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Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack IV - Probable Case of Genocide

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Le Monde reports that the Israeli government has abandoned the survivors of the Hamas Oct 7 attack, refusing to provide them with the necessary psychological and mental support. According to their report, 3750 survivors feel abandoned by authorities. Several of the survivors over the last 2 years have committed suicide due to their trauma. On 21 October 2024,21 year old Shirel Golin was the first survivor to commit suicide. On social media, her brother Eyal accused the Israeli government of "assassinating her" by refusing to offer her adequate psychological support services. On October 10 of this year, another young man - 30 years old - who escaped the Hamas attack committed suicide. His father told Le Monde: "I no longer expect anything from them (the Israeli government), "although they were happy to be take photos at my son's funeral for their own propaganda purposes". He told Le Monde that without assistance from the government, there were inevitably going to be more suicides among the survivors in the years to come.

This account demonstrates the lies that Israel has used to justify its genocide. Supposedly one of the main concerns of the Netanyahu government was the welfare of the hostages.

Yet it cannot even allocate sufficient resources to look after those who survived the attack.
 
IlovethePies said:
Le Monde reports that the Israeli government has abandoned the survivors of the Hamas Oct 7 attack, refusing to provide them with the necessary psychological and mental support. According to their report, 3750 survivors feel abandoned by authorities. Several of the survivors over the last 2 years have committed suicide due to their trauma. On 21 October 2024,21 year old Shirel Golin was the first survivor to commit suicide. On social media, her brother Eyal accused the Israeli government of "assassinating her" by refusing to offer her adequate psychological support services. On October 10 of this year, another young man - 30 years old - who escaped the Hamas attack committed suicide. His father told Le Monde: "I no longer expect anything from them (the Israeli government), "although they were happy to be take photos at my son's funeral for their own propaganda purposes". He told Le Monde that without assistance from the government, there were inevitably going to be more suicides among the survivors in the years to come.

This account demonstrates the lies that Israel has used to justify its genocide. Supposedly one of the main concerns of the Netanyahu government was the welfare of the hostages.

Yet it cannot even allocate sufficient resources to look after those who survived the attack.
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Like I've said MANY times, they're the most disgusting country in the world and it's not even close. I'd choose North Korea over them right now, but of course they have the full backing of the US so they get to commit genocide, war crimes, atrocities, etc... with impunity.
 
Not Important said:
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tbh, I would not expect governments to have their behaviour influenced by hunger strikers. The hunger strikers no doubt feel passionately about their issue and are exercising their choice to show their passion
It is completely reasonable for government to ignore it. The consequences (illness/ death) are the result of the hunger strikers own choice
(I have been put in the situation where hunger strikers at refugee detention have been brought to hospital but legally we cannot intervene unless the hunger striker gives consent for intervention)
 
IlovethePies said:
Le Monde reports that the Israeli government has abandoned the survivors of the Hamas Oct 7 attack, refusing to provide them with the necessary psychological and mental support. According to their report, 3750 survivors feel abandoned by authorities. Several of the survivors over the last 2 years have committed suicide due to their trauma. On 21 October 2024,21 year old Shirel Golin was the first survivor to commit suicide. On social media, her brother Eyal accused the Israeli government of "assassinating her" by refusing to offer her adequate psychological support services. On October 10 of this year, another young man - 30 years old - who escaped the Hamas attack committed suicide. His father told Le Monde: "I no longer expect anything from them (the Israeli government), "although they were happy to be take photos at my son's funeral for their own propaganda purposes". He told Le Monde that without assistance from the government, there were inevitably going to be more suicides among the survivors in the years to come.

This account demonstrates the lies that Israel has used to justify its genocide. Supposedly one of the main concerns of the Netanyahu government was the welfare of the hostages.

Yet it cannot even allocate sufficient resources to look after those who survived the attack.
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On a macro level it is difficult to have "adequate" psychological support. There would be a high variability of need, and preexisting factors and trauma would also play a part in vulnerability; there may not be enough psychologists with availability and accessibility

And we should look at it statistically - how many Israelis are "survivors" of the Hamas attacks? Of which how many have died by suicide. And how does this rate compare to the Israelis who are not "survivors" (and that in itself can be difficult given the collective trauma of the event for the country, then being part of a country engaging in a genocide that maybe makes some individuals more distressed and ashamed)

That said obviously government using funerals for propaganda is poor.
 
RCAB said:
Like I've said MANY times, they're the most disgusting country in the world and it's not even close. I'd choose North Korea over them right now, but of course they have the full backing of the US so they get to commit genocide, war crimes, atrocities, etc... with impunity.
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Israeli politics is totally ****ed up.
Benjamin Netanyahu's party, the Israeli Conservative Party, installed Netanyahu as Prime Minister with only 24% of the popular vote in the last election in 2022.
And now we're here.
 

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^Politics everywhere is f***ed up, not just in Israel.
Albanese's government won the election with a historically low vote (34%).

