Player Watch #20 Sam Reid

[Kennedy Parker]

Sam Reid

Sam Reid

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Sam Reid

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

’s outstanding athleticism and strong contested grab make him a genuine threat inside 50. The 2012 premiership forward showed exactly that when he booted six goals in the Sydney Swans’ clash with Collingwood in Mark Grook at the SCG to win the 2019 Goodes-O’Loughlin Medal. The 2009 draftee can also play as a loose man in defence or pinch-hit in the ruck. Reid has had very little luck on the injury front in his time in red and white, but he didn’t miss an AFL match in 2019. He’s played 143 career games at the top level for a return of 154 goals.

Sam Reid

20

Sam Reid

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

DOB: 27 December 1991
DEBUT: 2010
DRAFT: #38, 2009 National Draft
RECRUITED FROM: Wangaratta Rovers (Vic)/Murray U18

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[Numbered Days]

Isn't that what people were saying about White for 5 years - massive upside, massive potential? Why has he suddenly lost all of this upside?

Because it's 5 years later and he hasn't shown it. He's a very good NEAFL player who hasn't shown much at AFL level since 2009. Reid is 21 and was CHF in a flag winning side. Surely there is a huge difference between the two of them - particularly in regards to giving chances?

 

[CAS79]

Isn't that what people were saying about White for 5 years - massive upside, massive potential? Why has he suddenly lost all of this upside?

The biggest difference between White and Reid as a forward is White was slow to react to the play in front of him, he was late to packs and couldn't get a look in, slow to lead and was cut off, he would also run to congestion or lead to a players wrong side. He was reactionary rather than proactive.

Reid is faster to make his ground to the right space's and at least shows some understanding of where to be for certain players. However I agree with the sentiment he doesn't get a charmed run in the ones just because he has massive potential.

 

[Bloodz2005]

Your first point is relevant. Point 2 is not.

Seniors is about putting the best 22 on the park to get us a win. This he wont learn anything in the ressies is irrelevant in a year were competing for finals.

Now I too am concerned about who would replace Reid if he were dropped, there doesn't seem to be a natural replacement for his role putting up there hand at this stage but if there were.

This is an interesting conversation, from a seniors point it is about putting the best 22 "combination" on the park and this is where Reid is still very key to us in-spite of his lack of confidence at this stage, his selection forces opposition teams into setting their structures to ensure he doesn't dominate, what I see from Reid is what he can do and what he still brings, while the opposition quite clearly spend time on ensuring he doesn't dominate by blocking his run and jump, double teaming ect this opens up scoring opportunities for other forwards and mids who place themselves front and center, he goes, what happens? that's the impact you need to be able to measure and ensure your alternate comes close to matching, hence it is the best "combination" of 22 players,
While it is obvious it is great to get the immediate 4 points each week history will tell you that big guys particularly forwards start realizing after about 100 games, we need to be patient, thats why my previous post states it maybe time to change his role slightly and remove some of the pressure which maybe self driven pressure.

 

[baja]

I'd like to see us get him on the ball more to improve is confidence. Get him onto a half back flank or a wing and get him to use his pace and skills. Would also allow him to get out into the open and take some uncontested marks.
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I said this earlier they do it with Buddy, they even done it with Jack Reiwoldt on the w'end and it nearly turned the Tigers game around. Just for a short stint they don't have to start him on the ball but give him a chance to use his athleticism and break the close checking.. Get him involved but we do like to stick to a structured plan so it may not happen, I would be interested to see how it goes.

 

[RMercadi]

Sorry to be negative, but he just isn't very good. NEAFL is nothing compared to the real stuff.
A bit too much over-analysis in this thread.

 

[Syd]

When the game was turning in the 3rd quarter I was hoping to see Pyke and Mumford pushed forward, Goodes on to the ball and Reid a roaming wingman to open up the defence and get some run\confidence into both Goodes and Reid.

I don't think Reid would overly benefit from playing ressies but I think Jetta might need a week or too to build some confidence and fitness back in.

 

[swansfan51]

Taking this thread slightly off topic as this is not a direct assault on Sam Reid, but it is a lot less relevant if Player X would benefit from playing in the reserves. When we're trying to contend for finals the much greater consideration should be if the TEAM will benefit from them playing in seniors. We should be picking the 22 players that will best position us to win matches and finish top 4. Saying Player X has massive potential and should be given games because he'll be useful in the future is a dangerous path, as many players never realise their potential. My preference is always to pick someone after they've already shown they are one of the 22 best, not pick them and hope they eventually reach that standard.

