Draft Review 2007 - Redo the 2007 Draft

[dutchy12]

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Turning out to be a pretty good first round of a draft.

I'm pretty happy with Morton and Grimes.

Cale whilst a bit timid is a pretty handy footballer and under rated on bigfooty.

Haven't seen much of Masten but from what I have seen nothing excites me too much but I'm probably wrong.

1:Rioli
2:Kreuzer
3:Cotchin
4:Ward
5: Morton
6: Dangerfield
7:Grimes
8: Pears
9: Otten

 

[electricfeel]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

Turning out to be a pretty good first round of a draft.

I'm pretty happy with Morton and Grimes.

Cale whilst a bit timid is a pretty handy footballer and under rated on bigfooty.

Haven't seen much of Masten but from what I have seen nothing excites me too much but I'm probably wrong.

1:Rioli
2:Kreuzer
3:Cotchin
4:Ward
5: Morton
6: Dangerfield
7:Grimes
8: Pears
9: Otten

Don't think you've seen much of Palmer either? Come on, Rising Star not even in the top 10? I seriously think people have forgotten about him because of his injury.

 

[docker_champ29]

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Don't think you've seen much of Palmer either? Come on, Rising Star not even in the top 10? I seriously think people have forgotten about him because of his injury.

I agree. I'm sure a lot of Melbourne supporters are nice but the majority of you are full of ****. As if Morton and Grimes are as good as Palmer. Morton 5? Are you joking? I'll admit Grimes is worth a top 10 though.

 

[Demon 16]

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I agree. I'm sure a lot of Melbourne supporters are nice but the majority of you are full of ****. As if Morton and Grimes are as good as Palmer. Morton 5? Are you joking? I'll admit Grimes is worth a top 10 though.

I would love Palmer at Melbourne so dont take this as Palmer bashing or biased opinion - but football these days is about making the correct decisions and executing correctly. It doesnt matter as much about how many posessions you can get, so long as you can get a decent amount of the ball and apply good defensive pressure.

Palmer is excellent at defensive pressure and excellent at accumulating posessions, however both Grimes and Morton are better decision makers and better executers with disposals. Still pretty early to tell - especially with Palmer not playing last year - but I would not trade either of Morton or Grimes for Palmer at this point.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

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Depends on needs. For all of the Hype arounds pick 1 & 2 Palmer would stack up pretty well when compared to both of them, just goes at the ball hard, uses his body, gets into space, strong tackle and attacks. It goes back to needs, Melbourne has avioded drafting inside mids because they thought they had that covered, it's become pretty clear that was not the case. So if they had of known where they where today, would they have drafted Mortan at 5, i would say no.

 

[EagleMan87]

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I would love Palmer at Melbourne so dont take this as Palmer bashing or biased opinion - but football these days is about making the correct decisions and executing correctly. It doesnt matter as much about how many posessions you can get, so long as you can get a decent amount of the ball and apply good defensive pressure.

Palmer is excellent at defensive pressure and excellent at accumulating posessions, however both Grimes and Morton are better decision makers and better executers with disposals. Still pretty early to tell - especially with Palmer not playing last year - but I would not trade either of Morton or Grimes for Palmer at this point.

Your bias is crippling if you honestly think Morton and Grimes are better than Palmer. And don't accuse me of bias, I hate Freo just as much as any other club, but Palmer is easily better than any midfielder Melbourne have picked since Syvlia...

 

[Demon 16]

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Depends on needs. For all of the Hype arounds pick 1 & 2 Palmer would stack up pretty well when compared to both of them, just goes at the ball hard, uses his body, gets into space, strong tackle and attacks. It goes back to needs, Melbourne has avioded drafting inside mids because they thought they had that covered, it's become pretty clear that was not the case. So if they had of known where they where today, would they have drafted Mortan at 5, i would say no.

Morton is outside and so is Blease - but Scully and Trengove will more than balance out any inside deficencies. And especially if we snag Ball! I would expect Grimes to be pretty decent inside when he gets a couple more years into him. He was known for hardness in the under 18s.

Your bias is crippling if you honestly think Morton and Grimes are better than Palmer. And don't accuse me of bias, I hate Freo just as much as any other club, but Palmer is easily better than any midfielder Melbourne have picked since Syvlia...

When I made my list a few pages back I had him in the next spot behind Grimes so I think it is close. Maybe youve seen more of him than the Melbourne guys - or maybe Ive seen more of the Melbourne guys than him. Just so you know Palmer has some serious questions being asked about his disposal effiectiveness.

