2006 Draft profiles (mojo31)

[mojo31]

Mojo could ge your thoughts on were you would rate these players go atm?
Gary Moss, Sean Colbung, Matthew Virgo

Shawn Colbung jr

Forward pocket/midfielder.

177cms and 73kgs
23/5/88
East Perth

Very talented aboriginal player. He has good speed and very impressive skill. He is also capable of winning the ball in contested situations and distributing it out. Can take players on and run and carry as well. Very clever around goals.
Needs to work on his defensive side of his game. Not sure I like the look of his body either. Not cut and has a bit of a question mark for such a young kid. Hope he does not have weight problems going forward. Is short and a small frame and might be a problem. Just lacks defintion and looks a bit soft.
Wins a lot of the ball and is a very good kick. Another question mark on his ability to play midfield full time in the AFL with a query on his endurance.

I would have him about 30 to 40 at this stage. Height, body type and size and endurance would be things to watch out for with him.

 

[mojo31]

Gary Moss

5/7/88
179cms and 69kgs

East Perth

Left footer. Beautiful kick. Plays as a forward pocket and also gets a rtun onball. Clever around goals and knows where they are and is dangerous and can snap and crumb a good goal.
Pretty quick and a good user around the ground and makes good decisions. Not selfish but will go for goal and take responsability but also dish it off. The sort of player you like for it to be in his hands going forward as good things happen.
Very small and is pretty short and got a small body. Does not stop him tackling though and he has a good technique and is ferocious at the man. Think he can make it as a midfielder and he seems to run all day. Just plays forward a lot and think he can move into the midfield and spend more time there.

Had a shoulder/collar bone injury which set him back a little. Reports are he is having a very good pre season and might push up for senior games. A bit of a smoky and is small but I like him and how he plays.
Gives everything he has and has talent.

Around the 35 to 50 mark at his size. If he fills out before the draft substantially and plays mostly midfield then he will move right up.

 

[mojo31]

Have to head out now and running a bit late. Will answer everything tomorrow afternoon now. Sorry about that.
I got a number of pms and was trying to answer them as well.

Thanks everyone and have a goodnight.

 

[Lingsface]

Shawn Colbung jr

Forward pocket/midfielder.

177cms and 73kgs
23/5/88
East Perth

Very talented aboriginal player. He has good speed and very impressive skill. He is also capable of winning the ball in contested situations and distributing it out. Can take players on and run and carry as well. Very clever around goals.
Needs to work on his defensive side of his game. Not sure I like the look of his body either. Not cut and has a bit of a question mark for such a young kid. Hope he does not have weight problems going forward. Is short and a small frame and might be a problem. Just lacks defintion and looks a bit soft.
Wins a lot of the ball and is a very good kick. Another question mark on his ability to play midfield full time in the AFL with a query on his endurance.

I would have him about 30 to 40 at this stage. Height, body type and size and endurance would be things to watch out for with him.

Cheers Mojo just wanted to get a grip on were u rated these two as they are very high up in my books...but agree with what you say about there height and body shapes.

Shawn Colbung would be close on the best kick around and has changed his body shape looks to be very much thinner around the midrift. One intra club match was close on best on ground in league apparantley, and all reports say held his own on the weekend as well. Ran about a 12-13 in beep test i think.

Gary Moss If he stays on track and has a season without injuries could be challenge for the best mdfielder in the colts level, use to get bog's when he was 15-16 for colts, according to the league coach on th website he has impressed with his poise and skills and that is what he is a real natural footballer who can run a 15 in a beep test as well.

 

[LukeHodge15]

Nothing is off topic in here mate. Just ask away and when I have time I will answer as best as I can.

When I wrote those profiles on the 2005 draft I had not seen anywhere near as many tapes and highlights as I have know. So If I had to do it again I would change the order a bit and add a lot more detail. But that draft is over and it does not change anything now.

So on Muston.

