Anthony Albanese - How long? -3-

[NSWCROW]

Politicising Bondi backfires for Liberals who got what they asked for

Federal Liberals are discovering the price of having been so brazen in their politicisation of the Bondi terror attack and many appear to have buyers' remorse.

www.abc.net.au

Again, wouldn't be waiting by the phone for a diplomatic role if i were a right-leaning ex-pollie, ay !

 

[The Punter]

The US is an interesting case. In another universe, the attacks on jews there would more widespread, considering americans warlike approach to solving problems. Fortunately, the "judeo-christian" has been created, largely by the churches there based on questionable translations of the bible...I'm sure you've seen the ted cruz oath of loyalty to israel.

if this judeo-christian nexis is broken within the magas, all hell could break loose for jewish americans, although I know that the empire is trying to shut down the younger folk's communication networks and to re-program them through the churches.

I feel like Tucker Carlson is trying on this one.

 

[Markfs]

Yet the CCP makes it mandatory to start school days praising Xi's policies and studying why they are so good. Fully agree we need our kids to have the opportunity to grow, learn and develop their own beliefs but most nations banning something do it in order to remove a potential rival to their doctrine.

As I indicated, we dont have to enforce all these chinese methods. I was using it as an example. I feel sorry for kids that are programmed by their parents and then they are caught in a community, and if they escape they are totally alone. I just wonder how many actually believe the stuff..

 

[Markfs]

You raise some interesting points. First "Judeo-Christian" wasn't created in America, it refers to the common roots of Judaism and Christianity, as well as shared values such as justice and human dignity, on which much of Western civilisation is based. Living here in Australia, nearly everything you believe in that is good comes from those roots, whether you are religious or not.

If Chinese kids are interested enough in the forbidden, which is what kids do, they will find out about religions and it will appeal to some, just like it appeals to some everywhere. Everyone needs something to believe in, and if it's not religion, there will be a cause, or a lifestyle. Or they find comfort in knowing they are part of a like-minded subset of society, no matter what it is. Radicalisation may be one subset; activism for saving animals could be another.

People adopt belief in something greater because it provides meaning, resilience, moral grounding, social cohesion and perspective.

I once invited a JW caller into my house for a chat. He was a nice bloke, Islander I think, and we talked about a few things but not much about religion. Communication is all that's needed. You could have asked your callers to explain what it was that attracted them to their beliefs. They probably have just found a place where they fit.

well i never heard of judeo-christian in my catholic years. It's primarily a US evangelical construct. You mightnt like it as a committed muslim disliker (I toned it down) but islam and christianity have more common links

i will take your point that young people not programmed with religion may find something else. It's a good point.

I think most values of justice etc stem from human development and were enhanced and curtailed by religion during the process. Christians will say slavery was stopped by christians...for example...but it was supported along the way.

I dont want to say anything more that should be in a religious thread.

I was saying that if people want Albo to bring australia together, get rid of this artificial barrier...at least for the young

 

[Markfs]

I feel like Tucker Carlson is trying on this one.

tucker is a card-carrying christian...i would try to nip him in the bud as a 10yo.

 

[Home Alone]

You raise some interesting points. First "Judeo-Christian" wasn't created in America, it refers to the common roots of Judaism and Christianity, as well as shared values such as justice and human dignity, on which much of Western civilisation is based. Living here in Australia, nearly everything you believe in that is good comes from e roots, whether you are religious or not.

I will need some convincing. How easy is it for you to claim all things good are attributible to Judeo Christianity. Which conveniently ignores all things bad and must be attributable to some other foreign actor.

For your conclusion to be true, can you explain how these Judeo Christian values allowed such practices as Serfdom and Slavery in prior times. In my eyes, they don't offer much dignity or justice.

 

[Markfs]

gave in to zionist pressure would be my guess.



or kenneth roth

Why has Roth got so little power and Leibler so much? I've been reading opinions from Jews like Roth and Lowenstein over the last 2 years and they are totally ignored. Norman Finklestein is one of my favourite people in this area but he has been totally marginalised, not only by mainstream jews but any and every gentile that holds a position of power.

I cant remember the number of times that someone has been introduced as a holocaust survivor who expresses an opinion opposing zionism and they are totally ignored.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I will need some convincing. How easy is it for you to claim all things good are attributible to Judeo Christianity. Which conveniently ignores all things bad and must be attributable to some other foreign actor.

For your conclusion to be true, can you explain how these Judeo Christian values allowed such practices as Serfdom and Slavery in prior times. In my eyes, they don't offer much dignity or justice.

Christianity started within Judaism, and then became an independent religion. Since about the 19th century, the term Judeo-Christian is used to either describe this common heritage, or to show how Christianity developed from Judaism.