In any case my point is that 3 are very good players and its close enough that an opinion either way is not stupid.

 

[EagleMan87]

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Morton is outside and so is Blease - but Scully and Trengove will more than balance out any inside deficencies. And especially if we snag Ball! I would expect Grimes to be pretty decent inside when he gets a couple more years into him. He was known for hardness in the under 18s.

When I made my list a few pages back I had him in the next spot behind Grimes so I think it is close. Maybe youve seen more of him than the Melbourne guys - or maybe Ive seen more of the Melbourne guys than him. Just so you know Palmer has some serious questions being asked about his disposal effiectiveness.

In any case my point is that 3 are very good players and its close enough that an opinion either way is not stupid.

Well that's funny, Masten, Selwood, Ebert and Swift will more than take care of any problems West Coast may have in the midfield...

Anyways, Palmer may have a slight deficiency in his kicking, but Morton is basically a taller/more accurate version of Fletcher, whilst Grimes is chronically overrated; he's worse than McLean by a long shot, he just gets more opportunities to receive the ball...

 

[mjr_42]

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Well that's funny, Masten, Selwood, Ebert and Swift will more than take care of any problems West Coast may have in the midfield...

Anyways, Palmer may have a slight deficiency in his kicking, but Morton is basically a taller/more accurate version of Fletcher, whilst Grimes is chronically overrated; he's worse than McLean by a long shot, he just gets more opportunities to receive the ball...

Of all the clubs' supporters to say that Grimes is overrated, you wouldn't think it would be West Coast after Jack's final quarter almost singlehandedly won the game for Melbourne against the Eagles at the 'G this year.

I'd be expecting most Eagles fans to acknowledge that Grimes is a player of considerable poise and talent.

Clearly you only watch the game through one blue and gold eye, though.

And FWIW EagleMan, there are a whole heap of posters having a reasonable discussion here and you're going off tap at all and sundry because others don't rate your team's players as highly as you do.

Post your top 20 and give it a rest.

 

[Demon 16]

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Well that's funny, Masten, Selwood, Ebert and Swift will more than take care of any problems West Coast may have in the midfield...

Anyways, Palmer may have a slight deficiency in his kicking, but Morton is basically a taller/more accurate version of Fletcher, whilst Grimes is chronically overrated; he's worse than McLean by a long shot, he just gets more opportunities to receive the ball...

We are having a pretty a good discussion here and you are posting rubbish.

 

[EagleMan87]

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Yikes, that's bad. My apologies, I was out drinking last night, must've though this was Bay 13

Believe me, I don't actually think that about Morton and Grimes.

 

[Demon 16]

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Yikes, that's bad. My apologies, I was out drinking last night, must've though this was Bay 13

Believe me, I don't actually think that about Morton and Grimes.

Haha

I was actually going to sledge you and ask if you were drunk

I might have a few beers myself and see what I can come up with!

 

[Eastern Rangers]

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Morton is outside and so is Blease - but Scully and Trengove will more than balance out any inside deficencies. And especially if we snag Ball! I would expect Grimes to be pretty decent inside when he gets a couple more years into him. He was known for hardness in the under 18s.

If i where you i would take Scully and Martin as Trengove is not as natural inside midfielder as Martin, he's more of a near outside mid/ desperado. But otherwise i agree this draft should generally balance your list out nicely.

Grimes has excelled at the rebounding defensive role and while you might test him in that role i feel he will remain a HBF/ sweeper. Especially when Blease and perhaps Straus get going over the next couple of years.

 

[davidantonowicz]

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Lets get away from all the parochial bullshit of overating your own clubs players. If you had to re-do the 07 draft for your club knowing what you know now (regardless of needs basis) the top 10 would have to go something like this...

1) Trent Cotchin- Seems to be in a different league, has to be taken 1
2) Cyrol Rioli- At his best is elite, you cant go past him at 2
3) P. Dangerfield- Great pace, strong core, keeps his feet, will be a Champion.
4)M Kreuzer- Best tall in the draft, although is lost between KPP and ruck. Josh Frasier anyone?
5)C Masten- Ball magnet, tough in close, shown alot despite OP
6) J Grimes- Missed a lot of footy but amongst best mids in this draft.
7) R Palmer- Can find it, but can't use it..yet. Could be a future star just needs a skills coach.
8) H Taylor- Mr reliable, holds down CHB for a premiership outfit
9)P Veszpremi- Explosive pace and elite by foot, hardly played any AFL but just give him time.
10)T Pears- looks like being a solid CHB/FB prospect, they dont grow on trees

Next best( in no particular order)
Ward- Tough nut, want him on my team
Ebert- Consistent, profesional, lacks pace, but is a safe pick
Rance- Kamakaze like, pick him because he is commited and wants the chance.
Selwood- Quick, inside, no fuss midfielder
Mayne- Clever, quick, good overhead - steal of the draft?
Walker- Clever forward, still raw but id have him over Morton anyday.