 

[GotTheGoodes]

Too much negativity IMO. Reidy has shown us glimpses of what he can do and deserves (IMO) the right to continue to develop and be exposed to all different situations in the seniors. Be it from successful premiership runs to form slumps and losses. How else is he going to learn? Dropping him would only dent his confidence IMO and tell him we don't have 100% faith in him. He is learning in a game plan not suited to a FF... Bomb it long and have everyone have a run at it is not the kind of game plan that suits a player like him. Some help from the other foward now & then would be good but even then I think it's still a learning process for him. He needs to 'own' the foward line. Make it his over time. Eventually he & Tippett will be barking out instructions and hopefully have fully implemented & structured running patterns etc. I think once Tippett comes into the side we will start to see Rediy really start to prove some of his critics wrong.

 

[swansfan51]

What if Tippett is injured or suspended? Is there any other player in the team who you'd be happy to have in the side only on the condition that someone else was there? We don't pick Nick Smith because he can play well if Kieren Jack is in the side, we pick him because he can do his job regardless.

 

[S120]

Taking this thread slightly off topic as this is not a direct assault on Sam Reid, but it is a lot less relevant if Player X would benefit from playing in the reserves. When we're trying to contend for finals the much greater consideration should be if the TEAM will benefit from them playing in seniors. We should be picking the 22 players that will best position us to win matches and finish top 4. Saying Player X has massive potential and should be given games because he'll be useful in the future is a dangerous path, as many players never realise their potential. My preference is always to pick someone after they've already shown they are one of the 22 best, not pick them and hope they eventually reach that standard.

Agreed with the idea that our finals push takes precedence over player potential right now.

Given our dearth of key position players in the reserves and the style that the seniors player (the number of talls the coaches like to have at any point in the forward line), I think you can very easily make the argument that Reid is in our best 22 players right now regardless of his very patchy form.

 

[swansfan51]

I think you can very easily make the argument that Reid is in our best 22 players right now regardless of his very patchy form.

And that's fine with me, he's clearly better than White IMO, my point was more of a general one. Players shouldn't be defended because they're there to develop, they live or die on the strength of their current ability to contribute.

 

[Numbered Days]

Saying Player X has massive potential and should be given games because he'll be useful in the future is a dangerous path, as many players never realise their potential.

Sorry mate, it's not dangerous at all. Every team does it and so do we. One player will seldom lose a team a match or cost a top four spot. It's a completely normal part of development to put someone with a big upside in the seniors if they can no longer learn from the reserves.

My preference is always to pick someone after they've already shown they are one of the 22 best, not pick them and hope they eventually reach that standard.

We did it with Reid and he clearly showed he was best 22. Same with Johnson ... same with Parker. Not sure how players show they are best 22 if you don't give the ones with potential a run in the seniors.

It's subjective of course but Reid, to me, is obviously a best 22 player - he's just not playing well.

 

[The King!]

Taking this thread slightly off topic as this is not a direct assault on Sam Reid, but it is a lot less relevant if Player X would benefit from playing in the reserves. When we're trying to contend for finals the much greater consideration should be if the TEAM will benefit from them playing in seniors. We should be picking the 22 players that will best position us to win matches and finish top 4. Saying Player X has massive potential and should be given games because he'll be useful in the future is a dangerous path, as many players never realise their potential. My preference is always to pick someone after they've already shown they are one of the 22 best, not pick them and hope they eventually reach that standard.

agreed, pick the 22 players who give us the best chance to win

 

[Numbered Days]

And that's fine with me, he's clearly better than White IMO, my point was more of a general one. Players shouldn't be defended because they're there to develop, they live or die on the strength of their current ability to contribute.

This kind of feels like you have a real problem with Reid because what you have said here is amazingly short sighted and I doubt if you actually agree with it. Of course players should be defended because they are there to develop! We, more so than many other teams, need to take calculated risks with young players because the reserve comp is so poor. If we have a guy we think has huge potential and does everything right in training then he should get a decent run in the seniors and the fact that he is a developing player must be taken into account when judging his performance.

It is so common for all clubs to do this. Remember when Hawthorn played Buddy on Goodes a number of years back? He got towelled so he should have been dumped back in the 2s? Clarkson said it doesn't matter in the long term because he was there to learn. They also invested heavily in Schoenmakers when form didn't warrant it.

This is what clubs do. It's what we do. Add to the fact that we are talking about the CHF for the premiers 4 games into a new season when we are 3-1 and no better options in the reserves ... "current ability to contribute" is obviously only one factor that should be taken into account.

 

[CAS79]

Taking this thread slightly off topic as this is not a direct assault on Sam Reid, but it is a lot less relevant if Player X would benefit from playing in the reserves. When we're trying to contend for finals the much greater consideration should be if the TEAM will benefit from them playing in seniors. We should be picking the 22 players that will best position us to win matches and finish top 4. Saying Player X has massive potential and should be given games because he'll be useful in the future is a dangerous path, as many players never realise their potential. My preference is always to pick someone after they've already shown they are one of the 22 best, not pick them and hope they eventually reach that standard.

