Unsolved The Family Murders * BREAKING! Von Einem is dead

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VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed? Reportedly deceased.

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed

LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella

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[ClarityInChaos]

I can confirm that Gabby is 100% (full) post-op trans, she was big on the late 1990's-2000's gay scene and a regular drag performer at Mars and many other gay venues as they popped up over the years. Noting that many trans folk also perform drag, it's not just for gay guys in wigs. She was in a relationship with a guy called Dale for many years (in the 2000's) before marrying her doctor.

I appreciate your comment, though I am curious as to how you’re able to confirm this. Like, through you yourself seeing her there pre-operation? Or something along those lines?
I know that women (those actually born female) have also been performing as drag queens since the 1990’s.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

I appreciate your comment, though I am curious as to how you’re able to confirm this. Like, through you yourself seeing her there pre-operation? Or something along those lines?
I know that women (those actually born female) have also been performing as drag queens since the 1990’s.

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Go away.

 

[ClarityInChaos]

• respects sources anonymity
• expects an anonymous commenter to detail intimate details about their personal life and experiences.

Go away.

At first I’d considered that perhaps you were just having a bad day. Then maybe a bad couple of days. Then possibly a bad week. But as it’s continued to stretch out this far, I’m now at the point where it’s looking far more like this is actually just the way you speak to people. And that in itself is disappointing. Notice how others are able to ask questions and make comments in a respectful manner? And how every one of their comments is in turn answered in a respectful manner? Perhaps it’s time you do a little self reflection. Life feels a whole lot brighter when you go about your day with a positive mindset. Telling someone to go away, for replying to a comment that has nothing to do with you personally, is not it. Not only is it rude. It’s also completely out of context. I never asked for personal details. Much like I never asked to be the target of your ongoing tantrum.
Enough already. Find a more productive way to interact with people.

 

[nothing001]

• respects sources anonymity
• expects an anonymous commenter to detail intimate details about their personal life and experiences.

Go away.

It’s a reasonable question. I don’t see any intimate details being asked for. If they don’t wish to disclose they won’t. I am also interested to confirm that Mistress Gabrielle was previously male (although I already know she definitely was). It will provide some more knowledge into the workings of Colin Manock. It is all relevant

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

At first I’d considered that perhaps you were just having a bad day. Then maybe a bad couple of days. Then possibly a bad week. But as it’s continued to stretch out this far, I’m now at the point where it’s looking far more like this is actually just the way you speak to people. And that in itself is disappointing. Notice how others are able to ask questions and make comments in a respectful manner? And how every one of their comments is in turn answered in a respectful manner? Perhaps it’s time you do a little self reflection. Life feels a whole lot brighter when you go about your day with a positive mindset. Telling someone to go away, for replying to a comment that has nothing to do with you personally, is not it. Not only is it rude. It’s also completely out of context. I never asked for personal details. Much like I never asked to be the target of your ongoing tantrum.
Enough already. Find a more productive way to interact with people.

“Hi, confirm that you know personally that a biologically birthed male now has a vagina in place of their birthed genitals and please detail how you know this”


Respectfully - how did you land on the water beneath Morphett Street bridge being 30 centimetres deep? Respectfully, how did you confuse Clocker for Brian Gant? Respectfully, have you ever walked the banks (or in your words, shore) of the Torrens?

I don’t have a lot of time or patience for you, not after speaking to me from another profile, lying about my access to social media apps, and then setting up some sort of massive sting with BL.

 

[Zebo]

In most part, the ‘war’ that was going on between gay and straight men at the time. Men and teenage boys were going out of their way to attack gay men at the beats. Any time those cases were followed up by the police they’d be pardoned by saying ‘the guy came on to me’ or ‘he tried to touch me’ etc. The legalisation of homosexuality was still very new, and it was something that as a result of the outrage held over the Duncan drowning, and the public knowledge that it was at the hands of police, it seems officers did their best to ignore anything that could essentially reflect badly on them again in that regard. Not to mention that it was hugely speculated that the victims of the family were also gay (though entirely untrue). So straight boys coming forward stating that they’d been lured in and or assaulted by homosexual men was shrugged off as ‘so you were out trying to assault them and are trying to get away with it’.

