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Delisted 13. Liam Stocker

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Soapy V said:
Do people actually not realise that we have turned 1 first round pick into 2? We get one player straight away that we wouldn't have had and he fills an important need and looks ready made.

Judging next years ladder position is stupid and irrelevant. Review any previous draft and put in an order now and it will look nothing like it was picked at the time. Remind me again what picks did we select Charlie & Cripps? Simpson was what pick? If rumours are true we got a Top 8 pick for 19.

IMO it was a great deal by a club being aggressive and moving forward. If our recruiters are good we will get a very good player with that pick regardless.
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POT. Top stuff.
 
Blue and Silver said:
I don't like dragging Knightmare.

Guy's doing his best.

But he sure as **** isn't Kevin Sheehan. He doesn't have the exposure or access to enough kids for the necessary full evaluation, or the coaching background to formulate an informed understanding of development within an AFL system.

Like Twomey, he's a curator of draft knowledge, and therefore a useful resource, but I don't rate either's talent spotting particularly highly
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In the end, he knows more than me about this stuff so I'm willing to listen and read along. Mock drafts are a bit of fun, regardless of how accurate they turn out to be. People just have to take it for what it is.
 
teagueyubeauty said:
I hope my daughter finds a man like Crippa, absolute gentleman, great with the kids and just has an attitude to getting the most out of himself which will permeate throughout his whole life not just footy.

Stoked he’s now a captain of the club, could not wish for a better role model for the kids coming through
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I've only met him once (at a Past & Present Players function) and I agree 100%. I was sitting at his table and he came up to me and introduced himself. Completely unnecessary to do so at a Carlton function when any half Carlton fan knows exactly who he is but it just showed the kind of guy he is.
 
Gethelred said:
Don't mind Daisy, but I don't find the criticisms being made by Daisy to have much merit here. They're easy.

I have a go - and I agree with others when they do too - when someone like Luke Darcy or Kane Cornes says similar things, because it's surface, barely looking at the situation analytically or with an eye to see why any given decision is made. My issue is more to do with the current state of AFL journalism than anything else; that the field is already poor with ex and current AFL talent taking the positions that used to be held by an avid watcher of the game, a caller who knows everyone's name (I'm looking at you, Sandy Roberts) or at least someone who knows the ground, the wind, the strategies, the coaching. There's something to being an expert that the current set of commentary and discussion lack, and just being opinionated or regurgitating negative talking points about bottom sides whilst glorifying upper sides is frankly not good enough.
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Can't fault much of that, but not sure we should be judging someone's competence on some throw away comments on breakfast radio.
 

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teagueyubeauty said:
I hope my daughter finds a man like Crippa, absolute gentleman, great with the kids and just has an attitude to getting the most out of himself which will permeate throughout his whole life not just footy.

Stoked he’s now a captain of the club, could not wish for a better role model for the kids coming through
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Bloody well said. Now that you mentioned it, I also hope my daughter finds a man like Crippa.:thumbsu:
 
passmark said:
Out walking the dog and what do I spy????
It's a SIGN!!!!

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Don't worry about The no through road bit. Just means there's no getting past him !!
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got your shots back from the palmyra chemist pretty quick, passmaster.............
 
thylacine60 said:
Gotta say - and my fellow game-goers can vouch for me - I don't ever recall watching a player (failed or otherwise) and commenting "and to think we gave away pick x for this bloke" it just doesn't happen.........except for lucas.........and boekhorst........and maybe brock.......
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And Russell
 
gardiner stand said:
Crystal ball says
- At the end of the 2019 season after a breakout season by the Baby Blues and another stinker by the old and tired Crows, SOS’s trade acquiring Liam Stocker for free in the 2018 draft will go down as one of the best trade deals in history
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Love it.
 

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Kruzering said:
Sheehan is definitely a good judge, I rate his opinion highly.

