Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott

[ant555]

Yeah the kids are the reason we're 1 and 20.

Shit argument.
No be one is saying it is costing us wins.
The simple fact is it makes us a bit worse as the team defence goes backwards a bit by doing it.
You lose more games by 10 goals rather than 6 or 7 goals.

 

[Tazdog]

Persist with Scott.

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say that he was a great coach and it took them 5-6 years to start seeing proper progress before they made some prelims says it all for me. Hardwick had 8 years too before Richmond came good. This is how long it takes to build a premiership caliber list after gutting out all of the shite and mediocre selfish players. Clarko is finally starting to see results with norf after 4 years and some of the young players maturing.
Some of you may look to Hawkes, GWS, Melbourne and their coaches as to why we can't come good quickly. Answer is simple- they have many things we don't;
1. Excellent club culture
2. A grade talent
3. A wealth of finals experience

This is why Essendon, Carlton, St Kilda all stuck in mediocrity, because we have none of the above. Since Brad has come in, there is no argument as to the fact he has improved our club culture.

As to the A grade talent he and rosa have done a great job on that. Gotten rid of 40 players, at least 35 of them pedestrians. Not trading our first round picks, maximising amount of top end talent with savvy trading and drafting Kako, Caddy, Roberts, Sharp, Farrow, Robey. A grade talent and more to come end of this year. tick.

But with all of this great list management comes the obvious downfall of significant inexperience leading to not many wins. And I ****en hate not winning, but I'm glad were doing it the hard way than getting stupid top ups that will get us to 7-10th place and get flogged in another elimination final.

The point I'm trying to make is I'm glad we've taken a different route rather than 20 years of the same shit and the same results and the same embarrassment and shame of being an Essendon fan. And with a list strategy as bold as this, and the level of where our young talent is at- no coach in the afl is making finals. There's no point in sacking him. Let him see out his contract, and if we're showing good signs next year give him another couple. But we probably won't start showing these signs until our young players gain the necessary 30-50 games of experience. So, persist with Scott.

 

[Chief Hopper]

He gets better results with

Setterfield, Gresham, Guelfi, Mckay, Caldwell, T.Edwards there

I'd say he should, but there is something off with all our older players.

If there is one glaring failure of Brads coaching right now. Is that he isn't getting the best out of this older player group.
They lack drive, impact, direction.

The next coach, whenever that will be, will need to fix that to ever move forward.

 

[yodellinhank]

Persist with Scott.

Hearing drew petrie say that he was a great coach and it took them 5-6 years to start seeing proper progress before they made some prelims says it all for me. Hardwick had 8 years too before Richmond came good. This is how long it takes to build a premiership caliber list after gutting out all of the shite and mediocre selfish players. Clarko is finally starting to see results with norf after 4 years and some of the young players maturing.
Some of you may look to Hawkes, GWS, Melbourne and their coaches as to why we can't come good quickly. Answer is simple- they have many things we don't;
1. Excellent club culture
2. A grade talent
3. A wealth of finals experience

This is why Essendon, Carlton, St Kilda all stuck in mediocrity, because we have none of the above. Since Brad has come in, there is no argument as to the fact he has improved our club culture.

As to the A grade talent he and rosa have done a great job on that. Gotten rid of 40 players, at least 35 of them pedestrians. Not trading our first round picks, maximising amount of top end talent with savvy trading and drafting Kako, Caddy, Roberts, Sharp, Farrow, Robey. A grade talent and more to come end of this year. tick.

But with all of this great list management comes the obvious downfall of significant inexperience leading to not many wins. And I ****en hate not winning, but I'm glad were doing it the hard way than getting stupid top ups that will get us to 7-10th place and get flogged in another elimination final.

The point I'm trying to make is I'm glad we've taken a different route rather than 20 years of the same shit and the same results and the same embarrassment and shame of being an Essendon fan. And with a list strategy as bold as this, and the level of where our young talent is at- no coach in the afl is making finals. There's no point in sacking him. Let him see out his contract, and if we're showing good signs next year give him another couple. But we probably won't start showing these signs until our young players gain the necessary 30-50 games of experience. So, persist with Scott.

