Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

He missed his chance. The time to come was last year. This year we'll be selling the farm for Butters.

 

[Mofra]

We would really need to believe our team defence and structure can hold up because he still has a lot of heart in mouth moments and like Lobb plays better as a loose man.

The way we played on the weekend he'd swap in for JOD nicely. Good size

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

The way we played on the weekend he'd swap in for JOD nicely. Good size

I may be misquoting stats here, but I think someone shared that we faced 6 1v1s in our d50, while Brisbane faced something like 17? It's clearly been a result of an adjustment to our game plan that we're aiming to avoid our keys being isolated, whereas Brisbane's talls can be backed to at least neutralize the contest. Agree with you - swap Keane for JOD and we're a considerably stronger side.

I'd imagine if we wanted to go down the path of stronger 1 on 1 key defenders and allowing for even contests down back, we'd have chased Butts instead of Keane

 

[Mofra]

I may be misquoting stats here, but I think someone shared that we faced 6 1v1s in our d50, while Brisbane faced something like 17? It's clearly been a result of an adjustment to our game plan that we're aiming to avoid our keys being isolated, whereas Brisbane's talls can be backed to at least neutralize the contest. Agree with you - swap Keane for JOD and we're a considerably stronger side.

I'd imagine if we wanted to go down the path of stronger 1 on 1 key defenders and allowing for even contests down back, we'd have chased Butts instead of Keane

We also slingshot out of the back half quite a bit. Butts is a much slower user of the ball than Keane, who also moves very well for his size.

 

[dogwatch]

Libba's likely final year. We need to protect Bont so he can rest forward. Kennedy not getting any younger.
He needs to hold out for one more year.

Kennedy's only 28 (soon to be 29) if that's who you're referring to. I'd hope he could play at this level for at least a couple more years. He's certainly been a great acquisition at no great cost to us.

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

We also slingshot out of the back half quite a bit. Butts is a much slower user of the ball than Keane, who also moves very well for his size.

Keane really would be a fantastic fit in our side. He's explored a trade back to Vic twice now (actively tried to get to Pies, then "considered" our offer but Crows rejected) so I'd imagine the interest will remain.

I know everyone's quite high on Sanders at the moment, but if losing Sanders got us Keane and still allowed for a Butters deal to happen, it's an absolute no-brainer imo. We have Hynes and Freijah as developing mids with huge upside, have drafted some extremely promising small/medium defenders in recent years (Sellwood, Jaques, Carmichael) as well as talls coming through (Emmett, WDarcy, Croft). There's no obvious gaps among the development group that would require immediate attention in the draft; throwing everything to get Keane and Butters gives us zero excuses for not being a prelim mainstay for years to come

 

[bobs head soup]

I may be misquoting stats here, but I think someone shared that we faced 6 1v1s in our d50, while Brisbane faced something like 17? It's clearly been a result of an adjustment to our game plan that we're aiming to avoid our keys being isolated, whereas Brisbane's talls can be backed to at least neutralize the contest. Agree with you - swap Keane for JOD and we're a considerably stronger side.

I'd imagine if we wanted to go down the path of stronger 1 on 1 key defenders and allowing for even contests down back, we'd have chased Butts instead of Keane

A notable adjustment for me was that we worked a lot harder at protecting the corridor. It's a lot harder for the other team to get the ball in quickly when they are being forced to go wide.

 

[bobs head soup]

It's very funny that Carlton fans defend that decision and point to George Hewett's season as a reason to justify it. Carlton have no idea.

I suspect they let MK go for culture reasons.

He's a hardworking, humble team man who just couldn't fit in.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Zak Butters

9

Zak Butters

Age

25

Ht

181cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.3

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.8

3star

D

14.7

4star

K

8.9

4star

HB

5.9

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.1

3star

D

17.0

5star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

Mark Keane
Levi West
Jaxon Cooney
El Souki'

All in one off season?

Sign me up.

 

[Doggy]

Zak Butters
Mark Keane
Levi West
Jaxon Cooney
El Souki'

All in one off season?

Sign me up.

Hok Mariel?

 

[HK_Bulldog]

Zak Butters
Mark Keane
Levi West
Jaxon Cooney
El Souki'

All in one off season?

After winning the premiership

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

Zak Butters
Mark Keane
Levi West
Jaxon Cooney
El Souki'

All in one off season?

Sign me up.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Hok Mariel?

****, forgot about Hok.

We're gonna need to do some serious shuffling to get what we need for this off season.

 

[Golden_6]

Keane is contracted. Not sure how wed possibly land him & Butters, unless someone like Sanders leaves.