But he gets wrong as well.
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"Shifter" is hilarious. He loves every pick, is surprised they didn't go earlier. By his maths there's 35 guys who should have gone top 20 every year. :D
 
AndyWalkersGirl said:
Went and got in touch with Bradshaw and borrowed his midfield training regime so he could be good to go for draft and pre season, following Richmond’s feedback. How impressive.

Stocker may well be our best draft pick up.
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Bit of Cripps about him there, working hard to address his weaknesses already. Good sign.

Looks like the Tigers were set to pick him up - giving him a direct message around his weaknesses before even drafting him and we just stole him from their grasp.

Got a really good feeling about him and Walsh.
 


End of this video the reporters bring up how the guys are missing schoolies. Right at the very end Stocker throws back "As if you'd choose schoolies over this!"

This guy. This ****in' guy. Genuinely impressing me as a young man so far and is quickly becoming my favourite pick of the last few years!
 

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ShanDog said:


End of this video the reporters bring up how the guys are missing schoolies. Right at the very end Stocker throws back "As if you'd choose schoolies over this!"

This guy. This ****in' guy. Genuinely impressing me as a young man so far and is quickly becoming my favourite pick of the last few years!
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Both of these lads will play plenty of great footy for the CFC starting 2019, adding Walsh, Stocker and Setterfield in one scoop is just mind boggling an absolute huge talent haul by Silvagni and his team.
Just amazing result.
 
HARKER said:
We're way too far out to pretend to know what will happen but even at this stage, I'd bet on that first being used as a trade.
Can't help seeing what we need to go forward is to recruit the right player for the right position. We don't need any more 18 year olds, given the extent of 21 year olds and under we currently have in what will be, our starting senior squad.

Never had an issue with the trade of picks and without seeing what we've reeled in, it will only be about the player.
I'm not sure we needed another young mid, but hey, he's ours and we'll love him. :)
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You can't just fob it off no matter who is available, the stars still have to align. I doubt a worthy target has given us the all clear that they are going to ask to be traded to us at the end of next year this far out. The trade gives us flexibility, the rest is conjecture.
 
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Pafloyul said:
You can't just fob it off no matter who is available, the stars still have to align. I doubt a worthy target has given us the all clear that they are going to ask to be traded to us at the end of next year this far out. The trade gives us flexibility, the rest is conjecture.
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Of course but even at this stage some 'ideal' scenario has to be in play.
One can't just sit back and deal with things should they present. You have to act first as we did with Shiel so many years out, and even though that one didn't come to fruition, it shouldn't stop you from showing the love early....very early. i.e. You have to make the play. (which is somewhat obvious)

Stocker may have been a case of 'too good to refuse' and that's fine, but there would have been some other gymnastics going on other than a simple, 'we'll deal with next year, next year'. I'd suggest the team weighed up the pros and cons very early on and maybe they just knew, or at least had a very good idea of what next year may look like.
 
HARKER said:
This is what I think happens.
They start off in a field of expertise and then get pushed in having to expand on what they were hired to do in the first place.
It's happened a lot and will continue to happen

I just look for content and don't care if I agree with them or not, as long as they have a real reason for what they're saying.
No different to here or anywhere else. If one has something to say, just make sure you own the language and not parrot what the popular verdict may be.
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In an era of sensationalised media where everyone is endeavouring to catch the next headline, meme or quote, this brand of commentary is unavoidable albeit lamentable. The tsunami of viewing options and a 24 hour media cycle challenges media exponents to, at the very least, capture attention and, at the worse, butcher the industry to become the next expert who garners priority attention. It seems that any depth of analysis is secondary to getting a comment on the record. The unfortunate reality is the loss of detailed conversation underpinned by reasoned analysis is not commonly available in mainstream football commentary. My favourite sporting program is Offsiders where, although abbreviated in nature, discusses the why and how, not just what happened and attack those who don’t produce the “right” statistics or outcomes. I find outlandish commentary by experts like Cornes to be repugnant and good soldiers like Daisy are forced to compete with these identities for brand approval and screen time.
 

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