This group can hang around for the next 8 years, the hard work is already done. We have an Essendon Edge, with the players living elite AFL lifestyles. We're all going to die anyway.

 

[jdstorm]

I'd say he should, but there is something off with all our older players.

If there is one glaring failure of Brads coaching right now. Is that he isn't getting the best out of this older player group.
They lack drive, impact, direction.

The next coach, whenever that will be, will need to fix that to ever move forward.

You fix it by getting rid of them. Thats clearly the plan.

Scott’s not getting the most out of the list but it’s fair to say that likely isn’t the goal

 

[P Money]

Persist with Scott.

Hearing drew petrie say that he was a great coach and it took them 5-6 years to start seeing proper progress before they made some prelims says it all for me. Hardwick had 8 years too before Richmond came good. This is how long it takes to build a premiership caliber list after gutting out all of the shite and mediocre selfish players. Clarko is finally starting to see results with norf after 4 years and some of the young players maturing.
Some of you may look to Hawkes, GWS, Melbourne and their coaches as to why we can't come good quickly. Answer is simple- they have many things we don't;
1. Excellent club culture
2. A grade talent
3. A wealth of finals experience

This is why Essendon, Carlton, St Kilda all stuck in mediocrity, because we have none of the above. Since Brad has come in, there is no argument as to the fact he has improved our club culture.

As to the A grade talent he and rosa have done a great job on that. Gotten rid of 40 players, at least 35 of them pedestrians. Not trading our first round picks, maximising amount of top end talent with savvy trading and drafting Kako, Caddy, Roberts, Sharp, Farrow, Robey. A grade talent and more to come end of this year. tick.

But with all of this great list management comes the obvious downfall of significant inexperience leading to not many wins. And I ****en hate not winning, but I'm glad were doing it the hard way than getting stupid top ups that will get us to 7-10th place and get flogged in another elimination final.

The point I'm trying to make is I'm glad we've taken a different route rather than 20 years of the same shit and the same results and the same embarrassment and shame of being an Essendon fan. And with a list strategy as bold as this, and the level of where our young talent is at- no coach in the afl is making finals. There's no point in sacking him. Let him see out his contract, and if we're showing good signs next year give him another couple. But we probably won't start showing these signs until our young players gain the necessary 30-50 games of experience. So, persist with Scott.

Couldn't agree with this more. I've said it before - so many on here bemoaning the mediocrity of the past 20 years and refusal to commit to a proper rebuild, then it finally happens and they want to sack the coach when the reality of a proper rebuild hits.

 

[justlookingaround]

We're all going to die anyway.

Some of us (me) before our next finals win

 

[justlookingaround]

Give Scott the rest of this year and at least a chunk of 2027 to see if the key metrics are moving along.
If they're not then change will be required. Pretty simple imo.

 

[Bjchan13]

No issue this year resting any of our best kids Robey, Farrow, Sharp, Caddy, Kako, Roberts etc when they need it. We are not challenging and there is no point in breaking them. Keep rolling Kondo, Nguyen, Johnson, El Achkar, Hayes etc through for experience. Day-Wicks is starting to look like a senior player already which is a bonus. Be prepared though to see any or all of Guelfi, Gresham, Perkins, Cox, Tsatas, Jones in the team at different stages. Its really clear what the plan is with this side in the future and there are a lot of players in the team currently purely as cannon fodder imo.

 

[justlookingaround]

Say what you will about Scott but I think he has integrity and will do what he thinks is in the best interest of the club over what is gonna save his job.

 

[jdstorm]

I'd say he should, but there is something off with all our older players.

If there is one glaring failure of Brads coaching right now. Is that he isn't getting the best out of this older player group.
They lack drive, impact, direction.

The next coach, whenever that will be, will need to fix that to ever move forward.

You fix it by getting rid of them. Thats clearly the plan.

Scott’s not getting the most out of the list but it’s fair to say that likely isn’t the plan.

Say what you will about Scott but I think he has integrity and will do what he thinks is in the best interest of the club over what is gonna save his job.

Personally I think Scott views those things as the same. He has to stay employed if he has any hope of the cultural revolution the club needs.

He’s a very savvy political opperator.

