Draft Review 2007 - Redo the 2007 Draft

[w00dy]

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Carlton - Pick 1 - Rioli (Haw/P12)
Richmond - Pick 2 - Kreuzer (Carl/P1
West Coast - Pick 3 - Morton (Mel/P4)
Melbourne - Pick 4 - Taylor (Geel/P17)
Western Bulldogs - Pick 5 - Palmer (Frem/P7)
Essendon - Pick 6 - Otten (Adel/P27)
Fremantle - Pick 7 - Pears (Ess/P23)
Brisbane - Pick 8 - Masten (WC/P3)
St. Kilda - Pick 9 - Ward (WB/P19)
Adelaide - Pick 10 - Dangerfield (Adel/P10)
Sydney - Pick 11 - Grimes (Mel/P14)
Hawthorn - Pick 12 - Walker (Adel/P75)
West Coast - Pick 13 - Dalziell (Bris-WC/P52)
Melbourne - Pick 14 - Thompson (NM/P37)
North Melbourne - Pick 15 - Cotchin (Ric/P2) only due to injuries.
Port Adelaide - Pick 16 - Ebert (WC/P13)
Geelong - Pick 17 - Greenwood (NM/P32)

Melbourne take two mature age key defenders in the first round, when we already have Frawley, Garland, Warnock, Rivers, Carroll on our list at the time? Dangerfield still manages to get to Adelaide at 10? I don't think so...

 

[goldcoastfc]

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Dangerfield is really getting overrated on this thread. Would be behind several others so far.

Still will be a good player.

 

[goDees22]

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No way Masten has shown more than morton at this stage. The thread is pointless, wait at least 5 years. btw i'd definitely have grimes over morton

 

[Moo]

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Just no.
Dangerfield easily No. 2. The kid is a gun & hard at it too. Good skills & just good overall. He does what Palmer does & can kick.

Look I think PD will be a very good player but lets cut the rubbish .....does what Palmer does? certainly not yet.

Dangerfield .....Career high is 20 disposals
Palmer averages 22 disposals

Dangerfield is being eased in and Palmer copped a hard tag with very little help.

When I see PD running around being tagged and picking up 25 disposals then you can say he does all Palmer does.

 

[Mego Red]

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Top 20 for mine -

1. Kreuzer
2. Rioli
3. Cotchin
4. Dangerfield
5. Grimes
6. Otten
7. Morton
8. Palmer
9. McEvoy
10. Masten
11. Pears
12. Ebert
13. Ward
14. Myers
15. Thompson
16. Rance
17. Grant
18. Walker
19. Henderson
20. Whitecross

 

[coasting]

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Rioli is massively overrated on bigfooty.

 

[lunacy]

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Yeah i tend to agree (dangerfield is overrated)

He did only averaged 13 possesions a game this year.

Has the talent to be rated as high as some have him but i would like to see how he performs more in a midfield role (same as Rioli) before doing the same.

As an example Masten from my side went to the midfield after the mid season break and played seven games in a row getting over 20 possesions including a game high 37 before getting injured whilst Dangerfield best game possession wise was 20 vs Freo in round 3

Misinformed. Dangerfield played most of his footy as a leading forward on the ff line. Only had very small stints in midfield. Lacks fitness because he basically had no preseason (injuries).

Plus people forget he was at school last year in Melb and played TAC cup. This yr was basically his first year and not just in the AFL but his first year over in Adelaide with the club.

If he has a full preseason next yr he'll be extremely good. And like Gary Ablett Jr he has the ability to go forward if getting tagged or if not having an impact. Btw most of his possessions are contested possessions because he doesnt have the tank yet to run and link up. He may have averaged 13 possessions a game like you said but 9 or 10 of those would be contested possessions which is massive. The sort of qualities you want when he starts getting tagged (eg Ablett, Judd qualities).

 

[Neville Bartos]

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Dangerfield is really getting overrated on this thread. Would be behind several others so far.

Still will be a good player.

Yeah, couldn't agree more with you.

FWIW, my effort:

1. Carlton - Kreuzer (Carlton needed a ruckman and he hasn't disappointed so far)
2. Richmond - Cotchin (Richmond also needed a gun midfielder and he looks like he'll get there without injuries)
3. West Coast - Rioli (Albeit with a risk of convincing him to play in WA, Exactly what West Coast need)
4. Melbourne - Palmer (Morton is a going to be a great player, but Palmer would be running their midfield by now)
5. Western Bulldogs - Henderson (surprised they didn't take him in the first place. Hasn't shown much, but looks more likely than Grant)
6. Essendon - Pears (They got him anyway albeit with a later pick, but he is holding their backline together already. Gun player)
7. Fremantle - Morton (If he was available, they would have loved him for his flexibility and being a local doesn't hurt)
8. Brisbane - Masten (Best available and showed some very good signs this year.)
9. St Kilda - McEvoy (No change as the Saints are in need of ruck depth)
10. Adeliade - Dangerfield (Again no change, as Adelaide rate this guy pretty highly and he's looking pretty good in the future).
11. Sydney - Ward (Tough nut = Paul Roos likes you)
12. Hawthorn - Taylor (Hawks needed two types of players, a small forward and a key defender)
13. West Coast - Ebert (No change, good player already who will be a consistent midfielder for them)
14. Melbourne - Grimes (Was a toss up for Sydney between Grimes and Ward, but Ward snuck in for me)
15. North Melbourne - Rance (Despite being a cheap dog who punches blokes in the mouth as they're held down by teammates, Rance has done pretty well this year. North have had no luck with Tarrant's shoulders so Rance would still be ahead of him and they need key-position players).
16. Port - Jarrad Grant (Would fit in well with Westhoff)
17. Geelong - David Myers (In the hope of him developing into a key-defender)

