Draft Review 2007 - Redo the 2007 Draft

[Demon 16]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

Ok.....

Everything cotchin has done thus far, Cyril has been probably 70% better at.

..and the rest.

Rioli is the one getting a hard time on this thread. He's been unbeleivable and as much potential as Cotchin has, he hasnt done anywhere near as much as Rioli to this point.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

I don't think Mayne is top 10 at this stage but looking at his statistics since his return late in the '09 season I think he was a fantastic 3rd round pick - kicking a number of goals after a long layoff and an obviously reduced level of match fitness, is developing into a very very dangerous HF.

I think if both Palmer and Mayne get a majority of games next year they will both show as being in the upper bracket from the draft -not saying the best, but still very good players. Shame about Hinkley but he still has time on his side I guess.

And just as a sidenote - when people are picking Cotchin as a clear #1 or #2 are they picking him injured or how good they think he would be uninjured. Because it's clear that Palmer's knee is coming into the equation, would your reasoning change if you were picking where you think he would be now if he hadn't done a knee? Just curious.

I rate Mayne but a top 10 pick is a bit of a stretch. Just because of his position and the syle of football he plays.

Hickley is a lost cause.

 

[stormee]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

I rate Mayne but a top 10 pick is a bit of a stretch. Just because of his position and the syle of football he plays.

Hickley is a lost cause.

Nah I agree with you, I don't think he will be top 10 - but a good selection nonetheless in the mid 3rd round. Definitely brings scoring ability and defensive pressure to the table, two things that we desperately lacked last year - as does Balla but thats not a discussion for this thread.

 

[yaco55]

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Nah I agree with you, I don't think he will be top 10 - but a good selection nonetheless in the mid 3rd round. Definitely brings scoring ability and defensive pressure to the table, two things that we desperately lacked last year - as does Balla but thats not a discussion for this thread.

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I believe that you are underestimating Mayne.

He will be in the top 10 or 15 players from the 2007 ND if he continues witht the same rate of improvement.

 

[Topper Harley]

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I think some winners and losers can be identified now from this draft. I'll have a quick stab.

Winners

Hawthorn
Only had 3 picks, but 2 of them directly lead to premiership success. Big fat Stewy may have only been around for 2 seasons, but his impact was immediate and pronounced. They also picked up the no. 1 performer from this draft and the bloke who'd go no. 2 (IMO) if it was re-done. Rioli is a rare talent and even if they stuffed up the other picks, they'd still be winner. Whitecross has improved after a shaky start, and looks like he could become a good player for the Hawkes.

West Coast
no surprises here given were they stood in the draft. had 4 picks inside the top 22 and used them well. Brad Ebert could be a future captain, Masten is improving and Selwood is another good player. Once Notte starts eating we'll find out how he goes at AFL level.

Adelaide
Got a 200 game forward with the NSW scholarship initiative. The bloke I'd pick at number 4 in Dangerfield and a bloke who belongs in the top 10 in Otten, even though he's done his knee, he still looks to have a bright future. could have ended up with 3 of the top 10 players from this draft, but time will tell.

Losers

Geelong
may have picked up Tayor, who is so far the number 2 performer from this draft, but wasted every other pick. Mckenna, Scott Simpson and Donahue have all been delisted. Dawson Simpson is a massive unit, but honestly doesn't impress anyone, had Mumford stayed, I don't think he'd still be on the list.

Port Adelaide
got big bloke Lobbe with pick 16, and he's struggling to have any impact and looks like a wasted first rounder, Matthew Westhoff at this tage looks like he won't make it, and Mith Farmer and Marlon Motlop haven't done much to suggest they'll be future stars. A poor draft by Port.

St Kilda
Maybe I'm being a bit harsh here, but I don't hold great hopes for Ben McEvoy, and I expect Saints fans to dissagree, but I personally don't rate him. Jack Steven has a good inside game, and could become a player, but taking Gehrig and Connors.... terrible, I know they were low picks, so shouldn't be judged to harshly, but Connors had no hope of making it, and Fraser was well over the hill.

