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On SRP you are responsible for backing up/verifying your claims to fact. What this means is that you will be asked time to time to support your claims with evidence, to ensure that this forum is as free of misinfomation as we can make it.

Do not post conspiracy theories on this forum. We have an entire other forum for that.

Thanks all.

 

[CrowToon]

No you havent addressed it

You said it was self defence but would wait for the investigation

Department of Homeland Security through that attachment have agreed he wasnt brandishing a gun ie an investigation that shows it wasnt self defence. Unless you can come up with a reason then your claim of self defence is invalid

As to the trolling - if you think it was trolling hit the report button

Go back and read the plethora of comments I made explaining the post. If you aren't interested in listening to someone else and can only be bothered with your own narrative then that is a matter for you.

 

[GreyCrow]

Go back and read the plethora of comments I made explaining the post. If you aren't interested in listening to someone else and can only be bothered with your own narrative then that is a matter for you.

Its a preposterous claim. I have read the posts - it was mostly you crying that people didnt understand you because you would wait for an investigation all while being adamant it was self defence

It wasnt self defence - if you cant admit you were wrong then that is a matter for you

 

[Jameggins]

No. People jumped on a post that contained those words. I explained why I used those words. Some people chose not to listen. It was tiresome and juvenile.

This is your rush to judgement. Your first thought was to judge that the victim deserved it. That they made their choice and that's why they got executed. Your attempt to back away doesn't change the fact that your first contribution was to decide that the victim deserved it.

People following agents around are finding out.

People not following agents around have no trouble.

Everyone gets to make their choice at the beginning of each day.

 

[CrowToon]

Its a preposterous claim. I have read the posts - it was mostly you crying that people didnt understand you because you would wait for an investigation all while being adamant it was self defence

It wasnt self defence - if you cant admit you were wrong then that is a matter for you

Let's cut the emotive crap.

I used the phrase when I explained that people can have differing views.

People didn't get it (or didn't want to) and so I provided the context.

Seemingly you and some others didn't want a bar of it and decided that you had more of a right to control my views than I did. Just think about that for 1 minute. Imagine feeling it is okay to tell someone else what their views are. It's a disgraceful tactic and not one worthy of respectful and mature debate.

For a thread where you all talk about evidence, evidence, evidence it is astounding that you do not allow people to explain themselves and instead prefer to do it for them.

I have been nothing but clear and consistent. The incident involving the attempted murder of an agent with the car was self-defence in my view. I won't change that. This other incident I was more interested in waiting for the full story. I have been consistent on that. Somehow despite that I have been both told I shouldn't need to wait for the investigation AND that I apparently rushed in to make judgment. Those things can't both be true yet here we are.

But no, if you and others are going to insist on speaking on my behalf and then constantly accusing me of 'crying' when I dare try to retain autonomy of MY views then I will just leave.

Im not expecting anyone to remotely care about my absence but don't you or any of your mates behave like this and then have the gall to tag and mention me in posts as has happened multiple times now.

There is a reason your side of the debate is running out of people to converse with and are desperate enough to tag people back in and it isn't that you are supreme debaters - people are just sick of the way you treat them.

Stop focusing on the person and just call out the message or behaviour and you might have more success.

 

[Gough]

Bruce.

 

[CrowToon]

This is your rush to judgement. Your first thought was to judge that the victim deserved it. That they made their choice and that's why they got executed. Your attempt to back away doesn't change the fact that your first contribution was to decide that the victim deserved it.

The point of that post is that deciding you are going to willingly put yourself into a dangerous and high pressure situation is a dumb one and one that comes with the risk of consequences.

And to do it after the Good saga - wowee. They are choosing to play with fire and then whinging when they get burnt.

There are peaceful ways to protest the operations. They are choosing harrassment snd obstruction.

That doesn't mean I have decided whether that particular incident was self-defence or not.

I provided a holistic view and what I see are extremely poor decisions on the part of the radicals who seek to interfere in business that is not their own.

That man had the choice to stay away that day and it was a choice that would've meant he was still alive today.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

This is quite childish

Yet you are the one who keeps shamelessly deflecting in the face of compelling mounting evidence

 

[CrowToon]

Yet you are the one who keeps shamelessly deflecting in the face of compelling mounting evidence

And you don't have to respect or agree with my view but stop trying to bait me with rubbish. I don't do that to you or others so don't lump our conduct in together. Just stick to the topic.