Overrated Crabs-time will tell on them
Morton-soft, rushed, un-balanced, will never be a key player
Grant-complete bomb with pick 5
Myers- will be an AFL player just not worth anything near pick 6
Henderson- Tough start to AFL career, really needs to show something soon
Otten- Reminds me of Jason Cloke

Could go either way
McEvoy- shown good signs but could be a plodder- Paul Johnson?
Tarrant- High risk, high return, more risk than return at this stage...
Addam Maric- I think he will work out, a bit like R Robertson did...
Tony Notte- Crucial season for the twig, needs to show why he was so highly regarded.
J Polkinghorne- Looks the goods sometimes, my gut feel is he will make it.

 

[docker_champ29]

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Lets get away from all the parochial bullshit of overating your own clubs players. If you had to re-do the 07 draft for your club knowing what you know now (regardless of needs basis) the top 10 would have to go something like this...

1) Trent Cotchin- Seems to be in a different league, has to be taken 1
2) Cyrol Rioli- At his best is elite, you cant go past him at 2
3) P. Dangerfield- Great pace, strong core, keeps his feet, will be a Champion.
4)M Kreuzer- Best tall in the draft, although is lost between KPP and ruck. Josh Frasier anyone?
5)C Masten- Ball magnet, tough in close, shown alot despite OP
6) J Grimes- Missed a lot of footy but amongst best mids in this draft.
7) R Palmer- Can find it, but can't use it..yet. Could be a future star just needs a skills coach.
8) H Taylor- Mr reliable, holds down CHB for a premiership outfit
9)P Veszpremi- Explosive pace and elite by foot, hardly played any AFL but just give him time.
10)T Pears- looks like being a solid CHB/FB prospect, they dont grow on trees

Next best( in no particular order)
Ward- Tough nut, want him on my team
Ebert- Consistent, profesional, lacks pace, but is a safe pick
Rance- Kamakaze like, pick him because he is commited and wants the chance.
Selwood- Quick, inside, no fuss midfielder
Mayne- Clever, quick, good overhead - steal of the draft?
Walker- Clever forward, still raw but id have him over Morton anyday.

Overrated Crabs-time will tell on them
Morton-soft, rushed, un-balanced, will never be a key player
Grant-complete bomb with pick 5
Myers- will be an AFL player just not worth anything near pick 6
Henderson- Tough start to AFL career, really needs to show something soon
Otten- Reminds me of Jason Cloke

Could go either way
McEvoy- shown good signs but could be a plodder- Paul Johnson?
Tarrant- High risk, high return, more risk than return at this stage...
Addam Maric- I think he will work out, a bit like R Robertson did...
Tony Notte- Crucial season for the twig, needs to show why he was so highly regarded.
J Polkinghorne- Looks the goods sometimes, my gut feel is he will make it.

Very good wrap on everything

 

[stormee]

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I don't think Mayne is top 10 at this stage but looking at his statistics since his return late in the '09 season I think he was a fantastic 3rd round pick - kicking a number of goals after a long layoff and an obviously reduced level of match fitness, is developing into a very very dangerous HF.

I think if both Palmer and Mayne get a majority of games next year they will both show as being in the upper bracket from the draft -not saying the best, but still very good players. Shame about Hinkley but he still has time on his side I guess.

And just as a sidenote - when people are picking Cotchin as a clear #1 or #2 are they picking him injured or how good they think he would be uninjured. Because it's clear that Palmer's knee is coming into the equation, would your reasoning change if you were picking where you think he would be now if he hadn't done a knee? Just curious.

 

[deledio7]

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And just as a sidenote - when people are picking Cotchin as a clear #1 or #2 are they picking him injured or how good they think he would be uninjured. Because it's clear that Palmer's knee is coming into the equation, would your reasoning change if you were picking where you think he would be now if he hadn't done a knee? Just curious.

Cotchin hasn't been on the park uninjured so I think most are picking him on potential. We have seen what he is capable of when playing injured and with limited game time, so I think most believe he has alot of improvement left in him.