 

[morebeer]

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How often do you read in bf that Cyril is over rated. I swear some people only watch their own team and have no ability to appreciate real talent. Just because people may dislike Hawthorn, their fans, coach, president or whatever does not diminish this guys ability.

 

[Mismatched]

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I take it you didn't see him take on THE main man in Riewoldt in THE biggest game of the year and give him a bath. Which he has done before, in a final too. He is playing as a key position player against the best forwards week after week and at the very least holding his own, yet you would take McEvoy ahead of him? Oh please.

An injured Riewoldt it turns out, but otherwise, yeah he did a pretty good job.

Dangerfield is sooo overrated, hes not that good. Pick 10-12 is just about right for him.

You go on thinking that, we havn't seen close to Paddy's best.

Yeah i tend to agree

He did only averaged 13 possesions a game this year.

Has the talent to be rated as high as some have him but i would like to see how he performs more in a midfield role (same as Rioli) before doing the same.

As an example Masten from my side went to the midfield after the mid season break and played seven games in a row getting over 20 possesions including a game high 37 before getting injured whilst Dangerfield best game possession wise was 20 vs Freo in round 3

Just on Patty, he hasn't been a massive accumulator of possessions and probably won't ever average high 20's or early 30's as many do these days. But he's the kind of player who can tear a side to shreds with just 20 possessions.

How many kids have the ability, as a teenager, to dive into a pack, stand up with 3 blokes hanging off of him and either dish off a handball to a running player, or just run away from the pack himself. This bloke will be a clearance and contested ball king, but at the same time still having a very damaging outside game.

To judge him in general on what he's produced so far, is extremely misleading. His tank(for various reasons, not necessarily his fault) wasn't up to AFL standard this year and he missed out on games during the preseason because of it, as such his game-time and even more so his time spent in the midfield was limited. He was restricted to short stints in the guts, tellingly these would often be at crucial stages of the game, spending the rest of his time as a leading/roaming forward.

You can't just take a look at Patty's stats to judge how good a player he's going to be, you actually have to watch some of his work around the ground, he does some very special things that few others can do. Similar happened with Tippett last year and early this year, statistically didn't show a heap, but the signs were there, similar with Dangerfield, only there's more signs.

 

[NYJetsfor2029]

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Just on Patty, he hasn't been a massive accumulator of possessions and probably won't ever average high 20's or early 30's as many do these days. But he's the kind of player who can tear a side to shreds with just 20 possessions.

paddy's low possession count is just being talked up at the moment because some idiot said he does everything Palmer does and more, while as you've said its quite likely he'll never has rhys' ball winning ability.

for me:

1. Kruizer - still what carlton need and looks very, very good
2. Cotchin - best mid in the draft, all the skills and will get his body right
3. Masten - second best mid, fits the eagles perfectly
4. Rioli - too classy to pass up here
5. Palmer - great ball winner
6. Morton
7. Dangerfield
8. Pears
9. Ward
10. Grimes
11. Ebert
12. Rance
13. McEvoy
14. Taylor
15. Vezpremi
16. Grant
17. Henderson

 

[morebeer]

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Quality draft. Much better than advertised.

Are doggies fans as nervous about Grant as some dons fans are about Myers?

 

[Rubber Pants]

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I'm pretty happy with one Chris Mayne at pick 40.

Eagles also did pretty well in the PSD and rookie draft getting McGinnity and Wilson.
Other notable rookies were Wonaeamirri, A Joseph, C Stokes and Mumford.
It was quite amazing how many ex players were picked up in that draft too with Dew, Gehrig, Johnson and Bradley going late.

 

[Neville Bartos]

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Ohh I totally forgot someone...


1. STUART F***ING DEW - The only player from this draft to have won a flag off his own big meaty left boot.
2-100. Who cares

 

[Bestbird]

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An injured Riewoldt it turns out, but otherwise, yeah he did a pretty good job.



You go on thinking that, we havn't seen close to Paddy's best.



Just on Patty, he hasn't been a massive accumulator of possessions and probably won't ever average high 20's or early 30's as many do these days. But he's the kind of player who can tear a side to shreds with just 20 possessions.

