List Mgmt. Welcome Tyler Brockman (Traded for Picks 44 and 63 in 2023)

[BSD]

so he won the fight? He is a winner and we need those.

Club won’t hold onto him as he is a borderline delisting. Has 2 kids. He needs a season of his life to stay on.

Obviously he wasn't thinking of his 2 kids at 4:00am

 

[Tugga27]

Broken jaw - borderline GBH. You're doing time.

He has to be charged first.

I can this dying a slow death TBH.

 

[unty11]

If his contract were to be cancelled if found guilty and jailed would we have to pay him out ?

I'm assuming we'd have some sort of clause in his contract that if he's eventually found guilty of a crime it would void his contract with us. Although we'd have to pay him whilst he was undergoing legal proceedings unless of course his contract expires during that time and we choose not to renew it.

As with the police not charging him with serious assault(GBH) yet it can take longer to corroborate evidence and get medical confirmation of injuries.

Also another guy was hit with full force in the face by another guy in the group so it may be that person who has the broken jaw.

Anyways doesn't look good but we have no idea what instigated the fight.

 

[KERRPOW]

Or Matt Owies.

In that case extend his contract

 

[Bender_]

He has to be charged first.

I can this dying a slow death TBH.

How though? Police have footage and a hospitalised victim - surely they're expedlcted to pursue it to prosecution?

 

[Astro7]

If his contract were to be cancelled if found guilty and jailed would we have to pay him out ?

No expert here, but there would be contract clauses for anti-social behaviour, committing crime, tarnishing the clubs reputation etc.
The club (and brand) is right on the cusp of new positive growth; and this kind of lets some air out of the tyres - if found guilty it will probably blow up on media.
Pity, can't fix stupid, not in a hurry anyway. Fellow players would be dirty on him.

 

[Tugga27]

How though? Police have footage and a hospitalised victim - surely they're expedlcted to pursue it to prosecution?

I'm not sure how it works.
Maybe the guy with a broken jaw doesn't want to press charges?

I guess it's only been 5 or 6 days since the incident and there's been a lot of holidays during that time.

Time will tell I guess.

 

[Godfather32]

I'm assuming we'd have some sort of clause in his contract that if he's eventually found guilty of a crime it would void his contract with us. Although we'd have to pay him whilst he was undergoing legal proceedings unless of course his contract expires during that time and we choose not to renew it.

As with the police not charging him with serious assault(GBH) yet it can take longer to corroborate evidence and get medical confirmation of injuries.

Also another guy was hit with full force in the face by another guy in the group so it may be that person who has the broken jaw.

Anyways doesn't look good but we have no idea what instigated the fight.

What did we do with Murray Newman?

 

[Keys]

[PLAYERCARD]Noah Balta[/PLAYERCARD] was charged within 2 days of his offence in late December 2024 and went to trial in April 2025 after an initial hearing at the end of January. He was given an 18 month community service order, fined $3,000 and had a 3 month curfew imposed. There was also a civil matter settled out of court for $45,000.

Richmond also sanctioned him by suspending him him for all their preseason games and the first four rounds of 2025 a week or so after he was charged

I don’t think the victim had his jaw broken but did receive what was described as a head injury

Different state (NSW) and probably different circumstances so hard to draw any conclusions just yet, especially when there’s nothing to go on besides a grainy video at this point But, unless there’s some significant mitigating circumstances, I’d anticipate there’ll be some form of suspension from the club

What the court system does, if/when charges are laid who knows

 

[Bender_]

I'm not sure how it works.
Maybe the guy with a broken jaw doesn't want to press charges?

I guess it's only been 5 or 6 days since the incident and there's been a lot of holidays during that time.

Time will tell I guess.

I'm fairly certain we don't get the choice about charges in Australia, if there's a crime police are expected to pursue it.

Regardless yeah it does seem they're either working on Gero time and dragging their feet with arresting him or nothing is going to happen (as in there's no case to answer).

 

[unty11]

What did we do with Murray Newman?

Yeah dunno with that one, blast from the past. Seems we delisted him in 2015 and he was charged with GBH in 2012 and convicted in 2013 and served his sentence in 2014. Dunno the reasoning for keeping him on the list after he'd been convicted maybe done for welfare reasons or talent wise we thought it was worth it and hoping prison would straighten him out? I remember Andrew Krakouer playing good footy for Collingwood after doing his time.

 

[Shupe]

He has to be charged first.

I can this dying a slow death TBH.

If a complaint is forthcoming from the victims, he's cooked.

 

[Shupe]

I'm fairly certain we don't get the choice about charges in Australia, if there's a crime police are expected to pursue it.

Regardless yeah it does seem they're either working on Gero time and dragging their feet with arresting him or nothing is going to happen (as in there's no case to answer).

There has to be a complainant. Someone needs to stand up in Court and say "yes, this thing happened to me".

A significant amount of assaults don't result in charges.

 

[Shupe]

I don’t think the victim had his jaw broken but did receive what was described as a head injury

The level of injury is indeed significant. Assault causing bodily harm is unlikely to result in a term of imprisonment, much like the Balta case. A broken jaw is borderline GBH (permanent injury or risk of permanent injury without medical intervention).

 

[BSD]

No expert here, but there would be contract clauses for anti-social behaviour, committing crime, tarnishing the clubs reputation etc.
The club (and brand) is right on the cusp of new positive growth; and this kind of lets some air out of the tyres - if found guilty it will probably blow up on media.
Pity, can't fix stupid, not in a hurry anyway. Fellow players would be dirty on him.

There is an old saying.
Ignorance can be educated
Crazy can be medicated
But there is no cure for stupid.

 

[Bender_]

There has to be a complainant. Someone needs to stand up in Court and say "yes, this thing happened to me".

