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Given we will probably have our first pick this year somewhere in the top 5, would you be inclined to go more for a midfielder, which we desperately need, or a KPP.

The early indications are that this year is one for good talls.
And getting good talls into our club has been a very very difficult hit and miss affair.

So with us having probably our best pick ever, what would you do - midfielder or tall?

Teenage star could solve Eagles' woes
By MICHAEL PLACE
27jun04
HE stands 195cm tall, has the aerobic capacity of a midfielder and is equally adept in attack as he is defence.

And he could be the answer to West Coast Eagles fans' prayers.

Lance "Buddy" Franklin may only be 17, but already he is being labelled the standout key-position player in this year's AFL national draft.

The countdown to his date with destiny begins next week when he represents WA at the national under-18 championships in Melbourne.

Franklin warmed up for the championships with a dazzling display against an open-age state country team at Leederville Oval last week.

Having lined up at centre-half-forward, Franklin menaced his more-seasoned opponent with four goals in the first quarter before being shifted to centre-halfback.

He proceeded to dominate in defence before resting on the interchange bench in the final term. Such was his influence, his razor-sharp skills and powerful physique would not have looked out of place in the senior WA-Victoria game that followed.

The Eagles' search for a key forward has been well-documented and Franklin looms as one of the club's first-round targets at this year's draft – if he is still on the market.

The Eagles' ability to net a player of Franklin's ilk will hinge largely on where the club finishes on the ladder.

Given his nationwide demand, there is a chance Franklin will already be netted by the time the Eagles have their first selection.

When asked if the club would consider taking him with its first pick, Eagles recruiting manager Trevor Woodhouse replied: "Of course you would. He's one of the exceptional talents running around.

"That's not a hidden fact. Stevie Wonder could tell you that. He's got that ability to probably play in a lot of places, but ideally in a key position at some stage."

Finding a game-breaking centre-half-forward has always been football's version of unearthing a gold nugget.

Even during their premiership years of 1992 and 1994, the Eagles never boasted a dominant centre-half-forward.

Fremantle recruiting manager Phil Smart said Franklin was blessed with the ideal dimensions to play in the AFL.

"He could end up with a similar build to Anthony Koutoufides," Smart said. "Whether he ends up being as good as him, time will tell."

Smart said the Dockers would also seriously look at Franklin if he was still available in the first round.

"He can play as a key forward, key defender, on the ball, on the wing, on a flank. He is a very versatile player," Smart said.

Franklin has made only a handful of appearances for Perth's WAFL colts this season due to his commitments with Wesley College.

Earlier this year he shone in the Australian under-17 team which played Ireland in a three-match International Rules series.

Although he is a Melbourne supporter, Franklin admitted his preference was to play for the Eagles or Fremantle.

"I'd love to stay here but if I have to go to Melbourne, or somewhere else, I will," he said.

It should come as no surprise that Franklin has grown up idolising James Hird, a player who is also renowned for his versatility and silken ball handling.

Although he considers himself more of a forward, Franklin said he did not mind being switched into defence when needed.

"I suppose it's good if I can show I can play in more than one position," he said.

"I did that last week (against WA Country) and it didn't worry me at all."

Franklin is not the only WA player to impress AFL scouts.
 
If this Franklin is as good as he is hyped up to be, then we have a real winner.

However, I stand to believe that Fabian Deluca from the Eastern Rangers is one of the best Ruckman/KPP avaliable from this years draft.

Ryan Herring and Daniel Batson have also proved to be dangerous, as has Travis Cloke.

And there is a 207cm ruckman with the name Mark Lynch.

However, I am a firm believer that the Crows need a hard working, bustling, pacy midfielder. Fergus Watts, Trent Hentschel, Ben Rutten, Josh Krueger...Adelaide's list of young KPP goes on and on.

We need someone who can get it out of the engine room and damage his opponents in the guts.

Riccuito isn't going to play football forever...
 
Its a tough call.
If we go for a midfielder 1st up, will there still be quality talls for our second pick?

Can we agressively trade, say a burton to get a second high draft pick to get both a midfielder and tall?
 

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Originally posted by DaveW
Take the best player first up, regardless of type.
I know all clubs say that, but how many clubs actually take best available V need.

Surely at the top end of the draft, where differences between draftees is subjective, you would take need first.

Look at Bulldogs who took best available, ended up with a closet full of midfielders and no quality talls.
 
Originally posted by DaveW
Take the best player first up, regardless of type.
I agree.

Go for the best available regardless of what type the player is. If it was between a midfielder and a quality tall I would always go for tall because they often command greater trade value.

Having said that I very much doubt that Franklin will last until our first pick. I reckon he will end up at Hawthorn where they need some tall timber. I would be stoked if we got him because I have heard some big wraps on the kid.