 

[Tulip]

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I would consider melbourne a winner too. Grimes has shown as much, if not more than Cotchin. People forget that he's been injured too, I don't even think he's played 10 games yet! Morton is rated by many experts to be a tad off elite. Highly underrated thanks to the youtube video (even if we know what really happened, people still believe for the lulz that he was running away). Just had to watch him tear it up in the midfield and up forward to see his potential, Imagine when he gains weight!! Maric has been dissapointing thus far and hasn't lived up to his tag as an elite kick. He's been injured but next year will tell if he was worth it. Cheney and McNamara were late picks. Cheney has been fairly good down back, while McNamara has only played a few games but didn't look out of place at all.

 

[year of the cat]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

I think some winners and losers can be identified now from this draft. I'll have a quick stab.



Losers

Geelong
may have picked up Tayor, who is so far the number 2 performer from this draft, but wasted every other pick. Mckenna, Scott Simpson and Donahue have all been delisted. Dawson Simpson is a massive unit, but honestly doesn't impress anyone, had Mumford stayed, I don't think he'd still be on the list.

I think that outside the first 20 or so picks, 2007 was a pretty ordinary draft. To pick up Taylor with our first pick makes this draft a success for Geelong, particularly with him being so critical in our 2009 premiership campaign. When you win the flag as we did in 2007 you can't really expect to dominate at the draft table - to get one or maybe two 100 game players would be considered an excellent result.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

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Port Adelaide
got big bloke Lobbe with pick 16, and he's struggling to have any impact and looks like a wasted first rounder, Matthew Westhoff at this tage looks like he won't make it, and Mith Farmer and Marlon Motlop haven't done much to suggest they'll be future stars. A poor draft by Port.

Mitch Farmer was traded to Richmond, but I think you're premature on Lobbe there... I've been hearing good things about his development and I believe we'll see a lot more of him soon.

 

[deledio7]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

I would consider melbourne a winner too. Grimes has shown as much, if not more than Cotchin. People forget that he's been injured too, I don't even think he's played 10 games yet! Morton is rated by many experts to be a tad off elite. Highly underrated thanks to the youtube video (even if we know what really happened, people still believe for the lulz that he was running away). Just had to watch him tear it up in the midfield and up forward to see his potential, Imagine when he gains weight!! Maric has been dissapointing thus far and hasn't lived up to his tag as an elite kick. He's been injured but next year will tell if he was worth it. Cheney and McNamara were late picks. Cheney has been fairly good down back, while McNamara has only played a few games but didn't look out of place at all.

Settle down. Grimes has been pretty good so far but I don't think you can say he's shown more than Cotchin who has been very good when on the park.

And I'd say Morton has a long way to go before he is classified as elite. Maybe your definition of elite is different to mine.

 

[Demon 16]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

I think that outside the first 20 or so picks, 2007 was a pretty ordinary draft. To pick up Taylor with our first pick makes this draft a success for Geelong, particularly with him being so critical in our 2009 premiership campaign. When you win the flag as we did in 2007 you can't really expect to dominate at the draft table - to get one or maybe two 100 game players would be considered an excellent result.

Outside the top 20 most drafts would look pretty thin. I think 2007 was a pretty good draft from what we've seen so far.

Settle down. Grimes has been pretty good so far but I don't think you can say he's shown more than Cotchin who has been very good when on the park.

And I'd say Morton has a long way to go before he is classified as elite. Maybe your definition of elite is different to mine.

Grimes and Morton are both very good. Both have similar strengths which are that they are effective with disposal, are composed and make very good decisions - and they both know how to find the footy.

Cotchin will be a gun if he can hold it together - but so will the 2 Melbourne players. Melbourne did very well in this draft.

 

[Topper Harley]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

Mitch Farmer was traded to Richmond, but I think you're premature on Lobbe there... I've been hearing good things about his development and I believe we'll see a lot more of him soon.

For Jay Shultz, pretty much shows how highly he was rated at Port.

 

[Tulip]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

Settle down. Grimes has been pretty good so far but I don't think you can say he's shown more than Cotchin who has been very good when on the park.

And I'd say Morton has a long way to go before he is classified as elite. Maybe your definition of elite is different to mine.

Just what I've heard the experts say...

 

[Lance Uppercut]

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Morton is rated by many experts to be a tad off elite.

Just what I've heard the experts say...

zomg, you can't be serious. A "tad off elite"?! Um, I don't think so...

Unless you have a source or some quotes from said "experts", of course? Who are these experts you talk of?

 

[Demon 16]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

zomg, you can't be serious. A "tad off elite"?! Um, I don't think so...

Unless you have a source or some quotes from said "experts", of course? Who are these experts you talk of?