He was absolutely dominant at the start of the last year. I mean dominant as in game breaking and absolutely electric. Pace, flair, skill and kicked goals and was so natural. Skinny as a twig and tall but he could flat out play the game like very few others of his age can. So I can see where his coach is coming from to describe him as like Deledio.
The thing with Muston is that he was much older when he was doing it compared to the very bottom aged Deledio when he dominated before getting drafted.

So it will come down to Mustons ability to recover from his knee and to put on weight. Pretty big risks but worth it. I am surprised he lasted until 22 to be honest and think he will embarrass a few clubs who overlooked him.

just finished watching a dvd of beau muston playing last year........
game against ballarat in the TAC.

if he comes back from his knee injury even at 90% of what it was, i will guarentee he will embarass a heap of clubs.

this kid can flat out play, the thing that really stood out to me was his footy brain he reads the play exceptionallly well, positioning at base of a marking contest, reading the ball of his ruckman and general positioning around the ground. these things are hard to teach and beau already has them.

his vertical leap and fearless attack on the footy were other standouts, he flew for a couple of marks that he wasnt entitled to even be in the contest.

will never be an exceptional kick beacsue his kicking style is a little flawed but can still roost the footy 60 metres. his main weakness that i could see was his handball on both sides of his body.......very very poor. but handball is the easiet skill to teach someone so all i can see is huge upside as long as the knee is OK.

after watching this game, couldnt believe that he lasted until 22 in a so called weak draft. collingwood were very keen on him and i think they will shudder everytime they see muston in the future

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

after watching this game, couldnt believe that he lasted until 22 in a so called weak draft. collingwood were very keen on him and i think they will shudder everytime they see muston in the future

If we were very keen on him, surely we would have drafted him at #21.

I would buy that we WERE keen on him before we found out that his knee graft wasn't taking, but with such a knee injury, decided to go in a different direction.

Besides, we had already drafted a couple of players of his type, so it wasn't really a need.

 

[mojo31]

just finished watching a dvd of beau muston playing last year........
game against ballarat in the TAC.

if he comes back from his knee injury even at 90% of what it was, i will guarentee he will embarass a heap of clubs.

this kid can flat out play, the thing that really stood out to me was his footy brain he reads the play exceptionallly well, positioning at base of a marking contest, reading the ball of his ruckman and general positioning around the ground. these things are hard to teach and beau already has them.

his vertical leap and fearless attack on the footy were other standouts, he flew for a couple of marks that he wasnt entitled to even be in the contest.

will never be an exceptional kick beacsue his kicking style is a little flawed but can still roost the footy 60 metres. his main weakness that i could see was his handball on both sides of his body.......very very poor. but handball is the easiet skill to teach someone so all i can see is huge upside as long as the knee is OK.

after watching this game, couldnt believe that he lasted until 22 in a so called weak draft. collingwood were very keen on him and i think they will shudder everytime they see muston in the future

Agree with what you are saying.

Muston against the Jets and ACT Rams was even more dominant. Obviously the knee graft not taking frightened a lot of clubs off. Still worth a chance before pick 22 I would have thought.
Beau does not need to be taught the game. He just needs to get himself right and fit and strong. Might take 3 years or it may never happen.

He can do things and play in a way that very few (if any) players available in the 2005 draft can. He wont be consistent or a "hard nut" but if you want freak with a capital f and pure unadualterated talent then Muston is the man.

 

[mojo31]

Cheers Mojo just wanted to get a grip on were u rated these two as they are very high up in my books...but agree with what you say about there height and body shapes.

Shawn Colbung would be close on the best kick around and has changed his body shape looks to be very much thinner around the midrift. One intra club match was close on best on ground in league apparantley, and all reports say held his own on the weekend as well. Ran about a 12-13 in beep test i think.

Gary Moss If he stays on track and has a season without injuries could be challenge for the best mdfielder in the colts level, use to get bog's when he was 15-16 for colts, according to the league coach on th website he has impressed with his poise and skills and that is what he is a real natural footballer who can run a 15 in a beep test as well.

