List Mgmt. 2026 List Management

[Old navy]

Agree, we definitely look better balanced across the park. There’s more spread, more pressure, and multiple avenues to goal rather than relying on one bloke.

That said, we do need to be patient. but a side like Sydney will absolutely carve it up this year with someone like Gulden delivering lace-out to Charlie. We’ve just got to let this new setup build.

Yeah I get that, it’s never good when a superstar leaves your club, no doubt losing Charlie is gonna sting but I can’t remember the last time I saw Charlie lay a big chase down tackle or even attempt one and I’m certainly not gonna miss holding my breath every time he jumped for a pack mark.
Your definitely right we need to be patient and keep building the list, we traded well to help get us out of a bad situation with Charlie wanting out, now we need to keep building with the draft capital we got from the Curnow trade.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

And other clubs can offer them contracts like what happened with Oleg Markov.

....and Anthony Caminiti.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

....and Anthony Caminiti.

.... and Trent Knobel ... and Matt McGuire ....

 

[Abers]

It was dumb to give Cerra five years at the time and looks even dumber now. Hard to be a competitive football side when you constantly make stupid list management decisions.

 

[Blue and Silver]

I think we are taking a pre-season hamstring a little too seriously.

If he does it again before Round 10, then I will be onboard with it being a bad call to extend him so long

 

[marleyblue]

A bit of hysteria over Cerra. I recall supporters suggesting Cripps was washed up a few years ago; Curnow would never recover after the knee issues; Harry's concussion/mental health too big a risk for the long-term contract; and Walsh would never get back to the heights of his early years.

It's not ideal that he's done another hammy but he's 26 and by all accounts, locked in for 5 years reportedly on around $600k. He is worth the risk on those $ He will remain a key player for the next few years and hopefully is slotted into a role that maximises his strengths. Like Walsh, he can play inside but both are better utilised as receivers or Cerra potentially off half-back.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Yeah I get that, it’s never good when a superstar leaves your club, no doubt losing Charlie is gonna sting but I can’t remember the last time I saw Charlie lay a big chase down tackle or even attempt one and I’m certainly not gonna miss holding my breath every time he jumped for a pack mark.
Your definitely right we need to be patient and keep building the list, we traded well to help get us out of a bad situation with Charlie wanting out, now we need to keep building with the draft capital we got from the Curnow trade.

It does sound like sour grapes but a Baggers fan rang up Kane yesterday and said he was initially gutted to lose Charlie but then, in hindsight said he'd been thinking back through the last few years how many times that Charlie kicked a bag of goals in 'big' games and said he struggled to remember ?

I can think of the 6 goals against Collingwood in late 2023 ? 4 goals and BOG in the last gasp win against Gold Coast in 2023 to make finals.

 

[katmanblue]

players that are natural goal kickers, who convert their chances, players that actually know how to crum the footy,

We'll drum that out of them soon enough.

 

[The Bighouse]

A bit of hysteria over Cerra. I recall supporters suggesting Cripps was washed up a few years ago; Curnow would never recover after the knee issues; Harry's concussion/mental health too big a risk for the long-term contract; and Walsh would never get back to the heights of his early years.

It's not ideal that he's done another hammy but he's 26 and by all accounts, locked in for 5 years reportedly on around $600k. He is worth the risk on those $ He will remain a key player for the next few years and hopefully is slotted into a role that maximises his strengths. Like Walsh, he can play inside but both are better utilised as receivers or Cerra potentially off half-back.

Just can’t get around the Cerra as HBF’er. He’s a midfielder and should be dominating in that role. Gotta be aiming for AA & consistently, as was the potential when he joined us.

 

[gbatman]

I don't think the new ruck rules are going to revolutionise the midfield contests as much as some predict.
I'd settle for an adequate ruckman that is strong aerially and hits the scoreboard...2 HOK's might be the new prototype.

The new last disposal rule will have a bigger game changing impact.