 

[Keystone agony]

So Milanista28 when i see hes looking to the future instead of the short term gain by giving youth

Look at the starting cba, theres a clue there

 

[yodellinhank]

Say what you will about Scott but I think he has integrity and will do what he thinks is in the best interest of the club over what is gonna save his job.

They said the same of worstfold

 

[Phone]

Can we stop with the "Brad doesnt play the kids"

You said this last week, and no one was saying it anyway

It's been awhile since I opened the thread, so my first unread post when I clicked this was

Look, it’s great he’s finally playing the kids, but my concern is what is he teaching them?

which was very funny.

 

[Phone]

At least this is the first discussion that has actually mentioned he is possibly hurting himself by doing the right thing by the club and playing a lot of young players.

Edit
Suspect the board may be wording up some of the media behind the scenes as well.

I've made the comparison to Knights before (May last year, after R1) and yeah, Scott's going to follow the same fate which is fine, but it's been a bit annoying to see some of the discourse because he is so clearly coaching himself out a job and sometimes it feels like some people think he isn't doing that and that's just crazy to me. He's missed out on a win today because the club (and presumably him) has moved on Stringer & Laverde who starred for the other team today, plus he's keeping experienced better players in the reserves over some kids (Gresham and yes even my detested Guelfi) (and thank god he has cost himself a win today)

 

[Milanista28]

So Milanista28 when i see hes looking to the future instead of the short term gain by giving youth

Look at the starting cba, theres a clue there

Our starting set up with Sharp and Robey is better than any senior we can put in. Our kids aren't the issue, our senior players are why we lose most weeks.

 

[Keystone agony]

Our starting set up with Sharp and Robey is better than any senior we can put in. Our kids aren't the issue, our senior players are why we lose most weeks.

Your missing the point

The point is an older more experienced side would garner more success

The last 21 weeks weve been extremely young inexperienced, where 1 - 20

We woukdnt have been with a more experienced mature side

Parish, zerrett, caldwell, mcgrath, durham, setters would give better results in the long run

 

[Keystone agony]

Our starting set up with Sharp and Robey is better than any senior we can put in. Our kids aren't the issue, our senior players are why we lose most weeks.

Your missing the point

The point is an older more experienced side would garner more success

The last 21 weeks weve been extremely young inexperienced, were 1 - 20

We wouldnt have been with a more experienced mature side

Parish, zerrett, caldwell, mcgrath, durham, setters would give better results

Its a diff. Story to blaming why were shit as to what im making. Were shit for many reasons. Were not playing the experienced because it gets us 12th and no higher, we want top 4 and the only way to do that is to keep going top 5 draft picks and hit them before a small climb like north are doing right now and then hit FA as FAs not only see the money but can envisage the rise up the ladder and improvement / success coming not far away

 

[yodellinhank]

If being shit is the measure of our success I'd say we're doing well either way.

 

[Milanista28]

Your missing the point

The point is an older more experienced side would garner more success

The last 21 weeks weve been extremely young inexperienced, where 1 - 20

We woukdnt have been with a more experienced mature side

Parish, zerrett, caldwell, mcgrath, durham, setters would give better results in the long run

'A' more experienced side would garner more success. Agree.

'Our' more experienced side would not.

 

[Keystone agony]

'A' more experienced side would garner more success. Agree.

'Our' more experienced side would not.

You have no idea then

 

[Squeaky]

I'd say he should, but there is something off with all our older players.

If there is one glaring failure of Brads coaching right now. Is that he isn't getting the best out of this older player group.
They lack drive, impact, direction.

The next coach, whenever that will be, will need to fix that to ever move forward.

Do they have drive and impact?

 

[Chief Hopper]

Do they have drive and impact?

From this recent match against GWS, there seems to be a bit of spark in the older brigade.

 

[jannissary]

has cousin brad ever provided a reason for some of his more questionable coaching decisions re: player position swaps or TOG? sometimes it boggles the mind.

 

[doug85]

I feel that our team is now being driven by our younger players. Roberts, Caddy, Robey, Kako, Sharp and Durham.

I may not agree with Brads choices and decisions, but if our young players are excelling and forming the backbone of our team, that's significant.

Surely thats a tick for the coach and club.