Colbung I am concerned how he might run out a gaem onball. Just is a bit of a burst player and might lack endurance.
A high 13 in the beep is where at least a midfielder should be at least if fully fit. Glad to hear his body shape is looking better. Beautiful kick oif the ball and a very exciting player.
I have not had a report on him so I dont know how he is going so thanks for that.
I have heard Jetta is burning the grass over there and is fit and stronger and bigger. Leuenberger had a groin niggle and is not in full training and a couple of others I hear a bit about there pre seasons.

WA are going to have some team come U18 Championships time.

Gary Moss is a very long kick and gets a lot of ball when used as a mid and not in the forward pocket. If he can get his body right and can reach peak fitness and play onball this year he should push for senior selection. A couple of cms and fill his small body out and he would move way up in the rankings.

 

[Bentleigh]

@ mojo31

Which players do you feel Richmond will target this up comming draft?

 

[mojo31]

@ mojo31

Which players do you feel Richmond will target this up comming draft?

Nobody over 5 foot 3 for a start.

Depends on Gaspar and Richo and how there bodies hold up this year. Looking at Wallace at the Dogs he kept taking speed and skill even when he had a lot already. Thats what he is bulding and will use a couple of talls and build around them and tall flankers/versatile players to pinch hit. Then try and dominate in the midfield with pure speed and ball carriers.

So Gaspar and Richo are the talls. Bowden and some others who are flanker sized are asked to play taller and run off opponents. I see that as continuing with the Deledio/Tambling/JON ball carriers in midfield in the future. With Coughlan and Tuck as in and unders.
Does not seem that keen on rucks either and just wants someone to be competitive and reliable.

So I would assume its one of those ball carriers with flair like Jetta, Collard and those types he would like. It depends on player development this year and if Hughes, Thursfield, Schulz and Pattison and how they are looking to replace Gaspar and Richo in the future.

If it was me I would be looking at Hansen or Thorp who can play either end and are athletic and versatile. Maybe a Riewoldt if your picking after 6.
I would also be considering Leuenberger to ruck and use him instead of Knobel in the future. Stafford is near the end and Simmonds is a bit in between a KPP and a ruck. Okay at both and a solid backup as a ruck.

I very much doubt Wallace would do that though. He will keep taking runners first up and using later picks to pinch a KPP/ruck.

Also depends on where you are picking from. A midtable position lends itself to a pretty even group with the first pick and picking the type of player Wallace likes will be fairly easy.
A bottom 4 finish lands you smack bang in "future gun territory" and maybe picking outside the bounds of the charter and a change of heart.

The old best available full stop versus the best available according to what he wants.

 

[Lingsface]

I have heard Jetta is burning the grass over there and is fit and stronger and bigger. Leuenberger had a groin niggle and is not in full training and a couple of others I hear a bit about there pre seasons.

WA are going to have some team come U18 Championships time.

Yeah Jetta and Collard have been putting in solid performances with league and Jetta was one of the best on ground on the weekend against subiaco.

Leunberger has been having troubles with his groin for about a month nothing serious though will be good for rd1, is alot stronger this year doing alot of weights.

Benjamin is just resuming running i think after his ankle surgery in december which apparantley first started at the championships.

Scott Gumbelton has een dong very well and looks to be a contender to play league rd 1.

 

[Bentleigh]

With pick 8 Miller wanted Dowler/Ryder/Kennedy

With all those gone Richmond picked who they thought was the best player left/would best suit the style of play in JON, rather than take who they rated a 'B' grade player just to target a KPP.

Seems like a pretty sound theory to me. More so when you score Hughes @ 24.

IMO the non-drafting of KPP is a myth.

 

[mojo31]

With pick 8 Miller wanted Dowler/Ryder/Kennedy.

With all those gone Richmond picked who they thought was the best player left/would best suit the style of play in JON, rather than take who they rated a 'B' grade player just to target a KPP.

Seems like a pretty sound theory to me. More so when you score Hughes @ 24.

IMO the non-drafting of KPP is a myth.

It is not how many KPP you draft but where you take them that signals a clubs intent and how badly they are trying to build a spine..

