.

Complete & utter rubbish. There has been no evidence to support a cover up. Only unsubstantiated rumours & innuendo. If you have anything concrete then by all means post it.

 

[Wombat64]

Revolting I hope it’s mom is proud

Hard to say. I found her to be unpleasant the one time I met her. Likewise the other son. To be fair they didn't think much of me either.

 

[nothing001]

Hard to say. I found her to be unpleasant the one time I met her. Likewise the other son. To be fair they didn't think much of me either.

Oh, how did you meet them? They seem like a weird family, which is expected

 

[Jim Cricket]

bruh..

Not only could potentially see criminal defamation and/or contempt of court charges.
If charges were laid (on the suspect/s) and the case went to trial, it may be impossible to find jurors who have not been tainted by the information of certain names being published especially in South Australia being such a small place and how many know of the case. They could argue that the accused cannot get an impartial jury, and they could apply for the trial to be postponed indefinitely.
Then also a high chance of a mistrial or any conviction would be overturned on appeal. The court could potentially struggle to show that a jury’s guilty verdict was based on trial evidence rather than the stories within your book. Hence why authors like Debi take the time to ensure her work would not interfere with the judicial process in this exact way. Justice isn’t about blurting these names across the internet for clout.
I’d say majority of people who were either directly or indirectly affected by this case would have eventually stumbled across the names of certain suspects, as for the general public who would make up the Jury, they more than likely don’t have information to come forward with regarding these people so making it known through this manner just compromises future convictions.

tl;dr
If anything it works in the suspects favour their names being made public in any other means than a legal lift.
Not a rant but I just don’t understand how people do not think this way. If I’m wrong about any of the above, someone.. feel free to school me.

Edit:
Don’t get me wrong, the guilty suspects are aging and I couldn't care less if they lived the rest of their pathetic lives in fear, pain or otherwise. The one thing I would not want is to be a reason they were not convicted.

In regard to the missing chemicals, you say that but provide no insight to where, how, who or what evidence there is to support this. Did the publishing of names provide evidence for this?

But names are published all the time before trials even in high profile cases. Erin Patterson ring a bell?

 

[Wombat64]

Oh, how did you meet them? They seem like a weird family, which is expected

Through work. Nothing exciting or glamorous. I just found them unpleasant.

 

[nominal_port_supporter]

But names are published all the time before trials even in high profile cases. Erin Patterson ring a bell?

Their name is published after they are charged.

 

[Jim Cricket]

Their name is published after they are charged.

"Police have said the people who fell ill and died displayed symptoms of having eaten death cap mushrooms, and last week said Ms Patterson was being treated as a suspect but that investigators were keeping an open mind."

Woman who cooked suspected poisoned meal details where she bought mushrooms

The woman who cooked a meal that is believed to have contained poisonous mushrooms and led to the deaths of three people gives a lengthy written statement to police detailing her account of what happened, and revealing she was hospitalised after the incident.

www.abc.net.au

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Hard to say. I found her to be unpleasant the one time I met her. Likewise the other son. To be fair they didn't think much of me either.

Mike was always lovely, and Terry was a brilliant (and stand out) relief teacher. Which siblings you referring to?

 

[Wombat64]

Mike was always lovely, and Terry was a brilliant (and stand out) relief teacher. Which siblings you referring to?

Mike. I can only go on how we interacted. Sometimes people just don't gel. I found him arrogant but I have also been described as a smug smart arse.

 

[ClarityInChaos]

The scenario that would advance the knowledge of these murders is the unlikely event of DR developing a conscience on his deathbed. As he has said nothing for 40 years I'm not going to bet on it. And in the unlikely event that he does spill the beans a number of people are going to be greatly disappointed as it would debunk their much cherished belief that "influential people" were involved & hampered the initial investigation.

I would bet on it that he does, actually. In fact I know that he has paid an author to write his ‘story’ for him, with the agreement that it will be published at the time of his death. How much of it will be true is impossible to know. The author is just writing what he tells her to.