I'm not sure about this, I think those rucks who can jump and have the height to get up high will be having a bigger impact. I think those who typically don't jump and used to rely on getting under the ball and using their body are going to really struggle at centre bounce.

 

[BluStreak]

The new ruck rules overtly favour the jumping ruck type. I believe that the smart ruck will have a way of nullifying that leap. It is only at the centre ball up that it impacts the game.
The leaper will look to use the other rucks body to gain extension. If that body is not there then they will have to time their leap to perfection each time otherwise the ruck who stays down (out of the way) gets it. That does not mean they don't compete it is just avoiding being the step ladder.

Watching Pitto vs Fort in that game I thought Pitto was quite serviceable but it was Levi Ashcroft roving that actually negated most of ruck taps. Levi appeared to read both rucks very well and was rarely stopped.

 

[JJBagger]

The new ruck rules overtly favour the jumping ruck type. I believe that the smart ruck will have a way of nullifying that leap. It is only at the centre ball up that it impacts the game.

Watching Pitto vs Fort in that game I thought Pitto was quite serviceable but it was Levi Ashcroft roving that actually negated most of ruck taps. Levi appeared to read both rucks very well and was rarely stopped.

It’s like every rule - teams will try expose it or find a loophole one way or another. By about round 12, the non-leaping ruckman will be valuable again

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Barrass was connected to Mitchell due to his assistant coaching days.
No other Vic team was in the running and as we know from Mitchell's other poaching efforts, this was done very early in the process.

So because there is a connection with a player and previous assistant coach/ coach, we just don't put our hand in the ring?

Our list management team were caught sitting on their hands with this one.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

After the fact, do you feel there's still mismanagement/oversights from the 2025 trade period?

Finally the list management team understand that to win a flag, you need to bat deeper than your top 6-8 players. 2025 trade period was the start of a proper list build.

 

[Pablito]

So because there is a connection with a player and previous assistant coach/ coach, we just don't put our hand in the ring?

Our list management team were caught sitting on their hands with this one.

Yeh disagree. To that point he had never played more than 20 games in a year. Another great players who is injured more often than he should be. Also best years are behind him.

Great player, not sure it was a massive miss though.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

In theory, the new rules should favour the leaping rucks, but a high quality midfield combo will negate any advantage.
I kept a close eye on TDK vs. Witts last night, didn't notice any glaring difference to previous encounters.
It appears very difficult to out jump a big, smart opponent for the duration of the game.

TDK's best asset is his involvement in general play, and even that hasn't been any where near $1.7m worth so far.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Yeh disagree. To that point he had never played more than 20 games in a year. Another great players who is injured more often than he should be. Also best years are behind him.

Great player, not sure it was a massive miss though.

I think the point is being missed here. My suggestion is that our list management team were sleeping at the wheel when it came to Barrass (or any other key back in the comp for that matter). For as long as Weitering has been at our club, (bar a brief period when Jones was a backman), we have only had him as our main key defender. Regardless of if Barrass was considering only Hawthorn (which I know he wasn't), our list management team did not even pick up the phone to ask the question.

 

[FoeverBlues]

I think the point is being missed here. My suggestion is that our list management team were sleeping at the wheel when it came to Barrass (or any other key back in the comp for that matter). For as long as Weitering has been at our club, (bar a brief period when Jones was a backman), we have only had him as our main key defender. Regardless of if Barrass was considering only Hawthorn (which I know he wasn't), our list management team did not even pick up the phone to ask the question.

or maybe we did ask

 

[lily of laguna]

So because there is a connection with a player and previous assistant coach/ coach, we just don't put our hand in the ring?

Our list management team were caught sitting on their hands with this one.

What I'm saying is that because of the connection between player/coach, Barrass was keen and committed to go to the Hawks. As you know player movements are often determined by these sorts of connections and relationships, we like any other Vic team had no chance because he had already committed to the Hawks and Mitchell.