Hawks 2004/5
2 Roughead
3 Ellis
5 Franklin
6 Dowler
7 Lewis
14 Birchall more a tall flanker but is 192cms
18 Bailey ruck
21 Murphy
22 Muston
26 Little

Richmond
1 Deledio
4 Tambling
8 JON
12 Meyer
16 Pattison
20 Polo
24 Hughes

Now 1 club has made a concerntrated effort to build a spoine through the draft. The other club is building a midfield with speed and skill and as an afterthought adding some talls.

8 Mitch Clark
or
4 Lance Franklin

and I would agree with you but it was 8 JON and 4 Tambling.
Hawks could also have gone (2) Griffen or Tambling but took a bit of a chance on a tall instead.

1 club also recruited Simmonds, Graham and Knobel and the other club went the draft.

 

[mojo31]

Yeah Jetta and Collard have been putting in solid performances with league and Jetta was one of the best on ground on the weekend against subiaco.

Leunberger has been having troubles with his groin for about a month nothing serious though will be good for rd1, is alot stronger this year doing alot of weights.

Benjamin is just resuming running i think after his ankle surgery in december which apparantley first started at the championships.

Scott Gumbelton has een dong very well and looks to be a contender to play league rd 1.

Benjamin was shocking at the carnival and would explain his poor form there. Gumbleton was also a little disappointing but he was carrying an injury into that as well I realize now.
The report I get on Leuenberger is that he is taller and filled out and would expect him to play seniors in the ruck this year. He will be dominant.

I also like Domenic Foster from East Fremantle. A full forward who kicked 60 plus last year in the Colts and is a fine full forward who kicks well and has very good hands. I think he has potential and will be drafted.
Missed the final cut in the U18s for WA.

 

[Silvagnis]

Thats what he is bulding and will use a couple of talls and build around them and tall flankers/versatile players to pinch hit. Then try and dominate in the midfield with pure speed and ball carriers.

I find it ironic that Wallace has complained that the speed of the game is increasing yet he keeps drafting speedsters.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18438453%255E36035,00.html

 

[Bentleigh]

It is not how many KPP you draft but where you take them that signals a clubs intent and how badly they are trying to build a spine..

Hawks 2004/5
2 Roughead
3 Ellis
5 Franklin
6 Dowler
7 Lewis
14 Birchall more a tall flanker but is 192cms
18 Bailey ruck
21 Murphy
22 Muston
26 Little

Richmond
1 Deledio
4 Tambling
8 JON
12 Meyer
16 Pattison
20 Polo
24 Hughes

Now 1 club has made a concerntrated effort to build a spoine through the draft. The other club is building a midfield with speed and skill and as an afterthought adding some talls.

8 Mitch Clark
or
4 Lance Franklin

and I would agree with you but it was 8 JON and 4 Tambling.
Hawks could also have gone (2) Griffen or Tambling but took a bit of a chance on a tall instead.

1 club also recruited Simmonds, Graham and Knobel and the other club went the draft.

• Roughead & Dowler are KPP.
• Bailey is a ruckman, Franklin & Bailey are flanker types.

Over the course of 2 drafts under Wallace Richmond have drafted a KPP/ruckman (Pattison) first round and a KPP early 2nd Round (Hughes). Compared to the other 16 AFL clubs this compare pretty well.

Regardless of the number of other players we have taken in and around these pick ups the KPP them selfs stack up strongly if not better than most of the AFL other 16 clubs; bar Hawthorn.

No doubt Wallace/Miller have focused on the type of club the invision in the future with a tall/fast/skillful midfield yet adding 2 KPP: 1 first round, 1 2nd early 2nd round of the course of 2 drafts is hardly an 'after thought'.

• Tambling was highly rated.
• Clark was viewed as inferior in comparison to the KPP which went before whom the club rated top-sheld. The best player rather than drafting KPP just for the value of drafting tall was choosen. Im more than content with each.

1 club traded Simmonds for Fiora, picked up Knobel 'free' in the PSD and took Graham late in the draft to allow the like of young KPP to develop.

