Delisted 13. Liam Stocker

[Blue__Balls]

The word not is self explanatory.

Your statement followed a speculative situation of the McGovern trade falling through, and us doing a separate deal with Sydney for 13.

But please, continue being a douche about it

 

[footyfan1978]

The lid was thrown into the wind like a frisbee....
Rejoice I say and shirk not from exuberant optimism

I shall not shirk then. Who needs a lid where we are going ?

 

[ParapMarkets]

Still think that we've got the better of the Cows over the past few years...the Gibbs trade for 2 first rounders last year landed us some great young talent.

Interesting this year though. If the MM trade had have fallen through by chance, we probably would still have traded the 2 second rounders to the Swans for pick 13. So we would have picked up Walsh and Stocker through the draft anyway, but no Gov.

So, technically, we've swapped 2019 first round picks with them, and got Gov in return...so if we by chance finish close to them in 2019, we pretty much got him for nothing (except the state player access pick, which we got for nothing anyway).

Maybe that's why SOS likes dealing with Reid

I like that we have backed ourselves and despite many thinking we are a lock for bottom 2-3 I think we will surprise a few next year. But the reality is that our list, whilst extremely talented, is very thin for depth of experienced quality and it could end up being a high price paid. If we get another bad run of injuries this could end up being a high price paid. A bottom 2-3 finish would mean we end up with a pick outside the top 10 (very good chance) and no quality experienced players wanting to join us so we end up taking that pick to the draft instead of pick 2-3

 

[Blue and Blue]

I like that we have backed ourselves and despite many thinking we are a lock for bottom 2-3 I think we will surprise a few next year. But the reality is that our list, whilst extremely talented, is very thin for depth of experienced quality and it could end up being a high price paid. If we get another bad run of injuries this could end up being a high price paid. A bottom 2-3 finish would mean we end up with a pick outside the top 10 (very good chance) and no quality experienced players wanting to join us so we end up taking that pick to the draft instead of pick 2-3

shhhhh..none of that...I am thinking you caught aforementioned lid........

 

[Eiffel 65]

I like that we have backed ourselves and despite many thinking we are a lock for bottom 2-3 I think we will surprise a few next year. But the reality is that our list, whilst extremely talented, is very thin for depth of experienced quality and it could end up being a high price paid. If we get another bad run of injuries this could end up being a high price paid. A bottom 2-3 finish would mean we end up with a pick outside the top 10 (very good chance) and no quality experienced players wanting to join us so we end up taking that pick to the draft instead of pick 2-3

Keep in mind the top end of the 2018 draft was considered to be very strong.

Stocker has the attributes, skills and game sense to become Luke Parker 2.0

Pretty sure most people on here would be happy to trade 2 x first round selections for Luke Parker.

Don't get caught up with the permutations of the pick swap. We got our man. Stocker has the potential to become a star of the competition.

We are extremely fortunate to have him at the Carlton Football Club. Great selection by the club!!!!!

 

[ferrisb]

He got it wrong now and he knows it.
His evaluation of our draft was done using an incorrect method, given what he does.
He shouldn't have been taking into account trades as that's not his forte, but simply the draft in which all he had to concern himself about, was the players and where they were taken and not trying to forecast what may yet come about next year.

Unpopular opinion, but I can understand Knightmare giving us a poor rating.

Walsh - Knightmare believes Lukosious to be the best junior talent he's ever seen, so I can understand him criticising us for taking what he sees is the 'safe pick'

Stocker - If we rated him at #6, then great. But that aside, we paid what could be a very high price for what all other teams saw as a kid worth ~20 at best

O'Dwyer - 4th round picks are always speculative, but he has no exposed form and no one aside from Carlton and Finbar's mum has ever heard of him

Silvagni - he's good enough a prospect for pick 70. But there will always be questions of nepotism unless he makes it

I'm not saying I agree with knightmare, but it's easy to question each of our picks. And we IN THEORY overpaid for Stocker, Finbar and Walsh (if you're a massive Luko or Rankine fan).

I'm happy with our guys, but it's not ridiculous for people to question our moves. Plus while Knightmare is unbelievable at his research, he can be questionable on rankings.

People need to chillax.

 

[passmark]

Unpopular opinion, but I can understand Knightmare giving us a poor rating.