 

[ClarityInChaos]

In regard to the missing chemicals, you say that but provide no insight to where, how, who or what evidence there is to support this. Did the publishing of names provide evidence for this?

Yes, it did. Without the publishing of names the person who was working at the hospital with this doctor at the time would never have known to come forward with the information they now have.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Mike. I can only go on how we interacted. Sometimes people just don't gel. I found him arrogant but I have also been described as a smug smart arse.

Fair enough - all of my interactions with Mike have always been pleasant and professional. But potentially keeping on topic of cycling was the way to guarantee that.

 

[Zebo]

You’d be surprised. Publishing those names has brought forward so many people with details that bring this closer toward more convictions than ever before.
The chemical used to clean the victims? Guess who was working as a doctor at the hospital now known to have this exact chemical disappearing in 5L bottles, repeatedly at the time of the murders…

Good work then. What chemical was being used?

 

[Tanned]

Complete & utter rubbish. There has been no evidence to support a cover up. Only unsubstantiated rumours & innuendo. If you have anything concrete then by all means post it.

Exactly, the only evidence produced pertained to one man.

 

[ST CREDULOUS]

How Mr r hasn’t been bashed is beyond me

To be clear I am not advocating vigilante behavior of any sort...
But I wonder has anyone ever confronted him? The victims relatives or friends?

 

[dc3]

To be clear I am not advocating vigilante behavior of any sort...
But I wonder has anyone ever confronted him? The victims relatives or friends?

Yep pretty sure Charlie did a
Couple times

 

[ClarityInChaos]

Good work then. What chemical was being used?

Chlorhexidine.

 

[Zebo]

Chlorhexidine.

Interesting. What evidence is there that a disinfectant was used to clean the bodies?

 

[Peter Doherty]

Exactly, the only evidence produced pertained to one man.

Was there evidence relating to Millhouse?

It did go to trial.

 

[Tanned]

"Circumstantial, forensic and confessional evidence against the doctor, and over 60 witnesses over the course of the trial was not enough for a conviction." Clearly the forensic evidence was very thin.

Was there evidence relating to Millhouse?

It did go to trial.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Interesting. What evidence is there that a disinfectant was used to clean the bodies?

didn't one of the police statements indicate that due to stuff that was on at least one of the bodies that it had been washed in a dam or something? Potentially deliberately false info leaked by the police?

 

[diorama]

didn't one of the police statements indicate that due to stuff that was on at least one of the bodies that it had been washed in a dam or something? Potentially deliberately false info leaked by the police?

That was Alan - roadside water pools were found, a dam would also make sense:

Now, his training in botany was being used to investigate murders. One possible location where Alan Barnes could have been cleaned was a small roadside park about four kilometres south of Williamstown on the road between Kersbrook and Williamstown. The roadside park looked like it had been created when the new bitumen road had been straightened, allowing the bend to become a roadside park. All the relevant plants were present, including specimens of the rare gum tree. Water was held in low-lying sections of the roadside area, washed from the road and drained from the slopes of the adjacent paddocks. Alan Barnes or his clothes or both could have been washed in the pool of water before he was thrown from the bridge. Why would that have happened? Why would the murderers have wanted to wash the boys?

O'Brien, Bob. Young Blood: The Story of the Family Murders (p. 95). HarperCollins. Kindle Edition.

 

[Peter Doherty]

"Circumstantial, forensic and confessional evidence against the doctor, and over 60 witnesses over the course of the trial was not enough for a conviction." Clearly the forensic evidence was very thin.

Over 60 witnesses, jesus.

 

[Zebo]

Over 60 witnesses, jesus.

It was actually just short of 100, in the second trial. Quantity over quality.

 

[Peter Doherty]

It was actually just short of 100, in the second trial. Quantity over quality.

Second trial, after the first judge had a heart attack?