 

[mojo31]

I find it ironic that Wallace has complained that the speed of the game is increasing yet he keeps drafting speedsters.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18438453%255E36035,00.html

He was not complaining Cypher. He just wanted to get some more media so thought he would just throw that out there. The new rules and the speed of the game suit him down to the ground.

 

[purebomber]

Mojo, I would like to know your thoughts on Jake Foulds from Calder if possible, thaks mate.

 

[mojo31]

• Roughead & Dowler are KPP.
• Bailey is a ruckman, Franklin & Bailey are flanker types.

Over the course of 2 drafts under Wallace Richmond have drafted a KPP/ruckman (Pattison) first round and a KPP early 2nd Round (Hughes). Compared to the other 16 AFL clubs this compare pretty well.

Regardless of the number of other players we have taken in and around these pick ups the KPP them selfs stack up strongly if not better than most of the AFL other 16 clubs; bar Hawthorn.

No doubt Wallace/Miller have focused on the type of club the invision in the future with a tall/fast/skillful midfield yet adding 2 KPP: 1 first round, 1 2nd early 2nd round of the course of 2 drafts is hardly an 'after thought'.

• Tambling was highly rated.
• Clark was viewed as inferior in comparison to the KPP which went before whom the club rated top-sheld. The best player rather than drafting KPP just for the value of drafting tall was choosen. Im more than content with each.

1 club traded Simmonds for Fiora, picked up Knobel 'free' in the PSD and took Graham late in the draft to allow the like of young KPP to develop.

You are rationalizing away the picks. Of course there were reasons players were picked.

The facts are Hawks overlooked Griffen and Tambling to get Roughead. They also took Dowler who is on the long term injury and a risk but took him anyway. They are not looking to plug a gap with a tall for a while. They are looking for a complete and utter rebuild of the spine.

Richmond on the other hand are chewing up places on the list and salary cap to get Simmonds and others. There is no such thing as getting a player for free. Work out the cost of running the club and divide it by the number of players.
Thats about 500k for each player each year.

So you asked for my opinion. I gave it and now you are going to turn this into a "Richmond did the right thing thread".

1 club is building a spine. 1 is building a midfield.

Now where did I say that 1 is better than the other? All I pointed out is that 1club is more likely to pick speed and skill over KPP because you asked me what type of player you think Richmond will target.

Now instead of writing up profiles on players for the 2006 draft which have been asked it has turned into main board Richmond vs Hawk thread.

Not my intention at all.

The game is going the way Richmond are drafting. Watch the NAB cup games and see the keepings off, uncontested ball, run and run and run style of no body contact and realize your club is in prime position to capitalize on that. Not how I like the game to be going but it looks like it is now.

I dont really understand the issue you have. I stated the draft picks the clubs used. Birchall is 192 and Franklin 196 and Bailey is a ruck. All talls as I stated.

2 and pick 6 compared to 16 and 24 if you want to reduce it down to just that then.
Roughead/Dowler versus Pattison/Hughes to see a clubs intent about there priority.

Birchall is the same height as Hughes (and a lot younger) so you better not list him as a KPP either.

 

[Bentleigh]

You are rationalizing away the picks. Of course there were reasons players were picked.

The facts are Hawks overlooked Griffen and Tambling to get Roughead. They also took Dowler who is on the long term injury and a risk but took him anyway. They are not looking to plug a gap with a tall for a while. They are looking for a complete and utter rebuild of the spine.

Richmond on the other hand are chewing up places on the list and salary cap to get Simmonds and others. There is no such thing as getting a player for free. Work out the cost of running the club and divide it by the number of players.
Thats about 500k for each player each year.

So you asked for my opinion. I gave it and now you are going to turn this into a "Richmond did the right thing thread".

1 club is building a spine. 1 is building a midfield.

Now where did I say that 1 is better than the other? All I pointed out is that 1club is more likely to pick speed and skill over KPP because you asked me what type of player you think Richmond will target.

