Opinion Non-Crows AFL 13: Offseason

[adelaidecrows]

The rules for call ups don't matter. There is no juice in it now for the same reason there was no juice in it when they phased it out in the early-mid 90s. Nobody views football as a state thing anymore aside from a few oldies. The kind of people that barrack for both Port and the Crows.

The more i think about it the more I agree with your line of thinking. It was good when it was still heavily a state based football system. But under a national competition where travelling, moving for work means a loss of state identity as well it really is meaningless to a lot of players.

If the AFL want to have a representative style all star game do East v West make it part of grand final week. That way all players are eligible except the two grand final teams and they play Friday night rotating around Australia each year.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

The more i think about it the more I agree with your line of thinking. It was good when it was still heavily a state based football system. But under a national competition where travelling, moving for work means a loss of state identity as well it really is meaningless to a lot of players.

All it takes is one gun player getting injured and the clubs will start agitating. What is the likelihood this is bruise free footy? Why bust a gut for this sideshow?

 

[cleanhands]

With themselves

 

[adelaidecrows]

All it takes is one gun player getting injured and the clubs will start agitating. What is the likelihood this is bruise free footy? Why bust a gut for this sideshow?

I dont remember any incident in the 90s SOO series where any player was injured. These were some ripping games too. that 1992 game is one of the toughest games of football I think Ive seen

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I dont remember any incident in the 90s SOO series where any player was injured. These were some ripping games too. that 1992 game is one of the toughest games of football I think Ive seen

You're setting yourself up for disappointment. This shit will be fake.

 

[adelaidecrows]

You're setting yourself up for disappointment. This shit will be fake.

Im not going to be disappointed. Im not even going to watch it.

 

[Vader]

The more i think about it the more I agree with your line of thinking. It was good when it was still heavily a state based football system. But under a national competition where travelling, moving for work means a loss of state identity as well it really is meaningless to a lot of players.

If the AFL want to have a representative style all star game do East v West make it part of grand final week. That way all players are eligible except the two grand final teams and they play Friday night rotating around Australia each year.

... and yet it works in the NRL, where SoO games are even bigger than the GF. The NRL may not be truly national, with teams in every state like the AFL does, but you still have banana benders playing for NSW & Vic teams, and cockroaches playing for QLD teams.

All of this "there's no need since the game went national" argument makes no sense, given that SoO is huge in the NRL despite having largely the same structure.

For me, the fundamental difference is that SoO in the NRL is a 2-team competition, with a genuine rivalry and hatred between the two teams. The NRL has fostered and encouraged this competition, resulting in the spectacle which occurs every winter. In the AFL, there are 4 teams, one of which is utterly meaningless (the Allies), and WA vs SA has no tradition or interest in general. It's really only SA vs Vic and WA vs Vic that have any meaning. Far from fostering and encouraging these traditional rivalries, the AFL & Clubs have gone out of their way to deliberately atrophy any interest formerly existed.

 

[adelaidecrows]

... and yet it works in the NRL, where SoO games are even bigger than the GF. The NRL may not be truly national, with teams in every state like the AFL does, but you still have banana benders playing for NSW & Vic teams, and cockroaches playing for QLD teams.

All of this "there's no need since the game went national" argument makes no sense, given that SoO is huge in the NRL despite having largely the same structure.

For me, the fundamental difference is that SoO in the NRL is a 2-team competition, with a genuine rivalry and hatred between the two teams. The NRL has fostered and encouraged this competition, resulting in the spectacle which occurs every winter. In the AFL, there are 4 teams, one of which is utterly meaningless (the Allies), and WA vs SA has no tradition or interest in general. It's really only SA vs Vic and WA vs Vic that have any meaning. Far from fostering and encouraging these traditional rivalries, the AFL & Clubs have gone out of their way to deliberately atrophy any interest formerly existed.

SOO for Rugby continued to work because its still very much a localised state based system. But they have had to bring in other all star games due to the rise in international and interstate players. I do think SOO can work if they play every state and do a state based pride thing. May take a few years to build up rilvaries but the AFL cant honestly believe QLD and NSW wont attract a crowd at the Gabba or SCG. Its ready built.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I dont remember any incident in the 90s SOO series where any player was injured. These were some ripping games too. that 1992 game is one of the toughest games of football I think Ive seen

Tony Hall did his ACL in the mud at the MCG when tackled by a Hawthorn teammate, Andy Collins

Don't know if that was the specific incident that soured people on SoO but it was around the time it started to die away or was at least questioned

 

[Cromulant]

Tony Hall did his ACL in the mud at the MCG when tackled by a Hawthorn teammate, Andy Collins

Don't know if that was the specific incident that soured people on SoO but it was around the time it started to die away or was at least questioned

It would have been a part of it, I just think the increase in interstate teams into the AFL and the shift towards professionalism lessened the need for it.

Kinda strange as it still works extremely well in the NRL, theyre 3 of the games NRL fans turn up for.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Tony Hall did his ACL in the mud at the MCG when tackled by a Hawthorn teammate, Andy Collins

Don't know if that was the specific incident that soured people on SoO but it was around the time it started to die away or was at least questioned

halls nickname was tampon for a reason though. in 1 week out for 3.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Was state of origins crowds dying out a result of the AFL meddling or just people seeing it as redundant when the league went national. Just anecdotal but I didn't even realise soo ran all the way through the 90s, I thought it died in 95. There is like a 4 year period of soo that doesn't exist in my memory. I can't be the only one.