I could be mistaken here, though off the top of my head the number of victims that spoke at the 1990 trial was either 9 or 8.

Fair comment re the 'gay panic' defence, although its application varied wildly. But the police were actively trying to lure stories of straight guys being picked up by gays. They got very few and, on close analysis, most of them do not hold up as 'pickup, drug, abuse by VE' stories at all. (Not saying a small number weren't 'pickup, drug, abuse' stories - just probably not VE.)

 

[ClarityInChaos]

Fair comment re the 'gay panic' defence, although its application varied wildly. But the police were actively trying to lure stories of straight guys being picked up by gays. They got very few and, on close analysis, most of them do not hold up as 'pickup, drug, abuse by VE' stories at all. (Not saying a small number weren't 'pickup, drug, abuse' stories - just probably not VE.)

I absolutely agree with the close analysis you’ve mentioned here. Ive had well into the hundreds of men reach out to me with their stories explaining their encounter with who they believe was VE. Some of these men were victims, others had clued on and not accepted the lift. Others ran and hid in bushes while ‘VE’ hunted for them. Others were all of 8 years old. Some explained how ‘VE’ had got out the car and chased them on foot. (that’s just a handful of the stories anyway). So while I don’t shrug off any of the experiences that are shared with me, it’s become very easy to work out which are related to VE, and which must have been another predator entirely.

 

[Angus Young]

I absolutely agree with the close analysis you’ve mentioned here. Ive had well into the hundreds of men reach out to me with their stories explaining their encounter with who they believe was VE. Some of these men were victims, others had clued on and not accepted the lift. Others ran and hid in bushes while ‘VE’ hunted for them. Others were all of 8 years old. Some explained how ‘VE’ had got out the car and chased them on foot. (that’s just a handful of the stories anyway). So while I don’t shrug off any of the experiences that are shared with me, it’s become very easy to work out which are related to VE, and which must have been another predator entirely.

100 per cent.

Can´t begin to think about the amount of time he was doing this for and how many were never reported etc before escalating to murder etc

Back in those days life was too easy for predators.

 

[Cendrillon]

I appreciate your comment, though I am curious as to how you’re able to confirm this. Like, through you yourself seeing her there pre-operation? Or something along those lines?
I know that women (those actually born female) have also been performing as drag queens since the 1990’s.

I used to know Gabby and her partner at the time Dale personally (I would not call myself a friend) and was very close friends with several of the people she used to produce live shows and perform with at Mars, etc. She was post-op trans (bottom surgery) for as long as I have known her, she used to have no qualms showing her "p*ssy" off in live performances, I have literally 100's of photos from these shows back in the days (early 2000's). She was a major person on the Adelaide gay scene in those days, very attractive but a voice like a truck driver. This was very much in her pre-dominatrix era!

 

[nothing001]

I used to know Gabby and her partner at the time Dale personally (I would not call myself a friend) and was very close friends with several of the people she used to produce live shows and perform with at Mars, etc. She was post-op trans (bottom surgery) for as long as I have known her, she used to have no qualms showing her "p*ssy" off in live performances, I have literally 100's of photos from these shows back in the days (early 2000's). She was a major person on the Adelaide gay scene in those days, very attractive but a voice like a truck driver. This was very much in her pre-dominatrix era!View attachment 2514013

That is interesting to know. Do you know how she met Colin Manock?