A significant amount of assaults don't result in charges.

Of course, a significant amount of assaults also don't occur on camera, which is then posted on social media, which is then picked up by a news outlet and the alleged offender is a "celebrity" (used loosely) is named and pictured in said video. The complainant has also attended hospital, so the investigating into their identity will be minimal. Police don't just sit around and wait for someone to report crimes, if they know one has occurred and they have enough information they will pursue it, especially considering the optics of this one with all the information at hand.

Or, there's already been an investigation and for whatever reasons unknown there's nothing to pursue.

 

[Shupe]

Of course, a significant amount of assaults also don't occur on camera, which is then posted on social media, which is then picked up by a news outlet and the alleged offender is a "celebrity" (used loosely) is named and pictured in said video. The complainant has also attended hospital, so the investigating into their identity will be minimal. Police don't just sit around and wait for someone to report crimes, if they know one has occurred and they have enough information they will pursue it, especially considering the optics of this one with all the information at hand.

Or, there's already been an investigation and for whatever reasons unknown there's nothing to pursue.

I agree - there is a lot of good evidence.

Your last paragraph says it all though - no complainant, no charge. I'd say he'd be charged by now if the victim had provided a statement.

Police also have other options in these circumstances, such as fighting in public causing fear.

 

[unty11]

Of course, a significant amount of assaults also don't occur on camera, which is then posted on social media, which is then picked up by a news outlet and the alleged offender is a "celebrity" (used loosely) is named and pictured in said video. The complainant has also attended hospital, so the investigating into their identity will be minimal. Police don't just sit around and wait for someone to report crimes, if they know one has occurred and they have enough information they will pursue it, especially considering the optics of this one with all the information at hand.

Or, there's already been an investigation and for whatever reasons unknown there's nothing to pursue.

They are probably still investigating, canvassing eye-witness testimony and phone or cctv video and building a timeline of events to establish if a crime has occurred. It may be this was some sort of retaliatory event to something that occurred earlier in the night. Remember the guy said "It's not me bro" before getting struck. Which would lead you to believe Tyler was looking for someone in particular.

Also the head lines are vague they say he was "involved" in a brawl where someone was hospitalised as a result. In the video two separate people were struck one by Tyler and one by another individual. So we don't know which victim was hospitalised. Also they may have just been admitted to hospital as a precautionary thing.

Also the police may be waiting on medical confirmation on the injuries sustained by the victim before they decide on what grade of assault to charge the attacker with.

Lastly it's also a police resource thing gero probably can't do this kind of police work at an expedient rate due to lack of resources.

Also the police don't have to charge people with crimes they are allowed to use discretion depending on the seriousness of the crime(not saying this isn't serious), the amount of evidence they have or if their are other policing options they wish to pursue instead of prosecution.

 

[Bender_]

Yeah look in the end most of us are making assumptions on what has happened and don't know the full story as yet. Will have to wait and see.

 

[Seadog]

How though? Police have footage and a hospitalized victim - surely they're expedlcted to pursue it to prosecution?

My son was knocked to the ground, had his head kicked until it was the size of a watermelon by a group of speed freaks. I had to drive him 70km to a hospital
No-one was charged even though the police knew who did it because most of the witnesses were drunk or didn't want to make a statement. Closest I ever came to being a vigilante. Same part of the world. A few nights later a couple of the local boys gave them a hiding and that was the only justice we got.

 

[JackOutback]

There has to be a complainant. Someone needs to stand up in Court and say "yes, this thing happened to me".

A significant amount of assaults don't result in charges.

This is not true. The decision to lay charges in WA rests with police and if they have the evidence, they can and do lay charges without a complaint. There's a reason bikies get charged for public brawls even though people from both sides refuse to talk, there's usually CCTV or other evidence. A formal complaint is the easiest way but no the only way to lay charges.

 

[Shupe]

This is not true. The decision to lay charges in WA rests with police and if they have the evidence, they can and do lay charges without a complaint. There's a reason bikies get charged for public brawls even though people from both sides refuse to talk, there's usually CCTV or other evidence. A formal complaint is the easiest way but no the only way to lay charges.

Sure. What do the bikies get charged with?

As you correctly point out - the decision to charge someone absolutely rests with Police. In an assault matter, without a victim, there may be sufficient corroborative evidence, however the prospect of conviction is slim to none.

 

[beatlesmith]

This is not true. The decision to lay charges in WA rests with police and if they have the evidence, they can and do lay charges without a complaint. There's a reason bikies get charged for public brawls even though people from both sides refuse to talk, there's usually CCTV or other evidence. A formal complaint is the easiest way but no the only way to lay charges.

An assault does require a complainant because otherwise defences like self-defence or provocation cannot be negated by the prosecution. Identity and causation of injuries are also issues.

The State will not, under any circumstances that I’ve encountered, present an indictment for a GBH without a cooperative complainant.

Bikies fighting in public brawls are charged with “fighting in public causing fear”, which does not require a complainant and is very much a trivial offence.

From my experience dealing with these kind of matters in regional towns: it would be very surprising if anyone was ultimately charged. These things are usually sorted out in other ways..

 

[Matera92]

Broken jaw is AOBH, if the victim is refusing to sign up Detectives would be working on gathering other evidence however very hard to proceed without a victim sign up.

A wounding on the other handing doesn't require a victim statement and can proceed without their consent.

 

[Into The Black]

My son was knocked to the ground, had his head kicked until it was the size of a watermelon by a group of speed freaks. I had to drive him 70km to a hospital
No-one was charged even though the police knew who did it because most of the witnesses were drunk or didn't want to make a statement. Closest I ever came to being a vigilante. Same part of the world. A few nights later a couple of the local boys gave them a hiding and that was the only justice we got.

Is your boy ok ?