 

[Bearded Clam]

For some reason I have a vague recollection that the beginning of the end of the SA v Vic SOO games all started when Collingwood wouldn't release Nathan Buckley to play for SA.. something about “hamstring awareness”.. they made him fake a hamstring injury to get him out of the SA SOO side because they didn't want their best player risked playing for SA..

And it all went downhill from there.. and was eventually canned..

Could be wrong.. it was many beers ago now..

 

[Vader]

SOO for Rugby continued to work because its still very much a localised state based system. But they have had to bring in other all star games due to the rise in international and interstate players. I do think SOO can work if they play every state and do a state based pride thing. May take a few years to build up rilvaries but the AFL cant honestly believe QLD and NSW wont attract a crowd at the Gabba or SCG. Its ready built.

There's interest in QLD vs NSW, and that would be equally the case in AFL as it is in NRL - the rivalry is real. There is no interest in "The Allies" vs anyone, or even "The Allies" as a concept. Similarly, there is little (if any) interest in SA vs WA. These state rivalries simply don't exist... and that's the fundamental problem.

It's got nothing to do with the AFL being a national competition. It's got everything to do with a lack of interest, due to a lack of rivalry between most of the states - and therefore a lack of interest in these matches by the AFL, Clubs and supporters.

The AFL's problem is that it has too many states of origin, and if SoO is to happen then nobody wants to miss out - but there's a massive lack of interest in most of these pairings. With only a few SoO pairings having genuine rivalry/interest, the whole concept is doomed.

Yes, the NRL has "All-Star" games, but they have very little interest compared to SoO. The SoO matches are 3 of the biggest 4 games of the season, with only the GF falling in the same bracket. The All-Star games are treated as exhibition matches, and aren't in the top 150 biggest games of the season.

 

[Bovo]

All it takes is one gun player getting injured and the clubs will start agitating. What is the likelihood this is bruise free footy? Why bust a gut for this sideshow?

I agree with this. I also think the AFL might want a similar event to NRL SOO, but when they took State of Origin away in the nineties, it died. Leave it dead and buried, because one injury will destroy it anyway. Put State (SANFL, VFL, WAFL etc) best of the best from each state on centre stage only.

 

[Geoffa32]

You're setting yourself up for disappointment. This shit will be fake.

Dan Gorringe went harder at the Ted Whitten game than any bloke will for this game.

 

[cleanhands]

We could really light it up with SOO AFLW

 

[CrowinNT]

... and yet it works in the NRL, where SoO games are even bigger than the GF. The NRL may not be truly national, with teams in every state like the AFL does, but you still have banana benders playing for NSW & Vic teams, and cockroaches playing for QLD teams.

All of this "there's no need since the game went national" argument makes no sense, given that SoO is huge in the NRL despite having largely the same structure.

For me, the fundamental difference is that SoO in the NRL is a 2-team competition, with a genuine rivalry and hatred between the two teams. The NRL has fostered and encouraged this competition, resulting in the spectacle which occurs every winter. In the AFL, there are 4 teams, one of which is utterly meaningless (the Allies), and WA vs SA has no tradition or interest in general. It's really only SA vs Vic and WA vs Vic that have any meaning. Far from fostering and encouraging these traditional rivalries, the AFL & Clubs have gone out of their way to deliberately atrophy any interest formerly existed.

Yep agree with most of what you posted
As an aside it could be All against the Vics
However the Vic “origin” would be a BS model again
Victoria is the prime recruitment ground for players nothing is going to change soon IMO

 

[Mostyn]

So - the concept works in the two state sport that is NRL.

Does it work in any other sport anywhere else?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So - the concept works in the two state sport that is NRL.

Does it work in any other sport anywhere else?

I'm not sure about now .....but the NRL State of Origin "edge" was that the National side was largely selected from the two sides .....it made getting selected for QLD or NSW pretty important

Of course now you have the Storm .....but the two state rivalry had enough solid foundations & continuity to grow in popularity

 

[Vader]

I'm not sure about now .....but the NRL State of Origin "edge" was that the National side was largely selected from the two sides .....it made getting selected for QLD or NSW pretty important

Of course now you have the Storm .....but the two state rivalry had enough solid foundations & continuity to grow in popularity

Yes, you have the Storm - but the team consists entirely of players from NSW & QLD. I do not believe there are any Victorians playing in the NRL (though I could be wrong). I believe most of the Storm team have been recruited from QLD.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Footy in Darwin

 

[FR0GGY]

Footy in Darwin

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Win the toss kick with the tide for sure.

 

[CrowinNT]

Footy in Darwin

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I was trying to post that yesterday but the Facebook link didn’t work
Yeah pretty wet ground

 

[Pugsley]

halls nickname was tampon for a reason though. in 1 week out for 3.

Lives in Geelong these days. I'd say he wouldn't be a resident of Corio.