 

[ClarityInChaos]

I used to know Gabby and her partner at the time Dale personally (I would not call myself a friend) and was very close friends with several of the people she used to produce live shows and perform with at Mars, etc. She was post-op trans (bottom surgery) for as long as I have known her, she used to have no qualms showing her "p*ssy" off in live performances, I have literally 100's of photos from these shows back in the days (early 2000's). She was a major person on the Adelaide gay scene in those days, very attractive but a voice like a truck driver. This was very much in her pre-dominatrix era!View attachment 2514013

Thank you for your response. That’s very interesting! Did she openly speak about transitioning, or the operation in general? Not trying to cast any doubt on what you’re saying, but she looks incredibly feminine in this photo! Every photo I’ve seen of trans drag queens during that era appear quite masculine! If she really was born male, she must have had a huge chunk of money and a really good surgeon.

 

[whispers1111]

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The Who's Who List

• #2,647

VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed? Reportedly deceased.

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed

LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella

Out of Sight - The Untold Story of Adelaide's Gay Hate Murders

The Cases of Forensic Pathologist Colin Manock

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The Untold Story of Adelaide's Gay Hate Murders

Hi all first time posting I think we are maybe on the wrong path

 

[whispers1111]

Hi all first time posting I think we are maybe on the wrong path

What

If only this weak dog would give up information but seems unlikely

i can give you information my dad owned wings at the princess berkley then 110 North Terrace and 178 North Terrace the pedo all came out of Patches has anybody looked who owned it as per the gazette

Maybe not look up playboy on asic snuff films with little girls

 

[whispers1111]

Seeing how he apparently admitted to Beaumont and Adelaide Oval abductions anything he said would be taken with a grain of salt.

Kerry packer they try to destroy him

 

[whispers1111]

You can find his house on YouTube without much effort. As a forum member stated some time ago.

His house is on YouTube and can be found without a lot of effort. As a forum member said some time ago 'The business is essentially a front to maintain the suppression order:.

Trelor family helped ,e escape Adelaide so the clock shop is wrong

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Trelor family helped ,e escape Adelaide so the clock shop is wrong

Hi - could you try and type this out again, or potentially elaborate on what you’re suggesting/stating?

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

no further news stories on RL and his court case?

 

[squawk]

no further news stories on RL and his court case?

Back in Court next week

 

[Milli ene]

Thank you for your response. That’s very interesting! Did she openly speak about transitioning, or the operation in general? Not trying to cast any doubt on what you’re saying, but she looks incredibly feminine in this photo! Every photo I’ve seen of trans drag queens during that era appear quite masculine! If she really was born male, she must have had a huge chunk of money and a really good surgeon.

She looks stunning in this photo. And Clarity... My Uncle Trevor wasn't a trans, but he sure knew how to look fabulous, and also knew how to make others look fabulous too, whether it be what outfit looks divine, what jewellery, shoes and accessories to wear with it, and he could create hair styles to die for and apply makeup like a pro! He also knew how to sew and made some amazing costumes over the years. I have the photos to prove just how stunning his men/women and women/men could look! (Trevor was also a very keen photographer, and acclaimed artist as well!) Surgery might have been an important thing for some, but in my opinion, the scene was about being seen! Being noticed, being wanted and admired. Everyone talking about who looked the best, and who could pick up the most gorgeous (and youngest) most important person in the room that very night.
Forgive me if I am wrong. I could be. I haven't lived that scene. But I am educated enough I think.

 

[ClarityInChaos]

She looks stunning in this photo. And Clarity... My Uncle Trevor wasn't a trans, but he sure knew how to look fabulous, and also knew how to make others look fabulous too, whether it be what outfit looks divine, what jewellery, shoes and accessories to wear with it, and he could create hair styles to die for and apply makeup like a pro! He also knew how to sew and made some amazing costumes over the years. I have the photos to prove just how stunning his men/women and women/men could look! (Trevor was also a very keen photographer, and acclaimed artist as well!) Surgery might have been an important thing for some, but in my opinion, the scene was about being seen! Being noticed, being wanted and admired. Everyone talking about who looked the best, and who could pick up the most gorgeous (and youngest) most important person in the room that very night.
Forgive me if I am wrong. I could be. I haven't lived that scene. But I am educated enough I think.