I can confidently say that list managers get the news early but often the deal would have already been agreed upon unless the player manager is given the ok to test the market.

 

[lily of laguna]

I think the point is being missed here. My suggestion is that our list management team were sleeping at the wheel when it came to Barrass (or any other key back in the comp for that matter). For as long as Weitering has been at our club, (bar a brief period when Jones was a backman), we have only had him as our main key defender. Regardless of if Barrass was considering only Hawthorn (which I know he wasn't), our list management team did not even pick up the phone to ask the question.

I agree we have needed to get a tall defender for a few seasons, thankfully we have now got some new blood in with Dean and hopefully Derksen.

I don't think Barrass was going anywhere else for already mentioned reasons and if he was open to other offers we certainly would have seen the Bulldogs at the very least try.

 

[Stamos]

I think the point is being missed here. My suggestion is that our list management team were sleeping at the wheel when it came to Barrass (or any other key back in the comp for that matter). For as long as Weitering has been at our club, (bar a brief period when Jones was a backman), we have only had him as our main key defender. Regardless of if Barrass was considering only Hawthorn (which I know he wasn't), our list management team did not even pick up the phone to ask the question.

Not going after a very expensive (contract and trade) 29 year old key defender is hardly being asleep at the wheel.

Would have cost us more than just Jagga, let alone the contract we'd be holding.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Not going after a very expensive (contract and trade) 29 year old key defender is hardly being asleep at the wheel.

Would have cost us more than just Jagga, let alone the contract we'd be holding.

Agree looking at it as a 1 year proposition.

I think we prioritised other recruits in the last 5ish years though, which left us with neither the salary cap nor surplus trade assets.

Bringing in Williams on big money, Saad and Cerra trades using high picks, the endless picks, rookie list spots and SSPs we used on trying to find a decent small forward.

That is a long list of other opportunities to bring in another good KPD. Not to say we didn't try a bit: Young, JSOS conversion etc.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Agree looking at it as a 1 year proposition.

I think we prioritised other recruits in the last 5ish years though, which left us with neither the salary cap nor surplus trade assets.

Bringing in Williams on big money, Saad and Cerra trades using high picks, the endless picks, rookie list spots and SSPs we used on trying to find a decent small forward.

That is a long list of other opportunities to bring in another good KPD. Not to say we didn't try a bit: Young, JSOS conversion etc.

I think most clubs would've been thrilled to have landed all three of those players, though yes it would've been great to get a KPD in. That's fair. We do have two great young prospects on the list now though.

 

[Old navy]

In theory, the new rules should favour the leaping rucks, but a high quality midfield combo will negate aby advantage.
I kept a close eye on TDK vs. Witts last night, didn't notice any glaring difference to previous encounters.
It appears very difficult to out jump a big, smart opponent for the duration of the game.

TDK's best asset is his involvement in general play, and even that hasn't been any where near $1.7m worth so far.

The Saints were very happy with how he played yesterday, many making the call that he’ll be the AA Ruckman this year,
the thing is I recon he could be a chance, he was playing really well in the early stages of last season, if he had of kept up that pace all year he would’ve gone close to AA last year.
But even a one time AA Ruckman isn’t worth paying 1.7 mill over 8 years, it’s just to big a risk to pay a player that much money over that much time, just based on potential.

Even still I’m sure we’re gonna get some monuments that sting from TDK this years

 

[Blue__Balls]

A bit of hysteria over Cerra. I recall supporters suggesting Cripps was washed up a few years ago; Curnow would never recover after the knee issues; Harry's concussion/mental health too big a risk for the long-term contract; and Walsh would never get back to the heights of his early years.

It's not ideal that he's done another hammy but he's 26 and by all accounts, locked in for 5 years reportedly on around $600k. He is worth the risk on those $ He will remain a key player for the next few years and hopefully is slotted into a role that maximises his strengths. Like Walsh, he can play inside but both are better utilised as receivers or Cerra potentially off half-back.

And now we're praying for that to be the case