Yet another troll from Uppercut.

Do you ever contribute or do you just search for comments to shut down?

FWIW I dont think Morton is elite as an AFL player but he is on track to get pretty close when he is in the peak of his career.

 

[laminex]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

IMO your rankings are not the best, some are really dodgy, Grant who has shown nothing at AFL level over Cale Morton and Chris Masten??? Also I can't see Carlton changing there first pick. The first round in 2007 looks to be very good, drafting really has improved over the last few years.

1. Carlton: Matthew Kruezer - The best bigman in the draft, and has shown he has what it takes to become a very good ruckman, or a good CHF.

2. Richmond: Trent Cotchin - Has shown enough to suggest he has what it takes to become elite over time.

3. West Coast: Chris Masten - Looks to be a very good inside mid, only just over Rioli and Dangerfield though.

4. Melbourne: Patrick Dangerfield - Looks to have all the skills as a mid, has a lot of development left, and the Demons could use a pacy inside mid.

5. Bulldogs: Cale Morton - Looks to be a good winger/HBF with elite skills, has potential to become an excellent CHF IMO. Bulldogs could use a KPF but none are worth it an Morton may end up as a CHF.

6. Essendon: Cyril Rioli - Hyped up a lot on BF, yet still an excellent player, a very good HFF, who may spend time in the middle but for mine I have doubts still on him becoming a full time mid. The Bombers need a player like this.

7. Fremantle: Rhys Palmer - Was excellent last year, kicking needs a bit of work but not as bad as everyone makes out to be and it should improve, Freo still need him as a mid.

8. Brisbane Lions: Callan Ward - A very good inside mid, very similar to J. Selwood IMO, Brisbane need a clearance player with good skills.

9. Saint Kilda: Tayte Pears - They could use a KPD and he has been very good so far, potentially elite.

10. Adelaide: Brad Ebert - Has looked very good so far as mid/HFF, Adelaide may still go with a defender.

11. Sydney: Harry Taylor - Still very good, and sydney need a CHB

12. Hawthorn: Ben McEvoy - Hawks need a ruckman and he looks to be very good and can take a good mark.

13. West Coast: Patrick Vespremi - Looks like he will become a very good forward prospect, has nice skills to, WC need a crumber.

14. Melbourne: Jack Grimes - Can't see them changing maybe should go higher but has been injured and I rate others higher, still looks a great prospect though.

15. North Melbourne: Jarrad Grant - Slips because he has shown nothing, yet still developing and looks to possess elite athletic qualities.

16. Port Adelaide: Lachlan Henderson - Port get a KPD, who looks to be a good player, but slides cause he has gone to Carlton.

17. Geelong: Andy Otten - looks have good skills and can rebound as a HBF, may become a mid.

This is about right, the OP has no idea.

 

[leighroy]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

mortons disposal is no where near elite.

 

[NYJetsfor2029]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

mortons disposal is no where near elite.

He does hit a lot of targets though, I wouldnt be surprised if it gets to be top class.

 

[Topper Harley]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

He does hit a lot of targets though, I wouldnt be surprised if it gets to be top class.

Given how much it improved from year 1, I think he will reach top class. In his first year, Morton's foot skills were nothing short of terrible. He's shown rapid improvement since then.

 

[Enforcer25]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

mortons disposal is no where near elite.

In fact, it is. Just because you've not paid attention doesn't mean it isn't.

Ask Scott Clayton.

 

[tribey]

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...but I think you're premature on Lobbe there... I've been hearing good things about his development and I believe we'll see a lot more of him soon.

Precisely.

Lobbe Set For Ruck Vacancy
By Katrina Gill
4:19 PM Mon 21 December, 2009

He finished the year as lead ruckman for the Bloods' league side and has carried his good form into pre-season training.

Last week, Lobbe's ground-ball contest with premiership ruckman Dean Brogan earned rapturous applause from the coach.

Williams said Lobbe was ready to stand up as Brogan's right-hand man, given the vacancy created by the retired Brendon Lade.

"Right now, Matthew Lobbe will be taking the second ruck spot and he’ll get the opportunity to do that," Williams said.

We'd still take him regardless.

Is cherry ripe to go.

 

[inthesong]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

Palmer has been seriously underated in this thread, it's also good to see that only a few people beleive the commentators and rate Cyril so highly.