You’re absolutely right about Trevor. From everything I’ve been told of him, he wasn’t trans. But he did perform as a drag queen in his younger years
I wasn’t even a thought, let alone born during that era, but from all that I’ve been told of that scene, the good ones certainly turned heads and confidence almost radiated off them, making their presence known.

 

[ClarityInChaos]

Hoping to get some thoughts on this.
When spoken to by police, SW stated along the lines of ‘I don’t have the skills to conduct such an operation’ in regard to Mark Langley. But he was a doctor working in the accident & emergency department at the Lyell McEwin Hospital.
To work as a doctor in that section of the hospital, he’d have to be pretty competent in his field. More so than the average doctor or GP would. In fact, wouldn’t the skills to conduct life saving measures of this nature be a requirement?
So was he just taken at his word? Believed without taking a closer look?
That seems really odd to me.

 

[InstinctivelyAlert]

Hoping to get some thoughts on this.
When spoken to by police, SW stated along the lines of ‘I don’t have the skills to conduct such an operation’ in regard to Mark Langley. But he was a doctor working in the accident & emergency department at the Lyell McEwin Hospital.
To work as a doctor in that section of the hospital, he’d have to be pretty competent in his field. More so than the average doctor or GP would. In fact, wouldn’t the skills to conduct life saving measures of this nature be a requirement?
So was he just taken at his word? Believed without taking a closer look?
That seems really odd to me.

It is worth remembering that in the same time era we had a pathologist who wasn’t certified or accredited to do the work.

 

[nothing001]

She looks stunning in this photo. And Clarity... My Uncle Trevor wasn't a trans, but he sure knew how to look fabulous, and also knew how to make others look fabulous too, whether it be what outfit looks divine, what jewellery, shoes and accessories to wear with it, and he could create hair styles to die for and apply makeup like a pro! He also knew how to sew and made some amazing costumes over the years. I have the photos to prove just how stunning his men/women and women/men could look! (Trevor was also a very keen photographer, and acclaimed artist as well!) Surgery might have been an important thing for some, but in my opinion, the scene was about being seen! Being noticed, being wanted and admired. Everyone talking about who looked the best, and who could pick up the most gorgeous (and youngest) most important person in the room that very night.
Forgive me if I am wrong. I could be. I haven't lived that scene. But I am educated enough I think.

There are some certain men that can look better as a woman than a man, even if they haven’t had plastic surgery, it just dependants on genetics. This is one example

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[ClarityInChaos]

It is worth remembering that in the same time era we had a pathologist who wasn’t certified or accredited to do the work.

I do appreciate you sharing your thoughts about this, but that pathologist wasn’t surrounded by people in constant emergency situations. Can you imagine a person is rushed to hospital with an arterial bleed for example, and the doctor goes “ah yes, I’m qualified to fix this” and then doesn’t have the slightest clue what he’s doing? Can you imagine that happening virtually every time a patient is brought into the emergency room?
There’s just no way of pretending you hold those qualifications in this particular field.

 

[diorama]

Hoping to get some thoughts on this.
When spoken to by police, SW stated along the lines of ‘I don’t have the skills to conduct such an operation’ in regard to Mark Langley. But he was a doctor working in the accident & emergency department at the Lyell McEwin Hospital.
To work as a doctor in that section of the hospital, he’d have to be pretty competent in his field. More so than the average doctor or GP would. In fact, wouldn’t the skills to conduct life saving measures of this nature be a requirement?
So was he just taken at his word? Believed without taking a closer look?
That seems really odd to me.

There's also this. He'd need a lot of help in his day job if he didn't have the skills, and not just for what was done to Mark.

He was part owner in a sports injury clinic in the much lower socio-economic northern area of Salisbury in the 1970's and 80's. The area was booming at the time and as a result so was sport which resulted in many football, rugby and soccer clubs being formed in the northern suburbs.

McInerney, Greg; Roles, Wendy. The Family Murders: 'Dissected' (Kindle Locations 2202-2204). Tablo Publishing. Kindle Edition.

Do you know if they searched the home he owned at the time of Mark's (and Neil's and Peter's) murder?