Now instead of writing up profiles on players for the 2006 draft which have been asked it has turned into main board Richmond vs Hawk thread.

Not my intention at all.

The game is going the way Richmond are drafting. Watch the NAB cup games and see the keepings off, uncontested ball, run and run and run style of no body contact and realize your club is in prime position to capitalize on that. Not how I like the game to be going but it looks like it is now.

I dont really understand the issue you have. I stated the draft picks the clubs used. Birchall is 192 and Franklin 196 and Bailey is a ruck. All talls as I stated.

2 and pick 6 compared to 16 and 24 if you want to reduce it down to just that then.
Roughead/Dowler versus Pattison/Hughes to see a clubs intent about there priority.

Birchall is the same height as Hughes (and a lot younger) so you better not list him as a KPP either.

JON is a very much bottom age whilst Tambling was always going to be a long term investment with little expected over the first season seasons. What gap were Richmond 'venturing to plug' with these 2 lads?

Building a quailty midfield for the long term.

Richmond were in real trouble of not meeting the min-player payments for the cap lets alone 'filling it'. You have to remember, comming off 2004 the list was not all that crash hot. Simmonds isn't on alot and his bottom ended contract means towards the end of his carrer space will be made for the up and commers. Knobel and Graham (500k each per year ) are hardly on top bracket whilst the loss of the like of Ottens, Campbell along with many other fringe types (Zantuck etc.) ment space isn't going to be an issue.

From what I've seen of each Birchall & Franklin you are clutching at straws to claim either is a KPP.

Again - compared to Hawthorn, Richmond has not done as well in the drafting of a spine yet Hawthorn are an extreme and one off example.

Compared to the other 14 sides in the league we have done quite well in that regard. More so when you take into account the future midfeild/running types we have drafted.


I asked what type of players to you think Richmond will target in the next drafting assuming we finsh (realisticly) 15th/14th-9th.

 

[djboonie]

I asked what type of players to you think Richmond will target in the next drafting assuming we finsh (realisticly) 15th/14th-9th.

Just tell Bentleigh what he wants to hear...

Richmond already have the best young midfield in the comp and they will go for KPP to compliment their midfield stocks. The KPP they select will turn out to be the best in the competition.

 

[mojo31]

Mojo, I would like to know your thoughts on Jake Foulds from Calder if possible, thaks mate.

Sorry mate. I know you asked me yesterday and I have not said anything yet.
I apologize for that.

Jake Foulds plays with Calder Cannons.
Born 8/8/1988. Listed at 188cms and 77kgs.

Played 4 games last year when others were playing and training for trila and Champs games. He was asked to play full forward and also spent a lot of time on the bench.

He did some okay things but needs to really work on his fitness and strength. Not involved enough and did not always compete as well as he could have. Might make 1 lead and if ignored would not butter up for another 1. Just not enough work rate. Lakcs the athleticism to play as a midfielder or the smarts to do it.
So he will need to grow if he wants to be a full forward.

To be honest I dont see it based on last year. I have not seen him much and I could be a long way off the mark though. He might also have improved a lot since then. He will need to be taller and stronger and fitter to be a chance based on what I have seen so far.

 

[mojo31]

JON is a very much bottom age whilst Tambling was always going to be a long term investment with little expected over the first season seasons. What gap were Richmond 'venturing to plug' with these 2 lads?

Building a quailty midfield for the long term.

Richmond were in real trouble of not meeting the min-player payments for the cap lets alone 'filling it'. You have to remember, comming off 2004 the list was not all that crash hot. Simmonds isn't on alot and his bottom ended contract means towards the end of his carrer space will be made for the up and commers. Knobel and Graham (500k each per year ) are hardly on top bracket whilst the loss of the like of Ottens, Campbell along with many other fringe types (Zantuck etc.) ment space isn't going to be an issue.

From what I've seen of each Birchall & Franklin you are clutching at straws to claim either is a KPP.

Again - compared to Hawthorn, Richmond has not done as well in the drafting of a spine yet Hawthorn are an extreme and one off example.