Australia's Constitution is influenced by Judeo Christian principles incorporating tested principles of fair government going back to the Magna Carta. (Australian Human Rights Commission) The Judeo-Christian tradition promoted ideas of social responsibility, individual worth, and equality, which are incorporated into modern liberal democracy.
Slavery, in the form of modern slavery (forced labor, forced marriage), exists in every country in the world, affecting an estimated 50 million people globally. The 2023 Global Slavery Index covers 160 countries and highlights prevalence in places like North Korea, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, and South Sudan. (Wiki)

European countries began abolishing the slave trade in the 18th century. The consensus seems to be that slavery began due to economic needs for labour and was abolished through moral, economic, and political changes.

No one ever said Judeo-Christianity values are perfect. No one is asked to ignore things that can be changed or improved on. But the fact that you were born in or live in Australia makes you a very lucky human being.

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[Markfs]

Christianity started within Judaism, and then became an independent religion. Since about the 19th century, the term Judeo-Christian is used to either describe this common heritage, or to show how Christianity developed from Judaism.

Australia's Constitution is influenced by Judeo Christian principles incorporating tested principles of fair government going back to the Magna Carta. (Australian Human Rights Commission) The Judeo-Christian tradition promoted ideas of social responsibility, individual worth, and equality, which are incorporated into modern liberal democracy.
Slavery, in the form of modern slavery (forced labor, forced marriage), exists in every country in the world, affecting an estimated 50 million people globally. The 2023 Global Slavery Index covers 160 countries and highlights prevalence in places like North Korea, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, and South Sudan. (Wiki)

European countries began abolishing the slave trade in the 18th century. The consensus seems to be that slavery began due to economic needs for labour and was abolished through moral, economic, and political changes.

No one ever said Judeo-Christianity values are perfect. No one is asked to ignore things that can be changed or improved on. But the fact that you were born in or live in Australia makes you a very lucky human being.

Why god invented AI, doggiemeister...


"The term "Judeo-Christian" emerged in the early 19th century, notably in England around 1821, used by missionaries for Jewish converts to Christianity, and later by thinkers like Nietzsche. Its modern political meaning, linking Jewish and Christian values as foundational to Western identity, gained traction in the 1930s and 40s in the U.S. through organizations like the National Conference of Christians and Jews to counter fascism and anti-Semitism, solidifying as an American civil religion post-WWII. "

 

[Gralin]

We're getting pretty off track into who gives a shit territory

 

[peetoo]

well i never heard of judeo-christian in my catholic years. It's primarily a US evangelical construct. You mightnt like it as a committed muslim disliker (I toned it down) but islam and christianity have more common links

i will take your point that young people not programmed with religion may find something else. It's a good point.

I think most values of justice etc stem from human development and were enhanced and curtailed by religion during the process. Christians will say slavery was stopped by christians...for example...but it was supported along the way.

I dont want to say anything more that should be in a religious thread.

I was saying that if people want Albo to bring australia together, get rid of this artificial barrier...at least for the young

It’s ironic that the phrase is invented after the majority see the texts and rituals as meaningless to them

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Christianity started within Judaism, and then became an independent religion. Since about the 19th century, the term Judeo-Christian is used to either describe this common heritage, or to show how Christianity developed from Judaism.

Australia's Constitution is influenced by Judeo Christian principles incorporating tested principles of fair government going back to the Magna Carta. (Australian Human Rights Commission) The Judeo-Christian tradition promoted ideas of social responsibility, individual worth, and equality, which are incorporated into modern liberal democracy.
Slavery, in the form of modern slavery (forced labor, forced marriage), exists in every country in the world, affecting an estimated 50 million people globally. The 2023 Global Slavery Index covers 160 countries and highlights prevalence in places like North Korea, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, and South Sudan. (Wiki)

European countries began abolishing the slave trade in the 18th century. The consensus seems to be that slavery began due to economic needs for labour and was abolished through moral, economic, and political changes.

No one ever said Judeo-Christianity values are perfect. No one is asked to ignore things that can be changed or improved on. But the fact that you were born in or live in Australia makes you a very lucky human being.

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Do you still believe in Santa?

 

[QuietB]

My only experience is with Christianity, which was inflicted on me as a child, and later at various weddings funerals etc. Maybe my memory has failed , but i can't recall anything i'd classify as "hate speech ". Yes i know what's in the bible, but , Christianity by its very nature focussed on the new testament. Though not familiar with it, i wouldn't expect that the vast majority of Islamic clerics would have sermons that differ wildly from the Articals of faith, or the Pillars of Islam. The main branches of Christianity are part of a very strict hierarchy. Any stand alone Christian branches, especially with radically different views to the main branches, would risk being labelled a cult, and would be subject to hate speech laws if they acted in that manner.

In the USA the Westboro Baptist Church is considered a hate group, not protected by its claimed right as a religion, but by the constitution. I'd like to think that if such a group existed in Australia, the types of laws being discussed would shut them down.

