Vic The joke that is the Victorian Liberal Party.

[Pakenhamsaint]

If LNP win, they 100% will cut the public service.

It will be the usual LNP hack job

Public service, Health and education.

Jobs for mates and they hate the doors getting health and an education.

Always have. Always will

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

If LNP win, they 100% will cut the public service.

Isn't Allan shredding $4b from the public service?

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Isn't Allan shredding $4b from the public service?

Could be, don't know what the Silver Report recommended total dollar value was. But the LNP approach is just x% cuts from everywhere. Most of the savings from the Silver Report are from cutting public sector executive roles.

 

[CM86]

Could be, don't know what the Silver Report recommended total dollar value was. But the LNP approach is just x% cuts from everywhere. Most of the savings from the Silver Report are from cutting public sector executive roles.

Turns out that all the privitisation, consulting and outsourcing costs more than public service.

$4b in savings is bad. Allan Bad!
Also, debt out of control. Allan Bad!

 

[Crankyhawk]

Isn't Allan shredding $4b from the public service?

theoretically out of middle management (non frontline) but they are very good at defending their turf so not sure how it will play out

 

[The Punter]

Bad is not the same as "not good enough".

 

[Jascave]

When was the last time an opposition party in either state or federal elections has wiped off a deficit of what the Victorian Liberals need if they are to win government in their own right in November-16 seats?

 

[geoffjennings79]

When was the last time an opposition party in either state or federal elections has wiped off a deficit of what the Victorian Liberals need if they are to win government in their own right in November-16 seats?

Palaszczuk in 2015.

 

[10571z]

There’s no way Morrison, Dutton and Ley are amongst this countries brightest to lead a political party. Genuinely worries me. They honestly aren’t clever people.

 

[The Punter]

There’s no way Morrison, Dutton and Ley are amongst this countries brightest to lead a political party. Genuinely worries me. They honestly aren’t clever people.

None of these three are Victorian Liberals (thread title).

 

[Gough]

All going swimmingly.

Sam Groth to quit Victorian politics after defamation battle with News Corp and internal party divisions

Deputy Liberal leader and former tennis player announces he will not contest this year’s state election

www.theguardian.com

 

[geoffjennings79]

Groth not recontesting due to agitation from within his own party. Showing more opposition to each other than to the govt. Not providing much alternative for Victorians... again.

 

[The Punter]

It's disappointing to see someone hounded out of politics for falling in love with his wife. I also find it educational to see this take place so shortly after a wonderful outpouring of sympathy and generosity from across the political spectrum after the premature passing of Katie Allen.

 

[geoffjennings79]

It's disappointing to see someone hounded out of politics for falling in love with his wife. I also find it educational to see this take place so shortly after a wonderful outpouring of sympathy and generosity from across the political spectrum after the premature passing of Katie Allen.

Agree, if their private life has no bearing on their ability to perform their job, and doesn't contravene any law, it shouldn't be an issue. However seems to be more of an issue for colleagues in the Libs than opponents in the ALP.

 

[kalex6251]

every chance this is as much to do with the enemies he made within his own party in the wake of the moira deeming debacle than anything else ..... the herald $cum def case provides convenient coverage to lay blame away from the real issues

typical politics ..... where politicians take advantage of useful distractions to do politician things

[edit] having now seen the article in question - looks like this is very much an internal party issue

 

[Golden_6]

This party needs to become extinct. They offer absolutely nothing.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

It's disappointing to see someone hounded out of politics for falling in love with his wife. I also find it educational to see this take place so shortly after a wonderful outpouring of sympathy and generosity from across the political spectrum after the premature passing of Katie Allen.

Groth is playing the victim but I wouldn’t be too quick to buy into that. Most of these major party politicians know the game well and play it. I wouldn’t trust Groth or any of them as far as I could throw them.

 

[The Punter]

Groth is playing the victim but I wouldn’t be too quick to buy into that. Most of these major party politicians know the game well and play it. I wouldn’t trust Groth or any of them as far as I could throw them.