How many kids have the ability, as a teenager, to dive into a pack, stand up with 3 blokes hanging off of him and either dish off a handball to a running player, or just run away from the pack himself. This bloke will be a clearance and contested ball king, but at the same time still having a very damaging outside game.

To judge him in general on what he's produced so far, is extremely misleading. His tank(for various reasons, not necessarily his fault) wasn't up to AFL standard this year and he missed out on games during the preseason because of it, as such his game-time and even more so his time spent in the midfield was limited. He was restricted to short stints in the guts, tellingly these would often be at crucial stages of the game, spending the rest of his time as a leading/roaming forward.

You can't just take a look at Patty's stats to judge how good a player he's going to be, you actually have to watch some of his work around the ground, he does some very special things that few others can do. Similar happened with Tippett last year and early this year, statistically didn't show a heap, but the signs were there, similar with Dangerfield, only there's more signs.

Regarding Dangerfield

I did mention in my post the he coulds be rated higher because of some of the attributes you mentioned but i reserved my judgement due to others that were drafted earlier (Palmer,Cotchin and Morton) who have already played predominatly in the midfield and aquitted themselves well.

I used Masten from my side as an example in my earlier post (because like you i have a more intimate knowledge of my sides players). He was played in the midfield full time mid season after overcoming OP which included a limited training program yet was probably our best midfielder later in the season till he got injured, Taking into account that our midfield was weakened with Cox & Kerr not playing due to injury it was a very impressive effort.


As for the Draft

1. Kreuzer - Still think Carlton would select him at number one, more so with Fevola leaving although i have some reservations that he will be the best ruckman around his age considering the likes of Ryder, Clark and Natanui

2. Cotchin - Although plagued by injury, when he was on the park it was class personified, Doubt Richmond would change this selection

3. Masten - West coast desperatley needed to rebuild the midfield stocks and he was the best in and under midfielder at under 18 Level. Still think they would have selected him at this pick

4. Morton - Outside ball magnet who style has changed little from how he played at under 18 level. Doubt Melbourne would change their pick either at this stage as he has been very impressive so far.

5. Grant - Haven't seen enough of to base a judgement but being a KPP means you probably have to wait a few more years to say the Bulldogs got this one wrong

6. Myers - Was suprised Palmer wasn't selected here as Myers played more a sweeping halfback role at Under 18 level. We haven't seen much of him yet so it will be interesting to see how he goes in the next couple of years

7. Palmer - Outstanding first year although question marks regarding his disposal and the fact that he was a late developer saw him drop a little lower than he could have

8. Henderson - See Grant above

9. McEvoy - Considering the age of St Kilda's ruch stocks, he seems a prudent selection at this stage

10. Dangerfield - Doubt you will find to many Adelaide fans dissapointed with this selection.

Ouside of the Top 10 there are players that look really good as well, paticularly Rioli, Ward and Ottens

 

[The Zebra]

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15. North Melbourne - Rance (Despite being a cheap dog who punches blokes in the mouth as they're held down by teammates, Rance has done pretty well this year. North have had no luck with Tarrant's shoulders so Rance would still be ahead of him and they need key-position players).

Not a chance in the world we would take Rance ahead of Thompson after the season Thompson just had.

 

[Z_K]

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Not sure Rance is or will be a genuine key anyway. Looks a mobile tall or flank type to me, best suited to high half forward that cover lots of distance. And he can't kick.

 

[legitimatic]

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Rioli is massively overrated on bigfooty.

No doubt.

 

[Smyth94]

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You're kidding yourself.


He is a fantastic size, very quick, hard, skillful and smart.


He's the complete package, personally rate him #1 after their initial settling in period.

QFT

Dangerfield will be the best onballer in this draft comfortably

 

[deledio7]

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QFT

Dangerfield will be the best onballer in this draft comfortably

Trent Cotchin might have something to say about that.

 

[Demon 16]

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WC fans are overating Masten - whilst hes very good, theres no way he'd go at 3 if it was done again..

• Kreuzer
• Rioli
• Morton
• Cotchin
• Grimes
• Palmer
• Dangerfield
• Otten
• Masten
• Pears
• McEvoy
• Ebert
• Ward
• Vezpremi
• Myers

 

[numbat06]

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This isn't bay13 stop posting bias crap -.-
Masten overrated?, yet you think Morton would go at 3 ...and grimes at 5
masten had op, once he overcame it he was quite dominant, 40 disposals in 1 match , averaging over 28 a game etc.

In hindsight masten wouldn't be taken at 3 but still in the top 5, unlike morton.

 

[Powerade 08]

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Grimes, Masten, Morton. In that order.

 

[KennyHunter9]

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Kreuzer justifies #1.

Superstar - and still in development given his height.

 

[coasting]

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WC fans are overating Masten - whilst hes very good, theres no way he'd go at 3 if it was done again..

• Kreuzer
• Rioli
• Morton
• Cotchin
• Grimes
• Palmer
• Dangerfield
• Otten
• Masten
• Pears
• McEvoy
• Ebert
• Ward
• Vezpremi
• Myers

Mate, that list is laughable. Hang your head in shame.