 

[Jameggins]

The point of that post is that deciding you are going to willingly put yourself into a dangerous and high pressure situation is a dumb one and one that comes with the risk of consequences.

And to do it after the Good saga - wowee. They are choosing to play with fire and then whinging when they get burnt.

There are peaceful ways to protest the operations. They are choosing harrassment snd obstruction.

That doesn't mean I have decided whether that particular incident was self-defence or not.

I provided a holistic view and what I see are extremely poor decisions on the part of the radicals who seek to interfere in business that is not their own.

That man had the choice to stay away that day and it was a choice that would've meant he was still alive today.

So again, you are happy to rush to judge the person who was executed, but not the Gestapo agents who executed him. This whole post is you blaming the victim.

 

[CrowToon]

So again, you are happy to rush to judge the person who was executed, but not the Gestapo agents who executed him. This whole post is you blaming the victim.

I'll try to make this clear.

Referencing ALL anti-ICE protestere:

They can each make a decision to choose safety by not deliberately putting themselves in harms way. Before anyone twists my words and thinks I'm advocating violence against them let me be clear. I am advocating that people take reasonable steps to minimise their risk of harm. These people have alternative options to make their point than putting themselves between federal agents and their jobs. If you go bushwalking it's a reasonable option to choose to stick to the defined track. It is possible to leave the track but doing so increases your risk of harm, the bush isn't necessarily intending to hurt you but things may go wrong.

Referencing that one particular incident:
I have never suggested self-defence. I am reserving judgment.


If anyone chooses to speak on my behalf about this incident then they are deliberately ignoring my position, or being so entitled they feel they own the right to form my opinion for me. End of.

 

[adelaidecrows]

With Noem is blaming Miller for her making her statement and Miller is now trying to pass it on to Bovino and the ICE agents on the ground, I would say they are coming to the realisation they messed up and trying to throw each other under the bus.

I can't help to think that Pretti would have still labelled a domestic terrorist or painted as someone intent on mass killing if there wasn't video of every conceivable angle to the shooting and the lead up to it.

I have no doubt with ICE/homeland security leading the investigation into itself (conflict of interest) that the investigation would be manipulated to match the predetermined narrative of Noem and Miller if there wasn't so much video evidence made public.

Due to the video evidence it gives the investigators very little wiggle room to manipulate the investigation to suit the narrative.

Where I think its at is planning the narrative around an almost certain arrest of the ICE agents.

They have just been placed on suspension sorry administrative leave. so really its only a matter of time. The hold up is likely just optics. how can they frame the guilt of the ice agents without conceding all the fake power they manufactured for themselves.

 

[adelaidecrows]

So again, you are happy to rush to judge the person who was executed, but not the Gestapo agents who executed him. This whole post is you blaming the victim.

i wonder at what point they realise the white house is no longer running the absurd narrative

 

[Sarcoidevo]

And you don't have to respect or agree with my view but stop trying to bait me with rubbish. I don't do that to you or others so don't lump our conduct in together. Just stick to the topic.

No one is baiting you mate ..... we just don't agree with your opinion

Your beloved ICE agents are stalking, assaulting & detaining innocent legally abiding people .... they have also murdered in plain sight

Renee Good did not try and murder an ICE Agent ....... Alex Pretti did not try and massacre ICE agents and did not deserve to be executed for directing traffic, protecting a fellow protester and for carrying a concealed weapon which he was legally allowed to carry and that he never touched as he was being brutally assaulted

So yeah I and others here are very happy & comfortable to call out your school of thought when the mounting evidence that weighs against your point of view is clear & compelling

 

[adelaidecrows]

I'll try to make this clear.

Referencing ALL anti-ICE protestere:

They can each make a decision to choose safety by not deliberately putting themselves in harms way. Before anyone twists my words and thinks I'm advocating violence against them let me be clear. I am advocating that people take reasonable steps to minimise their risk of harm. These people have alternative options to make their point than putting themselves between federal agents and their jobs. If you go bushwalking it's a reasonable option to choose to stick to the defined track. It is possible to leave the track but doing so increases your risk of harm, the bush isn't necessarily intending to hurt you but things may go wrong.

Referencing that one particular incident:
I have never suggested self-defence. I am reserving judgment.