Bockchoy think about it. If Buddy was as good as he is hyped up to be, would you rather have him in tandem with Watts or would Watts be a better tanden with Bock?????? The key ingridient in successful sides is a STRONG spine and the stronger the spine the better the side. You can aleways trade someone else of our KPP for a midifelder.

Furthermore, I also agree with Wayne's World that we should trade up in the draft so we get 2 top 10 picks. That way we take a tall and a midfielder and stregthen both areas.
 
All hypothetical at this stage.
1) We don't know where we will finish, although the Herald Sun has us winning 2-3 games for the remainder of the year and finishing 14th. ( Richmond and Hawthorn below us, with Hawthorn getting a concessional pick, meaning we would get the 4th pick overall)

2) too early to know who the top draft picks will be?.

But plenty of quality talls - a very important draft for us!
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
I know all clubs say that, but how many clubs actually take best available V need.

Surely at the top end of the draft, where differences between draftees is subjective, you would take need first.

Look at Bulldogs who took best available, ended up with a closet full of midfielders and no quality talls.
I think if the best available is tall and you need midfielders then you go for the best available because gun talls are harder to find than gun midfielders.

If OTOH, you need talls and you get a gun midfielder I would go for a tall unless there is a HUGE difference between the 2.

I think it comes down to what type of player is more difficult ti find. Generally the belief is that midfielders are easier to find that KPP or ruckman. Especially if the KPP in question is CHF or FB.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I think if the best available is tall and you need midfielders then you go for the best available because gun talls are harder to find than gun midfielders.
This one for me. Because we do need midfielders.
 
Originally posted by DaveW
This one for me. Because we do need midfielders.
But Stiffy is right, you build the spine first.
Could get a KPP who is CHB or FB.

Really says we need 2 high draft picks!
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
But Stiffy is right, you build the spine first.
Could get a KPP who is CHB or FB.

Really says we need 2 high draft picks!
Glad we agree on something :)

You need to build the spine first and foremost. If the kid is as good as reported and he is available when our 1st pick comes around they you've got to take him. Crickey if he is as good as reported, then having Buddy and Watts as a FF/CHF combo would be pretty tough to counter.

And I strongly agree with you about getting another top 10 pick via a trade and we have a few players that we can play around with to get the pick. If Stenglein goes I am sure we can make a package that could get us a top 10 pick or we could trade Burton.

Best case scenario would be for us to finish with 5 wins and get the priority pick :p. We definetly need to trade into the top 10 and use those 2 picks wisely.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18

Best case scenario would be for us to finish with 5 wins and get the priority pick :p. We definetly need to trade into the top 10 and use those 2 picks wisely.
Can't see it happening by our draw - worst case I think we would still pick up 2 wins which is 1 too many.

Still may end up with pick 4 overall.
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Can't see it happening by our draw - worst case I think we would still pick up 2 wins which is 1 too many.

Still may end up with pick 4 overall.
7 or 8 out of nine games are against top 8 sides so its not as far fetched as it might look but I agree that we will win more that 1 game for the rest of the year.

We could trade for Cooney and keep our pick in the top 10 so in that case we don't need 2 top 10 picks.
 

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Teenage star could solve Eagles' woes
HE stands 195cm tall, has the aerobic capacity of a midfielder and is equally adept in attack as he is defence.

And he could be the answer to West Coast Eagles fans' prayers.

Lance "Buddy" Franklin may only be 17, but already he is being labelled the standout key-position player in this year's AFL national draft.

"He can play as a key forward, key defender, on the ball, on the wing, on a flank. He is a very versatile player," Smart said.


I certainly wouldn't overlook the guy because the West Australian states he is a key position prospect. Phil Smart seems to indicate he can play anywhere, including midfield.

The article is written with WCE fans as the target audience. They have the weakest spine in the league so are crying out for a key forward, especally someone to play alongside Phil Matera.

Hopefully they will offer a trade for Perrie as he is a WA lad. ;)
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
But Stiffy is right, you build the spine first.
Could get a KPP who is CHB or FB.

Really says we need 2 high draft picks!
What if we packaged Burton with something and/or someone to WB for their 1st pick likely to be in top 10 and Cam Faulkner?????

Trade Stenglein to WC for Waters.
 
What's your obsession with trading for Cooney, Stiffy? He's looked one of the most average of the draftees this season...not very physical or very certain with his ballhandling at all.

As for our drafting this season, it will probably look something like this

Retire:
Carey
Smart
Stevens
Burns

Trade:
Stenglein
Perrie
Burton

Delist
S Stevens
Dabrowski
Hazell
Skipworth
Smith

then....

1st pick
2nd pick
3rd pick: redraft Skipworth
4th pick: redraft Smith

:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by spindoctor
What's your obsession with trading for Cooney, Stiffy? He's looked one of the most average of the draftees this season...not very physical or very certain with his ballhandling at all.
Give him time he'll come good. Very talented and will develop nicely. Doubt WB would trade him at any cost. My second suggestion would probably happen before the Cooney trade ever would.