Compared to the other 14 sides in the league we have done quite well in that regard. More so when you take into account the future midfeild/running types we have drafted.


I asked what type of players to you think Richmond will target in the next drafting assuming we finsh (realisticly) 15th/14th-9th.

Graham and Knobel are plugging a gap. Graham is gone now. Simmonds is a bit of a gap filler. Not really a ruck and not really a KPP. Decent player but you cant build a side around him.

Thanks for telling me about JON and Tambling. I was not aware of them. They were drafted? How does that work?

Can you explain to me about these kids and the draft? The upcoming draft. The 2005 draft and so on.

Maybe what you could do is create a thread about it and take questions from people and spread the word? I would never think to do that. To create a thread about the draft.

The 500k figure is taking this into account. Costs of running a club divided by the number of players.
20mil plus to run a club and 40 odd players. Do the maths. Thats where the figure comes from. Thats what each player costs regardless of the salary. To pay to run the club and for the admin, coaches and support staff and all expenses.

Going out and picking a player who comes for free is not right. If you take them then they are part of the 40 odd and so are very valuable when considering thats all clubs have. 40 odd players in which they generate 20 million plus in revenue to keep the club afloat.

I have said Richmond are building a midfield and Hawks are building a spine. I also just said I never passed judgement on which is better. I just made an obervation about how 2 clubs are going about it.

I have answered all of your questions. I also explained why Wallace would take a certain type. Then gave my opinion as to what I would do.

This is just going around in circles.

This belongs on the main board not the draft board.

 

[LukeHodge15]

Graham and Knobel are plugging a gap. Graham is gone now. Simmonds is a bit of a gap filler. Not really a ruck and not really a KPP. Decent player but you cant build a side around him.

Thanks for telling me about JON and Tambling. I was not aware of them. They were drafted? How does that work?

Can you explain to me about these kids and the draft? The upcoming draft. The 2005 draft and so on.

Maybe what you could do is create a thread about it and take questions from people and spread the word? I would never think to do that. To create a thread about the draft.

The 500k figure is taking this into account. Costs of running a club divided by the number of players.
20mil plus to run a club and 40 odd players. Do the maths. Thats where the figure comes from. Thats what each player costs regardless of the salary. To pay to run the club and for the admin, coaches and support staff and all expenses.

Going out and picking a player who comes for free is not right. If you take them then they are part of the 40 odd and so are very valuable when considering thats all clubs have. 40 odd players in which they generate 20 million plus in revenue to keep the club afloat.

I have said Richmond are building a midfield and Hawks are building a spine. I also just said I never passed judgement on which is better. I just made an obervation about how 2 clubs are going about it.

I have answered all of your questions. I also explained why Wallace would take a certain type. Then gave my opinion as to what I would do.

This is just going around in circles.

This belongs on the main board not the draft board.

stop making so much sense mojo, u ruining a good highjacked thread by bent lee. just accept he is a tool and continue on ur way with a great thread

 

[mojo31]

I have made an absolute mess of this thread in trying to answer Bentleigh.

I was quoting him and instead of replying I have hit edit and looks like my post is his and so on. I never edit someones posts unless they are being abusive.
I did not agree with Bentleigh but he was never abusive so I would never edit someone for the simple reason of them disagreeing with me.

This is what I was trying to post after quoting Bentleighs post.

Carlton 2004/5

1 Murphy
4 Kennedy
9 Russell
20 Bower
25 Hartlett

serious attempt to build a spine despite midfield weaknesses.

Essendon 2003/4/5

6 Bradley
7 Ryder
13 Stanton
14 Monfries
19 Dempsey
28 Nash
30 Lee

take a tall first up with high picks. Use later picks to get mids.

Collingwood (similar to Richmond and building a midfield)

2 Thomas
5 Pendlebury
10 Egan
21 Stanley
23 Rusling borderline KPP at 190 but plays like a FF.

T Cloke as well but basically runners galore.

Different strategies for different clubs. Depending on game style and what they already have.
Wait 5 plus years and see who is more successful.