With Albanese's approval, Chris Minns (the newly emerged Trump of australia) is
a) Going to give police more lethal weaponry (he has announced that police will have long arm rifles during the New Year celebrations)
b) Is considering the possibility of arming Jewish community security forces (ie creating for the first time ever a Zionist paramilitary force in Australia)
c) Is considering the possibility of deploying the military (bringing out the army into Sydney) to guard Jewish sites

This comes on top of legistlation which allows abolition of the right to protest for weeks on end after a terrorist event has been declared by NSW police.

These are police state measures, which are aimed at criminalising the right to protest against the genocide in Gaza.

www.theguardian.com

Minns government ‘actively’ considering if Jewish security group should be armed after Bondi attack

NSW premier also announces police will carry long-arm rifles at major New Year’s Eve event in Sydney
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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IlovethePies said:
^Politics everywhere is f***ed up, not just in Israel.
Albanese's government won the election with a historically low vote (34%).

With Albanese's approval, Chris Minns (the newly emerged Trump of australia) is
a) Going to give police more lethal weaponry (he has announced that police will have long arm rifles during the New Year celebrations)
b) Is considering the possibility of arming Jewish community security forces (ie creating for the first time ever a Zionist paramilitary force in Australia)
c) Is considering the possibility of deploying the military (bringing out the army into Sydney) to guard Jewish sites

This comes on top of legistlation which allows abolition of the right to protest for weeks on end after a terrorist event has been declared by NSW police.

These are police state measures, which are aimed at criminalising the right to protest against the genocide in Gaza.

www.theguardian.com

Minns government ‘actively’ considering if Jewish security group should be armed after Bondi attack

NSW premier also announces police will carry long-arm rifles at major New Year’s Eve event in Sydney
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Yep. It's disgusting. Minns should be arrested.
 
Crankyhawk said:
tbh, I would not expect governments to have their behaviour influenced by hunger strikers. The hunger strikers no doubt feel passionately about their issue and are exercising their choice to show their passion
It is completely reasonable for government to ignore it. The consequences (illness/ death) are the result of the hunger strikers own choice
(I have been put in the situation where hunger strikers at refugee detention have been brought to hospital but legally we cannot intervene unless the hunger striker gives consent for intervention)
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i guess when you don't feel heard, you resort to desperation.
 
Not sure where to put this...

This thread'll do for starters I spose.

 
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Also that's a list of people who "delegitimise" Israel. Delegitimisation and antisemitism are explicitly linked and seem to be given the same weight in terms of offensiveness.

So questioning the legitimacy of Israel's actions is now a form of antisemitism. At least that will be the way it is framed.
 
ferball said:
Also that's a list of people who "delegitimise" Israel. Delegitimisation and antisemitism are explicitly linked and seem to be given the same weight in terms of offensiveness.

So questioning the legitimacy of Israel's actions is now a form of antisemitism. At least that will be the way it is framed.
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It's not just now, the conflation started happening as far back as 1967, when they started to occupy the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza. Even back then criticms of illegal occupation and settlements (acknowledged by the UN) where seen as an anti-Jewish.

Nothing's changed in that regard.

During the second Intifada, even before Hamas came to power in Gaza, pro-palestinian activism was seen as anti-semetic. The first blacklists like the Twitter one you just posted, started back then in the early 2000's.

Things got worse in 2016 when the IHRA deemed criticisms of Israel as anti-semitism. It was then adopted by universities and later governments even if it wasn't enforced or non binding.


But then 2 years later... Israel declares itself the nation-state of the Jewish people only. Downgrades Arabs and prioritises Jewish settlement.

The consequence was that criticising Jewish ethno-nationalism was now framed as opposing Jewish self-determination itself.

That was the clever logic shift.. Israel equals Jewish ONLY state, therefore Zionism is Israel's and Jews ONLY legitimacy and criticising or opposing Zionism equals opposing Jews.

After that... well everyone knows what happened recently.
 
RCAB said:
It's not just now, the conflation started happening as far back as 1967, when they started to occupy the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza. Even back then criticms of illegal occupation and settlements (acknowledged by the UN) where seen as an anti-Jewish.

Nothing's changed in that regard.

During the second Intifada, even before Hamas came to power in Gaza, pro-palestinian activism was seen as anti-semetic. The first blacklists like the Twitter one you just posted, started back then in the early 2000's.

Things got worse in 2016 when the IHRA deemed criticisms of Israel as anti-semitism. It was then adopted by universities and later governments even if it wasn't enforced or non binding.


But then 2 years later... Israel declares itself the nation-state of the Jewish people only. Downgrades Arabs and prioritises Jewish settlement.

The consequence was that criticising Jewish ethno-nationalism was now framed as opposing Jewish self-determination itself.

That was the clever logic shift.. Israel equals Jewish ONLY state, therefore Zionism is Israel's and Jews ONLY legitimacy and criticising or opposing Zionism equals opposing Jews.

After that... well everyone knows what happened recently.
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Do you remember back around the time of the 2nd intifada their ABC would regularly have Mark Regev and someone from the PA on shows like Lateline to argue about Israel?

They gave them both a fair amount of time to speak. That was a long time ago now.
 

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