Kruezer would go Number 1 if it was done again and 16 teams all got their choice. He does all the things you want in a ruckman, goes forward and kicks goals helps the backs out time and time again, strong overhead and competes so hard all around the ground and will prove to be not only one of Carltons best players but the leagues better players in years to come.

My top 10 would be:

1. Matthew Kreuzer. Reasons Above.

2. Rhys Palmer. Runs hard, wins his own ball, delivery getting stronger and without the knee injury was set to shine in 09. Will continue his status as a very good young player from this draft

3. Trent Cotchin. Lucky to be here at 3 but he has amazing skills on both feet and has the tools to make it, injuries have plagued him and if he doesnt play more than 11 games this year he will struggle to stay in the top 5 from this draft.

4. Patrick Dangerfield. Rendell was roasted when he took him over Ebert but it looks to be an inspired choice as Dangerfield is strong, quick and kicks goals. Will be a star good pick.

5. Chris Masten. Has shown more than people think, pure inside mid that services his teams needs better than most from this draft and will be in Cousins type mould for the eagles.

6. Cyril Rioli. Is a very good player and does freaky things but is definately overhyped by many on Bigfooty and even by his own club, came 2nd in the B+F over blokes like Sewell and Franklin who clearly had better years and played far more games. Cant see him being a permernant midfielder thats why he isnt top 5.

7. Harry Taylor. Only bloke from the last 4 drafts that can mix it with blokes like Reiwoldt or Brown. Getting a ready made CHB in the first round is amazing and he is a key factor in Geelongs 09 premiership and is still young too its not like the bloke is in his late 20's.

8. Jack Grimes. Can play Back, Middle or Forward and has very good skills but mainly has a football brain that helps him make very good decisions. Melbourne will be happy with him at 14.

9. Cale Morton. Is a good player but i think he is a little fragile still and that hasnt changed in 2 years. doesnt get to many hard balls and holds on the footy for far too long and speedy disposal in todays game is crucial.

10. Andy Otten. Bloody good player and will be a solid contributor for Adelaide for years to come, will become a tall wingman in years to come and was probably the steal of the draft.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

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Yet another troll from Uppercut.

Do you ever contribute or do you just search for comments to shut down?

FWIW I dont think Morton is elite as an AFL player but he is on track to get pretty close when he is in the peak of his career.

pfft, precious much?

How is it a troll if even you as a Dees supporter also don't believe he is elite, & won't be until the peak of his career; which even you would have to admit would be some years away?

I think that he will probably turn out pretty good, but do you honestly believe he is a "tad off elite" presently? Seriously?

Are you about to point out these alleged experts that believe so that your mate referred to? Or do you also think that perhaps the guy was, fundamentally, talking out his arse?

 

[Demon 16]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

pfft, precious much?

How is it a troll if even you as a Dees supporter also don't believe he is elite, & won't be until the peak of his career; which even you would have to admit would be some years away?

I think that he will probably turn out pretty good, but do you honestly believe he is a "tad off elite" presently? Seriously?

Are you about to point out these alleged experts that believe so that your mate referred to? Or do you also think that perhaps the guy was, fundamentally, talking out his arse?

Who's getting precious now?? Its a troll because you arent contributing anything interesting or worthy - you just shut down other peoples opinions.

Anyway forget that mate - I think the 2007 draft was very strong and there will be several players who will become elite. Morton looks like he could easily become one of them, but he is too young to be called elite right now.

Just like I think Kruezer will be an elite footballer - but if he quit right now, you would have to say he never made it to that level.

 

[Spluff]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

Just no.
Dangerfield easily No. 2. The kid is a gun & hard at it too. Good skills & just good overall. He does what Palmer does & can kick.

Palmer is an absolute ball magnet who can cop a tag - Dangerfield isn't and can't, respectively (yet, anyway). Dangerfield needs to increase his possession count by at least 50% to be even considered near Palmer, IMO. This may come with a full preseason.

 

[Enforcer25]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

Palmer is an absolute ball magnet who can cop a tag - Dangerfield isn't and can't, respectively (yet, anyway). Dangerfield needs to increase his possession count by at least 50% to be even considered near Palmer, IMO. This may come with a full preseason.

Not too sure of that. You underrate Dangerfield and you ignore the fact that Palmer can't kick.

Doesn't matter how many times you win the footy if you just kick it straight back to the opposition.
Palmer is a Misiti clone, that is a liability in today's game.