Walsh - Knightmare believes Lukosious to be the best junior talent he's ever seen, so I can understand him criticising us for taking what he sees is the 'safe pick'

Stocker - If we rated him at #6, then great. But that aside, we paid what could be a very high price for what all other teams saw as a kid worth ~20 at best

O'Dwyer - 4th round picks are always speculative, but he has no exposed form and no one aside from Carlton and Finbar's mum has ever heard of him

Silvagni - he's good enough a prospect for pick 70. But there will always be questions of nepotism unless he makes it

I'm not saying I agree with knightmare, but it's easy to question each of our picks. And we IN THEORY overpaid for Stocker, Finbar and Walsh (if you're a massive Luko or Rankine fan).

I'm happy with our guys, but it's not ridiculous for people to question our moves. Plus while Knightmare is unbelievable at his research, he can be questionable on rankings.

People need to chillax.

**** you ferris!

Chilled enough for ya?

 

[Aphrodite]

Lets just keep in mind this is a Welcome to Carlton Liam Stocker thread.

The last 6 or so pages have been off topic draft/list management discussion.

Plenty other threads to discuss the above.


Thanks all.

 

[GoBlues!]

Unpopular opinion, but I can understand Knightmare giving us a poor rating.

Walsh - Knightmare believes Lukosious to be the best junior talent he's ever seen, so I can understand him criticising us for taking what he sees is the 'safe pick'

Stocker - If we rated him at #6, then great. But that aside, we paid what could be a very high price for what all other teams saw as a kid worth ~20 at best

O'Dwyer - 4th round picks are always speculative, but he has no exposed form and no one aside from Carlton and Finbar's mum has ever heard of him

Silvagni - he's good enough a prospect for pick 70. But there will always be questions of nepotism unless he makes it

I'm not saying I agree with knightmare, but it's easy to question each of our picks. And we IN THEORY overpaid for Stocker, Finbar and Walsh (if you're a massive Luko or Rankine fan).

I'm happy with our guys, but it's not ridiculous for people to question our moves. Plus while Knightmare is unbelievable at his research, he can be questionable on rankings.

People need to chillax.

My take ferris:

1. 13 coaches said they’d pick Walsh if they had pick 1, two said Lukosius, and two Rankine. MASSIVE WIN

2. We converted a first round pick into two first round picks!! Got a highly rated player this year (cue golden fist pump) and will probably use next years first for an experienced player. HUGE WIN

3. Did we use our 4th round picks wisely? Who knows, but he’s only bringing these up because we traded our intermediate picks for McGovern. Anyway don’t discount the joy and morale lift it brings to the team to hear Ed repeat Fin..barrr at training. HUGE GRIN

Knightmare - 0
SOS A++

 

[goreds]

Lets just keep in mind this is a Welcome to Carlton Liam Stocker thread.

The last 6 or so pages have been off topic draft/list management discussion.

Plenty other threads to discuss the above.


Thanks all.

Did I mention how happy I was with this pick Aph????

Stocker, quality. Hard, strong, quick, elusive, smart, a footballer, talented, both sided, decisive and a solid citizen!!

 

[HARKER]

Unpopular opinion, but I can understand Knightmare giving us a poor rating.
Walsh - Knightmare believes Lukosious to be the best junior talent he's ever seen, so I can understand him criticising us for taking what he sees is the 'safe pick'
Stocker - If we rated him at #6, then great. But that aside, we paid what could be a very high price for what all other teams saw as a kid worth ~20 at best

O'Dwyer - 4th round picks are always speculative, but he has no exposed form and no one aside from Carlton and Finbar's mum has ever heard of him

Silvagni - he's good enough a prospect for pick 70. But there will always be questions of nepotism unless he makes it

I'm not saying I agree with knightmare, but it's easy to question each of our picks. And we IN THEORY overpaid for Stocker, Finbar and Walsh (if you're a massive Luko or Rankine fan).

I'm happy with our guys, but it's not ridiculous for people to question our moves. Plus while Knightmare is unbelievable at his research, he can be questionable on rankings.

People need to chillax.

I pointed out the error in his workings and he admitted to it. No harm done.

Someone commenting on the draft should comment on where the players fell and put forward their rankings against that and not go into future predictions and possible outcomes of traded picks. If he had his time again he may do it differently, so maybe you're barking up the wrong tree here.

 

[Robbo's my hero]

Please take stock people...

 

[Navy_Blueblood]

Please take stock people...

Surely it’s ‘take Stocker’?

 

[GoBlues!]

Please take stock people...

We did Robbo.

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

Unpopular opinion, but I can understand Knightmare giving us a poor rating.