If anyone chooses to speak on my behalf about this incident then they are deliberately ignoring my position, or being so entitled they feel they own the right to form my opinion for me. End of.

they are not standing in front of a tank. They are walking in front of under trained agents lets get that straight. its not harms way. You saying this is a pathetic attempt to say the death penalty was authorised.

 

[TheSunGod]

The White House and Stephen Miller are changing their tune on the shooting. Suggests to me the legal council and experts within the DOJ sent Trump a memo saying run the narrative all you like but the ICE agent is cooked

The autopsy on Alex Pretti will be all that’s needed to screw them all. Bullet entry wounds to the back, back of the head etc.

 

[adelaidecrows]

The autopsy on Alex Pretti will be all that’s needed to screw them all. Bullet entry wounds to the back, back of the head etc.

there is no saving them. the white house would be merely trying to figure out the correct language to run the narrative of these guys are guilty but Alex was his worst enemy and this changes nothing.

 

[CrowToon]

No one is baiting you mate ..... we just don't agree with your opinion

Your beloved ICE agents are stalking, assaulting & detaining innocent legally abiding people .... they have also murdered in plain sight

Renee Good did not try and murder an ICE Agent ....... Alex Pretti did not try and massacre ICE agents and did not deserve to be executed for directing traffic, protecting a fellow protester and for carrying a concealed weapon which he was legally allowed to carry and that he never touched as he was being brutally assaulted

So yeah I and others here are very happy & comfortable to call out your school of thought when the mounting evidence that weighs against your point of view is clear & compelling

So you can stick to judging my views not me the person. Stop making references to me being a fascist. Play the behaviour or statement, not the person. They aren't as cosmically linked as you might think.

 

[CrowToon]

they are not standing in front of a tank. They are walking in front of under trained agents lets get that straight. its not harms way. You saying this is a pathetic attempt to say the death penalty was authorised.

Try, just once, not putting words in my mouth.

 

[TheSunGod]

Bruce.

Not a bad tune from the boss, apparently written and released over the weekend. I see Neil Young has also given his entire music archive to the people of Greenland.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Try, just once, not putting words in my mouth.

try not to inferr it then. Dont be like Rucci, say things with inference but then hide behind the statement of I didnt say that. You sure as shit inferred it.

 

[pjcrows]

"I have very strong opinions and clear explanations about everything - except when it's detrimental to Trump Co. In which case it's just all very confusing and unclear"

 

[Gough]

Not a bad tune from the boss, apparently written and released over the weekend. I see Neil Young has also given his entire music archive to the people of Greenland.

Shakey's smoking pot again which will have improved his mood no end. He wrote Waging Heavy Peace when he'd given it up and it read like he just desperately needed a smoke.

 

[adelaidecrows]

"I have very strong opinions and clear explanations about everything - except when it's detrimental to Trump Co. In which case it's just all very confusing and unclear"

I feel you. Im a massive fan of the 2nd amendment and love the idea of concealed carry laws. Can carry a gun at all times, its why so many republicans voted for Trump, preserve the 2nd amendment.....except if its to an anti Trump and ICE protest then you are just asking to be executed.

 

[Leon Higgins]

When examining these murders of US citizens, one needs to examine the leadership and the messages they send out.

When Trump pardoned the ‘January 6 patriots’, he made it very clear to everyone that if you commit violence on others in support of me, then I will look after you.

JD Vance then stated that the agents have absolute immunity after murdering Renee Goods. This again sent the message that you can do anything without repercussion.

I suspect that the agents that murdered Alex Pretti did this on the understanding they were immune from prosecution.

It’s a failure of leadership at the highest level that needs addressing.

 

[QuietB]

I'll try to make this clear.

Referencing ALL anti-ICE protestere:

They can each make a decision to choose safety by not deliberately putting themselves in harms way. Before anyone twists my words and thinks I'm advocating violence against them let me be clear. I am advocating that people take reasonable steps to minimise their risk of harm. These people have alternative options to make their point than putting themselves between federal agents and their jobs. If you go bushwalking it's a reasonable option to choose to stick to the defined track. It is possible to leave the track but doing so increases your risk of harm, the bush isn't necessarily intending to hurt you but things may go wrong.

Referencing that one particular incident:
I have never suggested self-defence. I am reserving judgment.


If anyone chooses to speak on my behalf about this incident then they are deliberately ignoring my position, or being so entitled they feel they own the right to form my opinion for me. End of.

You are basically saying everyone must conform and if they don't the consequences are their own fault.

That is not democracy.