He’s probably worth a pick in the teens alongside the 3 first rounders at least needed for Butters.

 

[grassman75]

He missed his chance. The time to come was last year. This year we'll be selling the farm for Butters.

Wasn’t Keane enough

 

[grassman75]

After winning the premiership

Just call us Brisbane

 

[Sharkey66]

****, forgot about Hok.

We're gonna need to do some serious shuffling to get what we need for this off season.

So who comes off the list to fit them all in?
Libba
Treloar
?
?
?

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

So who comes off the list to fit them all in?
Libba
Treloar
?
?
?

West, Cooney, Marial and El Souki would all be on draftee contracts. Any trade ins would be funded by money set aside for the Wilkie/Keane pursuit / removal of the JUH contract, plus retirement of Harmes. It's made easier if Libba and Treloar retire, if Busslinger gets traded, Coffield delisted, and especially if Sanders is traded.

I honestly don't think we'd have any trouble fitting in Butters to begin with, and can easily see one more big contract on top given all the space being freed up over the last few years.

Unless you meant list spots, in which case:
Libba (retire), Treloar (retire), Busslinger (trade), Coffield (delist), Garcia (trade), McNeil (delist), Gardner (retire/delist). Then guys like Walker, Kennedy, Smith and Gags are out of contract and will need to earn their next contracts

 

[HK_Bulldog]

West, Cooney, Marial and El Souki would all be on draftee contracts. Any trade ins would be funded by money set aside for the Wilkie/Keane pursuit / removal of the JUH contract, plus retirement of Harmes. It's made easier if Libba and Treloar retire, if Busslinger gets traded, Coffield delisted, and especially if Sanders is traded.

I honestly don't think we'd have any trouble fitting in Butters to begin with, and can easily see one more big contract on top given all the space being freed up over the last few years.

Unless you meant list spots, in which case:
Libba (retire), Treloar (retire), Busslinger (trade), Coffield (delist), Garcia (trade), McNeil (delist), Gardner (retire/delist). Then guys like Walker, Kennedy, Smith and Gags are out of contract and will need to earn their next contracts

Garcia is contracted and don’t think anyone will be interested so he stays. Libba might get another year. Agree with the rest barring a Baker like resurrection. Khamis may have another look depending on whether he stays in the team or not.

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

Garcia is contracted and don’t think anyone will be interested so he stays. Libba might get another year. Agree with the rest barring a Baker like resurrection. Khamis may have another look depending on whether he stays in the team or not.

Yeah we have Garcia for 2027 but I figured given the prior interest from West Coast and Port that we couldn't rule out a trade (and he would presumably have a similar contract size to Harmes - replacing that with a draftee contract potentially frees up another $300-400k per year). Hoping we extend Khamis in the first half of this year provided the last few weeks haven't been a complete fluke. Really like the look of him down back and I'm glad he's settled in a position now

 

[grassman75]

Garcia is contracted and don’t think anyone will be interested so he stays. Libba might get another year. Agree with the rest barring a Baker like resurrection. Khamis may have another look depending on whether he stays in the team or not.

Unless he completely drops off a cliff, I can see Libba going again. He’s durable like his old man and seems to be ageing like fine wine

 

[Sharkey66]

West, Cooney, Marial and El Souki would all be on draftee contracts. Any trade ins would be funded by money set aside for the Wilkie/Keane pursuit / removal of the JUH contract, plus retirement of Harmes. It's made easier if Libba and Treloar retire, if Busslinger gets traded, Coffield delisted, and especially if Sanders is traded.

I honestly don't think we'd have any trouble fitting in Butters to begin with, and can easily see one more big contract on top given all the space being freed up over the last few years.

Unless you meant list spots, in which case:
Libba (retire), Treloar (retire), Busslinger (trade), Coffield (delist), Garcia (trade), McNeil (delist), Gardner (retire/delist). Then guys like Walker, Kennedy, Smith and Gags are out of contract and will need to earn their next contracts

Yes, was meaning list spots.
Just interested to hear people's views on who is likely to make way at seasons end

 

[Sharkey66]

Unless he completely drops off a cliff, I can see Libba going again. He’s durable like his old man and seems to be ageing like fine wine

Garcia is an interesting one.
He well and truly deserved his spot in the seniors last season, but i cant help but think he actually made us a worse side by forcing others into different roles just to fit him in.
Kennedy and Sanders both dropped off a bit after Garcia came into the side in my opinion.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Twomey saying Butters will get offers of $2m for 10 years. If you can front load a heap of it you’d do it. You’d think we’d be able to given some of the cap space we’ve cleared the last few years.

 

[Bulldogs85]

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