My only experience with religion is sitting in church in my early life endlessly praying for the poor, the sick and refugees, and in my later life listening to "Christians" endlessly punch down on the poor, the sick and refugees.

 

[Gough]

Do you still believe in Santa?

That's different, the idea that a red faced old man in sled could deliver presents to the world's children is so absurd as to be unbelievable, unlike the tale of the bloke who came back to life after being dead for three days and who turned water into wine.

 

[Markfs]

Albanese, of course, is a catholic. I mention that because, like myself, he is strict follower of the rules. The other reason that I mention it is that other groups like to impose their will on others.

 

[10571z]

Albos hate speech laws are literally insane.

Every Australian needs to unite to push back. This is the first time I think id actually join a protest.

People calling for Israelis to be killed can be charged with hate speech. This goes both ways..

Google some of the UK cases of people spending years in prison. My god

 

[ferball]

You raise some interesting points. First "Judeo-Christian" wasn't created in America, it refers to the common roots of Judaism and Christianity, as well as shared values such as justice and human dignity.

So what you're saying is Judeo-Christian applies to Islam as well.

 

[ferball]

I will need some convincing. How easy is it for you to claim all things good are attributible to Judeo Christianity. Which conveniently ignores all things bad and must be attributable to some other foreign actor.

For your conclusion to be true, can you explain how these Judeo Christian values allowed such practices as Serfdom and Slavery in prior times. In my eyes, they don't offer much dignity or justice.

Western civilisation is based on the theft of other people's stuff and the idea that the people doing it deserve to do it cos they're somehow better than everyone else.

 

[Bloods86]

People calling for Israelis to be killed can be charged with hate speech. This goes both ways..

Um, isn't this a good thing? Not sure who you think you're speaking to here.

Calls for violence against civilians should be treated as hate speech.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

So what you're saying is Judeo-Christian applies to Islam as well.

You can find information about the three religions quite easily.

I think that’s enough off topic on a thread about Albanese. I won’t respond further.

 

[10571z]

Um, isn't this a good thing? Not sure who you think you're speaking to here.

Calls for violence against civilians should be treated as hate speech.

People on this forum have called for the annihilation of Israel.. that’s hate speech is it not?

 

[GrayRanga]

So what you're saying is Judeo-Christian applies to Islam as well.

Judeo Christian is verbal short hand for White Western Europeans.

No Muslims, Hindus or Buddhists; you know those people of different skin colour

Up until 1945, the expression would have been Aryan but after the discovery of the Holocaust and the systematic murder of 6 million Jews, the anti Semites turned all woke and plugged in an unused Judeo in frnt to blame the Nazi's rather than the actual residents of the occupied countries that facilitated the deaths

 

[Home Alone]

Christianity started within Judaism, and then became an independent religion. Since about the 19th century, the term Judeo-Christian is used to either describe this common heritage, or to show how Christianity developed from Judaism.

Australia's Constitution is influenced by Judeo Christian principles incorporating tested principles of fair government going back to the Magna Carta. (Australian Human Rights Commission) The Judeo-Christian tradition promoted ideas of social responsibility, individual worth, and equality, which are incorporated into modern liberal democracy.
Slavery, in the form of modern slavery (forced labor, forced marriage), exists in every country in the world, affecting an estimated 50 million people globally. The 2023 Global Slavery Index covers 160 countries and highlights prevalence in places like North Korea, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, and South Sudan. (Wiki)

European countries began abolishing the slave trade in the 18th century. The consensus seems to be that slavery began due to economic needs for labour and was abolished through moral, economic, and political changes.

No one ever said Judeo-Christianity values are perfect. No one is asked to ignore things that can be changed or improved on. But the fact that you were born in or live in Australia makes you a very lucky human being.

Not convinced. Your Judeo Christian values are driven by moral, economic and political change (your words). Hence always changing. And Judeo Christian values, given they are based on the scriptures would have to be static. Any change in interpretion would have to reflect the current moral, economic and political view.

I think you have disproved you arguement.

 

[ferball]

Judeo Christian is verbal short hand for White Western Europeans.

No Muslims, Hindus or Buddhists; you know those people of different skin colour

Up until 1945, the expression would have been Aryan but after the discovery of the Holocaust and the systematic murder of 6 million Jews, the anti Semites turned all woke and plugged in an unused Judeo in frnt to blame the Nazi's rather than the actual residents of the occupied countries that facilitated the deaths

I get that.

But Judaism, Christianity and Islam all worship the same "God". Abraham's god. Its the same critter.

 

[Bloods86]

People on this forum have called for the annihilation of Israel.. that’s hate speech is it not?

Have they called for Israel in its current form as an ethno-state (to some extent) to no longer exist? Are they talking about military conquest? Or have they specifically called for Israeli civilians to be killed?