100% behind this ethos. There are exceptions if the team is heading for a poor season than opening doors to have a look is ok but when your in the premirship hunt it's all about the best 22 you put on the park.

 

[bedford]

The obvious one is to put him down back with LRT out

 

[Numbered Days]

100% behind this ethos. There are exceptions if the team is heading for a poor season than opening doors to have a look is ok but when your in the premirship hunt it's all about the best 22 you put on the park.

This isn't making sense to me. You are talking about a long term goal and then saying it's about the best 22 you put on the park which is short term.

If the goal is the flag then that's what you plan for. It's why Mattner is still in the team - on form he is clearly not "best 22" but dropping him would be nuts because him being on the field and getting his form back gets us closer to the flag. At the other end of the spectrum is Reid. Getting him into form gets us closer to the flag than dumping him and bringing in White.

If the goal is the flag then we have concentrate on getting the guys who can win it into form - not replacing them with guys who are currently in better form but offer less in regards to winning the flag. That changes if we start losing too many games - not at 3-1.

 

[RobbieK]

What to do with Sam Reid is easy. Put him at CHF in the seniors every week. Tell the other players to kick the ball at him. This was true when this thread was first started. It is true today. It will be true for the next 10 years.

 

[The King!]

throw a wrench at him, worked in dodgeball, just in his case catch the wrench

 

[Numbered Days]

Just remember, if we didn't develop players via the seniors when their form didn't warrant it but their upside made it worthwhile we may not have had LRT as BOG in two flag winning sides and Jesse White would have been our backup ruckman last year ...

Anyway, might be time to move on. Let's just agree something needs to be done about Reid, we'll just disagree on what.

 

[Bloodz2005]

This isn't making sense to me. You are talking about a long term goal and then saying it's about the best 22 you put on the park which is short term.

If the goal is the flag then that's what you plan for. It's why Mattner is still in the team - on form he is clearly not "best 22" but dropping him would be nuts because him being on the field and getting his form back gets us closer to the flag. At the other end of the spectrum is Reid. Getting him into form gets us closer to the flag than dumping him and bringing in White.

If the goal is the flag then we have concentrate on getting the guys who can win it into form - not replacing them with guys who are currently in better form but offer less in regards to winning the flag. That changes if we start losing too many games - not at 3-1.

Agree 100%, while today is always important, it is also about where you want to be and get to tomorrow and the development/learning required,
I will state again the best 22 "combination" that selectors believe will beat the immediate opposition with an eye on tomorrow, and as you point out Mattner is struggling and based on the best 22 should be playing, on that extrapolation Mumford isn't exactly setting the world on fire, however again its what he brings to the team, there is no way in living hell you'd drop Mummy.
As for Reid I still advocate a slight change in role for him.

 

[The King!]

The thing to remember is they want to give Reid a different role, thats why we have a guy who is probably the highest paid on the list sitting on his arse teaching kids waiting to play

 

[CAS79]

This isn't making sense to me. You are talking about a long term goal and then saying it's about the best 22 you put on the park which is short term.

If the goal is the flag then that's what you plan for. It's why Mattner is still in the team - on form he is clearly not "best 22" but dropping him would be nuts because him being on the field and getting his form back gets us closer to the flag. At the other end of the spectrum is Reid. Getting him into form gets us closer to the flag than dumping him and bringing in White.

If the goal is the flag then we have concentrate on getting the guys who can win it into form - not replacing them with guys who are currently in better form but offer less in regards to winning the flag. That changes if we start losing too many games - not at 3-1.

We are not going to reach consensus, so we could argue for hours and go round the block and still not agree.

I take a little bit of on board with what your saying about giving a top notch player a run to run out the cobwebs if they have been injured or underdone early in the season, but only if there clearly in the best 22 like an O’Keefe or a Goodes last year.

I may believe an occasional rotation for a player to have a week off, like maybe Jude Bolton or Mumford to keep the body fresh from time to time too.

But what I don’t believe is that the seniors is for development, particularly in a season we are hunting cups. If that is the reason for picking someone or putting them in the team, not a fan unless the season is going to be an otherwise non event. Reid played his first game as an injury replacement for Bradshaw and did enough to say pick me pick me, Bradshaw’s time has passed him by and mine has come for season 2011. If you have an older player who’s form has dropped off and stagnated and is being matched by a kid on the rise, than you look at the kid inm a 50/50 selection issue, that’s my concession to the rule.

As for your comment about Mattner not being in our best 22, while Shaw is out I don’t totally agree, but when he is it could be a case of Mattner or Rampe? Older players get passed and when picking the best 22 should not be scared of recognising when they might have waned.

 

[J_Moore]

He's got a year to get to Majak Daw's level. Maybe after that we can start asking questions.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Just a minor niggle i have with the club did we really have to give him such a massive contract? is there a reason he was signed up long term?