 

[stormee]

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Cotchin hasn't been on the park uninjured so I think most are picking him on potential. We have seen what he is capable of when playing injured and with limited game time, so I think most believe he has alot of improvement left in him.

Yeah sure I agree with that, he looks like probably the most promising midfield prospect the tigs have had for a decade.

But let me perhaps rephrase my question. If Palmer had played all 22 games this year, and I know this is like looking into a crystal ball because we obviously can't tell how he would have played and it's a useless exercise in 'what if's' anyway, do you think he would be rated higher? Has he slipped because people have forgotten his 2008 as he's been off the park?

 

[deledio7]

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Yeah sure I agree with that, he looks like probably the most promising midfield prospect the tigs have had for a decade.

But let me perhaps rephrase my question. If Palmer had played all 22 games this year, and I know this is like looking into a crystal ball because we obviously can't tell how he would have played and it's a useless exercise in 'what if's' anyway, do you think he would be rated higher? Has he slipped because people have forgotten his 2008 as he's been off the park?

Yeah Palmer has been treated harshly in this thread IMO. Who is to say he wouldn't of carried from 08 and have a dominent 09 season. Unfortunately people on Bigfooty have short memories and disregard alot from the not so distant past.

If ranking Palmers career against others from this draft you would have to have him in the top 3 from what we've seen.

 

[TigerTime88]

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There is no way cyril would go number one over Cotchin & Kruezer. Cotchin has had some injuries because his growing into his body he will come good eventually. He hasn't even had a pre seaosn and he dominates. Kruezer is a massive talent...Grimes and Otten would be higher IMO. Cyril would be 3-5...alot of the other guys have a greater upside I think Cyril is good but whenever he does something commentators like Quatermaine and Mcavaney hype him up so much its ridiculous. He stepped round a bloke in a Richmond game and kicked a standard drop punt goal and Quatermaine said "thats one of the goals of the year"....seriously its a joke!

 

[Nightwolf]

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There is no way cyril would go number one over Cotchin & Kruezer. Cotchin has had some injuries because his growing into his body he will come good eventually. He hasn't even had a pre seaosn and he dominates. Kruezer is a massive talent...Grimes and Otten would be higher IMO. Cyril would be 3-5...alot of the other guys have a greater upside I think Cyril is good but whenever he does something commentators like Quatermaine and Mcavaney hype him up so much its ridiculous. He stepped round a bloke in a Richmond game and kicked a standard drop punt goal and Quatermaine said "thats one of the goals of the year"....seriously its a joke!

Ok.....

Everything cotchin has done thus far, Cyril has been probably 70% better at.

 

[Silvagnis]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

Lets get away from all the parochial bullshit of overating your own clubs players. If you had to re-do the 07 draft for your club knowing what you know now (regardless of needs basis) the top 10 would have to go something like this...

1) Trent Cotchin- Seems to be in a different league, has to be taken 1
2) Cyrol Rioli- At his best is elite, you cant go past him at 2
3) P. Dangerfield- Great pace, strong core, keeps his feet, will be a Champion.
4)M Kreuzer- Best tall in the draft, although is lost between KPP and ruck. Josh Frasier anyone?

Quality post and shots.

I wouldn't swap Kreuzer for either of your top three plus one of Otten, Pears or Whitecross.

Will be a superstar and a freak.

Kreuzer attacked a contest on Geelong's forward flank like Andrew McKay to win a CP against two Cats and steal it from Stokes who was about to pounce.

Attacked that contest like his life depended on it to stop the Cats getting it inside fifty.

And came through the pack like a runaway freight train.

Kreuzer is nothing like Fraser as a player.

 

[Kramer1]

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1) Trent Cotchin- Seems to be in a different league

That's what I thought, cos' he is so rarely sighted in the AFL...

 

[Neville Bartos]

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Palmer is a gun. Would definitely go in the top 5 and as high as 2. People have to remember though that clubs knew he would take to AFL like a duck takes to water, and this was the same with Rich this year. BUT it doesn't mean that they will necessarily become the best player from that draft.

Cotchin is still a very good prospect and will no doubt become a star player so he'd also still be in the top 5. I understand Rioli may be overrated in terms of his actual football ability due to the excitement he brings, but he's still managed to contribute more to his team than any other player from that draft. His first 10 games in 2009 were incredible, often performing as a lone ranger for the Hawks while his teammates dropped their heads.

He might not be the next coming of Jesus, but he's a bloody good footballer all the same.

 

[docker_champ29]

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That's what I thought, cos' he is so rarely sighted in the AFL...

Haha, I agree