Walsh - Knightmare believes Lukosious to be the best junior talent he's ever seen, so I can understand him criticising us for taking what he sees is the 'safe pick'

Stocker - If we rated him at #6, then great. But that aside, we paid what could be a very high price for what all other teams saw as a kid worth ~20 at best

O'Dwyer - 4th round picks are always speculative, but he has no exposed form and no one aside from Carlton and Finbar's mum has ever heard of him

Silvagni - he's good enough a prospect for pick 70. But there will always be questions of nepotism unless he makes it

I'm not saying I agree with knightmare, but it's easy to question each of our picks. And we IN THEORY overpaid for Stocker, Finbar and Walsh (if you're a massive Luko or Rankine fan).

I'm happy with our guys, but it's not ridiculous for people to question our moves. Plus while Knightmare is unbelievable at his research, he can be questionable on rankings.

People need to chillax.

He himself rated stocker 13 pre draft. No justification for his rating of drafting. Just being a Collingwood supporting Carlton hater.

 

[HBF]

Have watched that video 3 times now. Just love it.

 

[Metalcrusher]

So let me put this straight … aleft field player that was (apparently) on the clubs radar …. got the first ever live trade swap … is now up to 40 pages ….

#NotEnoughLoveForWalshy

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Unpopular opinion, but I can understand Knightmare giving us a poor rating.

Walsh - Knightmare believes Lukosious to be the best junior talent he's ever seen, so I can understand him criticising us for taking what he sees is the 'safe pick'

Stocker - If we rated him at #6, then great. But that aside, we paid what could be a very high price for what all other teams saw as a kid worth ~20 at best

O'Dwyer - 4th round picks are always speculative, but he has no exposed form and no one aside from Carlton and Finbar's mum has ever heard of him

Silvagni - he's good enough a prospect for pick 70. But there will always be questions of nepotism unless he makes it

I'm not saying I agree with knightmare, but it's easy to question each of our picks. And we IN THEORY overpaid for Stocker, Finbar and Walsh (if you're a massive Luko or Rankine fan).

I'm happy with our guys, but it's not ridiculous for people to question our moves. Plus while Knightmare is unbelievable at his research, he can be questionable on rankings.

People need to chillax.

Tldr.. yeah, NAH

 

[mediumsizered]

So let me put this straight … aleft field player that was (apparently) on the clubs radar …. got the first ever live trade swap … is now up to 40 pages ….

#NotEnoughLoveForWalshy

Don't worry, once Walsh runs out onto the 'G' in Round 1 next year, none of our other recruits will get a look in.

 

[ferrisb]

amazing video

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018-12-06/inner-sanctum-blues-get-their-man

Really shows how highly rated he was and just outstanding behind the scenes footage. Wish they showed more.

It's like Hollywood made a film based on one of ericpascoe's draft post-mortems...

 

[therubbernub]

Nothing to do with my club but thought I'd have a look at that video. Good on the Blues for releasing that sort of inner sanctum content, it's always super interesting.

For the record I would've been happy with my club taking Stocker at #12, let alone #18. I reckon that kid is gonna make a few recruiters look silly. And hopefully with the return of Docherty and the additions of Walsh, Setterfield, McGovern, Fasolo, Newman and Stocker without really losing anyone of value, your mob can finish near or above the Crows and make their recruiter look doubly silly.

atta boy!

 

[GoBlues!]

It's like Hollywood made a film based on one of ericpascoe's draft post-mortems...

Here's some early stills from the film.

"SOS, Reidy wants to know if the deal is on and who we're looking to take at pick 19"




"Reidy you just have to wait till pick 18 is done ffs and then I'm gonna make...."

 

[gandaal]

amazing video


http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018-12-06/inner-sanctum-blues-get-their-man

Really shows how highly rated he was and just outstanding behind the scenes footage. Wish they showed more.

Bolts looked pretty unsure about the whole thing.

Nah mate, they've backed you in. Do us all a favour and win some games next year.

 

[slashin_velvet]

So let me put this straight … aleft field player that was (apparently) on the clubs radar …. got the first ever live trade swap … is now up to 40 pages ….

#NotEnoughLoveForWalshy

Walsh got every post in the draft thread prior to the night. Stocker probably wasn't mentioned more than a handful of times as he was tipped to go at a pick we didn't have.

His selection was arguably a bigger risk than Walsh because we don't know what we gave up. Let's hope it all pays off.

 

[Jabba73]

Over 1000 posts. Welcome Liam, you are all we are talking about, hope you live up to the hype/hope.