Delist
S Stevens
Not going to happen. He has a year left on his contract and he will most likely be kept around. He is not as bad a player as you think.

As far as trades go, I reckon we will also be shopping Doughty, Bode, Gallagher, Ladhams and Shirley around as well. Having Said that I doubt there would be many takers.
 
I must admit I'm one of those who are somewhat disappointed with Cooney so far, although the expectations on a #1 draft pick probably are unrealistic.

Having said that, there are quite a few players taken later in the draft that have already done better than Cooney, and look as if they will turn out to be better players than him in the long run as well.

As for what we should do with our first round draft pick, it should be used to get the best posible player, which looks like being a tall KPP this year.

As Stiffy says we must concentrate on building a quality spine, which is so hard to do but so necessary to be successful.

Maybe we could use Perrie and/or Stenglein to pick up a Beau Waters to add some long term oomph to the mid-field.
 
Originally posted by macca23
I must admit I'm one of those who are somewhat disappointed with Cooney so far, although the expectations on a #1 draft pick probably are unrealistic.

Having said that, there are quite a few players taken later in the draft that have already done better than Cooney, and look as if they will turn out to be better players than him in the long run as well.

As for what we should do with our first round draft pick, it should be used to get the best posible player, which looks like being a tall KPP this year.

As Stiffy says we must concentrate on building a quality spine, which is so hard to do but so necessary to be successful.

Maybe we could use Perrie and/or Stenglein to pick up a Beau Waters to add some long term oomph to the mid-field.
Best case scenario for us as far as long term future is concerned is to not win more than 1 game for the rest of the year. That would give us 2 picks in the top 5 or 6. Since thats unlikely to happen then I am of firm belief that we MUST trade into the top 10 so we have 2 picks in the top 10. This would enable us to pick up a tall and a midifelder. As I said I doubt Franklin will lasst past top 2 or 3 picks because both Hawks and Richmond are after talls and he one of the best if not the best.

Trading Stenglein to WC for Waters would be a very good move. This would give us someone we can use as a tagger to replace Stinger and some much needed toughness in the midfield. Waters is a 10 year player. Then I would LOVE to see club trade someone like Burton for a pick in the top 10 (most likely we would need to add something there to balance it out) so we end up with 2 top 10 picks BUT I would be very surprised if AFC had the balls to trade someone like Burton for a draft pick.

The end result is we have 2 picks in the top 10. We have a player who was picked up at #11 the year before and we would still have a pick early in teh 2nd and 3rd rounds to work with.
 

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Trading Stenglein to WC for Waters would be a very good move. This would give us someone we can use as a tagger to replace Stinger and some much needed toughness in the midfield. Waters is a 10 year player

Do you think West Coast would give up Waters to get Stenglein, the fact that they used a pretty early pick on him would suggest that they wouldn't give him up too lightly.
 
Originally posted by Zombie
Do you think West Coast would give up Waters to get Stenglein, the fact that they used a pretty early pick on him would suggest that they wouldn't give him up too lightly.

Agreed.

The reverse also holds with Stenglein though. He has no easy way to get home via the pre-season draft like Stevens did with 10 Victorian clubs, and Adelaide rate him very highly as well as a future leader of the club.

I think Adelaide hold the aces this time as they won't have to part with him unless they want to and that would take a good offer.
 
Originally posted by macca23
Agreed.

The reverse also holds with Stenglein though. He has no easy way to get home via the pre-season draft like Stevens did with 10 Victorian clubs, and Adelaide rate him very highly as well as a future leader of the club.

I think Adelaide hold the aces this time as they won't have to part with him unless they want to and that would take a good offer.

Early 2nd round pick?
 
Originally posted by Zombie
Early 2nd round pick?

I still don't think Adelaide would take that.

They would either want a Waters or a first round pick. That might take some balancing up with a Perrie or a 2nd or 3rd round pick depending on how keen West Coast really are.
 
I wouldn't see the need for WC to aquire Stenglein as he would be behind Judd, Kerr, Embley, Fletcher and Cousins in the midfield and a first round pick would be over the odds for a player to primarily play as a second string midfielder/tagger for the majority of his career.

He's much more important to Adelaide (future wise) than he would be to WC.
 
Originally posted by Zombie
I wouldn't see the need for WC to aquire Stenglein as he would be behind Judd, Kerr, Embley, Fletcher and Cousins in the midfield and a first round pick would be over the odds for a player to primarily play as a second string midfielder/tagger for the majority of his career.

He's much more important to Adelaide (future wise) than he would be to WC.

I don't disagree with anything you've said.

Hopefully he'll stay on with Adelaide.
 

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