If we were talking about a seasoned political professional I might concede your point. But Groth is new to this, and has displayed naivete during his short time in parliament.

Does the mere act of wanting elected office transform one into untrustworthy?

 

[QuietB]

If we were talking about a seasoned political professional I might concede your point. But Groth is new to this, and has displayed naivete during his short time in parliament.

Does the mere act of wanting elected office transform one into untrustworthy?

Kind of begs the question what was he was doing there in the first place?

If the party is suffering a void of competence, preselecting incompetents is hardly a sound strategy.

 

[Golden_6]

Kind of begs the question what was he was doing there in the first place?

If the party is suffering a void of competence, preselecting incompetents is hardly a sound strategy.

I think we still need to encourage non-politicians to enter politics. I'd prefer that over career politicians who know how to weasel the system and knife people in the back for their own personal gain. It doesn't move the country forward.

Now I don't know if Groth was incompetent or was just naive but well meaning so it's more of a general statement.

 

[The Punter]

Kind of begs the question what was he was doing there in the first place?

If the party is suffering a void of competence, preselecting incompetents is hardly a sound strategy.

I'm going to leave the question of competence to others as I've not had anything to do with Groth, but I do know he was factionally unaligned in an area where factions are entrenched and there was a large number of preselection candidates. And as I have said about him before, being factionally unaligned might mean you are (initially) without enemies but it also means you have few friends.

There is no arguing that we struggle for good preselection candidates. To run in a lower house seat (and I live in one we need to win), you need disposable income (candidates can donate unlimited amounts to their own campaigns so are expected to do so, while other methods of fundraising are severely limited in Victorian elections), the ability to at least take leave from work to campaign, an understanding family (not just the time away but the stuff that will get thrown at you), and the ability to encounter people in your campaigning who will say all sorts of things to you and not at all be bothered by it. It's certainly a disincentive.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Dan Andrews canned the East West Link because the return was just 80 cents for every $1 spent!

If you believe the 80c in the dollar figure, you're dumber than a sack of rocks, it's a fraudulent figure cooked up by Liberal Party spin doctors. Try 45c in the dollar.

East West Link business case revealed

The business case for the stalled East West Link tollway has been released, with the Andrews government saying it reveals a "fraud" against Victorians.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[The Punter]

If you believe the 80c in the dollar figure, you're dumber than a sack of rocks, it's a fraudulent figure cooked up by Liberal Party spin doctors. Try 45c in the dollar.

East West Link business case revealed

The business case for the stalled East West Link tollway has been released, with the Andrews government saying it reveals a "fraud" against Victorians.

www.sbs.com.au

For those playing at home, here is the operative quote from the sbs article:

The documents show the benefit cost ratio (BCR) for East West Link was just 45 cents for every $1 spent, increasing to 84 cents when wider economic benefits were taken into account.

I wonder what other projects have included the undefined (in the article) "wider economic benefits" in their BCRs.

 

[Gavin Excell]

I'm going to leave the question of competence to others as I've not had anything to do with Groth, but I do know he was factionally unaligned in an area where factions are entrenched and there was a large number of preselection candidates. And as I have said about him before, being factionally unaligned might mean you are (initially) without enemies but it also means you have few friends.

There is no arguing that we struggle for good preselection candidates. To run in a lower house seat (and I live in one we need to win), you need disposable income (candidates can donate unlimited amounts to their own campaigns so are expected to do so, while other methods of fundraising are severely limited in Victorian elections), the ability to at least take leave from work to campaign, an understanding family (not just the time away but the stuff that will get thrown at you), and the ability to encounter people in your campaigning who will say all sorts of things to you and not at all be bothered by it. It's certainly a disincentive.

Does Moira Deeming have much influence on the party

 

[The Punter]

Does Moira Deeming have much influence on the party

The influence is from a different female MLC