Draft Review 2007 - Redo the 2007 Draft

[timtamWB]

Do you reckon he's been shitter than his first couple of years because of the lack of confidence in his knees or is he spooked by the injury he cause Michael Barlow?

Yes.

The talent is there, I just don't think he has developed well at all, and so his peak was his first year.

 

[Chris_6678]

Do you reckon he's been shitter than his first couple of years because of the lack of confidence in his knees or is he spooked by the injury he cause Michael Barlow?

Been WAY worse than his first 2 years. Not sure about being spooked about the Barlow incident as i thought a fresh start at a new club would see him bounce back.

 

[Untouchables22]

1. Patrick Dangerfield

2. Tex Walker

3. Harry Taylor

4. Cotchin

5. Cyril Rioli

6. Callan Ward

7. Scott Selwood

8. Matthew Kreuzer

9. Scott Thompson

10. Steven

11. Masten

12. Brad Ebert

13. Lachie Henderson

14. Mayne

15. Rance

16. Hanley

17. Bellchambers

18. Grimes

19. Mumford

20. Hooker

 

[BEEG]

1.Dangerfield
2.Cotchin
3.Taylor
4.Walker
5.Rioli
6.Selwood
7.Masten
8.Henderson
9.Ward
10.Steven
11.Thompson
12.Ebert
13.Kruezer
14.Hanley
15.Rance
16.Mumford
17.Mayne
18.Whitecross
19.Bellchambers
20.Hooker

 

[Bojangles17]

1. Patrick Dangerfield

2. Tex Walker

3. Harry Taylor

4. Cotchin

5. Cyril Rioli

6. Callan Ward

7. Scott Selwood

8. Matthew Kreuzer

9. Scott Thompson

10. Steven

11. Masten

12. Brad Ebert

13. Lachie Henderson

14. Mayne

15. Rance

16. Hanley

17. Bellchambers

18. Grimes

19. Mumford

20. Hooker

No bias at all,

 

[1990crow]

No bias at all,

To be fair, by the end of their careers they will be the best 2 out of this entire list.

 

[timtamWB]

No bias at all,

It's entirely possible for anyone to rate Danger and Walker as 1 and 2 in this draft. The top 4 of Taylor, Danger, Walker and Cotchin are interchangeable as they are all on about level pegging, and each person has their opinion of where they should be rated.

 

[Wargreymon90]

1. Taylor (clear number 1 for me)
2. Dangerfield
3. Walker
4. Cotchin
5. Ward

 

[Bojangles17]

It's entirely possible for anyone to rate Danger and Walker as 1 and 2 in this draft. The top 4 of Taylor, Danger, Walker and Cotchin are interchangeable as they are all on about level pegging, and each person has their opinion of where they should be rated.

To date much of walkers status is based on a mix of promise and bluster, what's he been accredited with as in AA or Coleman medals that would rate him higher than a dual B&f winner and AA,,,other than bloated opinion?

 

[Untouchables22]

No bias at all,

Happy to admit that I am a little biased. Everyone is.

I'd definitely entertain the thought of swapping Walker and Taylor in my rankings, I think they're both amazing players (but then my bias kicked in). At least my bias is semi-defendable.

 

[timtamWB]

To date much of walkers status is based on a mix of promise and bluster, what's he been accredited with as in AA or Coleman medals that would rate him higher than a dual B&f winner and AA,,,other than bloated opinion?

The fact that last year he kicked over 60 goals from 19 games, came close to winning the Coleman medal, and looked to be on track to do similar if not better this year until he was injured. Plus I'd rate KPF's higher than midfielders usually.

 

[Wild Bill]

The fact that last year he kicked over 60 goals from 19 games, came close to winning the Coleman medal, and looked to be on track to do similar if not better this year until he was injured. Plus I'd rate KPF's higher than midfielders usually.

Knowing what we know now I think teams could pick any of the top 4 in this draft at one.

My team I would hope took Taylor as he would be a combo with Thompson. Our mids and forwards are in better shape. But any team that need a power forward night take the risk on Walker coming off a knee if they had pick one. Dogs and Blues come straight to mind where a Wce, Hawks would like one of Cotchin or Dangerfield.

 

[timtamWB]

Knowing what we know now I think teams could pick any of the top 4 in this draft at one.

My team I would hope took Taylor as he would be a combo with Thompson. Our mids and forwards are in better shape. But any team that need a power forward night take the risk on Walker coming off a knee if they had pick one. Dogs and Blues come straight to mind where a Wce, Hawks would like one of Cotchin or Dangerfield.

Exactly, the top 4 are interchangeable depending on the team like I said before. Melbourne would take Cotchin, because they need midfielders and also Cotchin's leadership would be invaluable. Bulldogs would take Walker because we would like a KPF. Please. Just one. North would take Taylor for the reasons you listed above. West Coast would take Dangerfield because they need an elite midfielder like him.

But really you'd be happy if your club picked any one of the 4, and if it was the dogs, I would rate them:

1. Walker
2. Taylor
3. Danger
4. Cotchin

Just because I rate KPP's more, and I think Danger's explosiveness is something we could really use.

 

[LordLucifer]

re do the first round now we have seen them play and with clubs needs that we know

Why ??

Who cares ??

 

[Wild Bill]

Exactly, the top 4 are interchangeable depending on the team like I said before. Melbourne would take Cotchin, because they need midfielders and also Cotchin's leadership would be invaluable. Bulldogs would take Walker because we would like a KPF. Please. Just one. North would take Taylor for the reasons you listed above. West Coast would take Dangerfield because they need an elite midfielder like him.

But really you'd be happy if your club picked any one of the 4, and if it was the dogs, I would rate them:

1. Walker
2. Taylor
3. Danger
4. Cotchin

Just because I rate KPP's more, and I think Danger's explosiveness is something we could really use.

For the Roos I would go Taylor, Walker, Danger and Cotchin - even though I think Cotchin is the best player from this draft. I agree about having a better rating for KPP's.

 

[timtamWB]

If anyone is interested, the Herald Sun re-ranked the top 10 of this draft. And of course they put Rioli before Walker

1. Patrick Dangerfield (pick 10)
2. Harry Taylor (pick 17)
3. Trent Cotchin (2)
4. Cyril Rioli (pick 12)
5. Taylor Walker (75 - NSW scholarship pick)
6. Scott Thompson (NM) (37)
7. Ben McEvoy (9)
8. Chris Mayne (40)
9. Matthew Kreuzer (1)
10. Scott Selwood (22)

 

[Watson_my_mind]

1. Harry Taylor

2. Trent Cotchin

3. Patrick Dangerfield

4. Taylor Walker

5. Cyril Rioli

6. Chris Masten

7. Callan Ward

8. Brad Ebert

9. Lachie Henderson

10. Scott Selwood

11. Jack Steven

12. Matthew Kreuzer

13. Scott Thompson

14. Alex Rance

15. Chris Mayne

16. Brendan Whitecross

17. Pierce Hanley

18. Rhys Palmer

19. Nathan Grima

20. Craig Bird

21. Matthew Lobbe

22. Jack Grimes

23. Tom Bellchamers

24. Andy Otten

25. Cale Hooker

26. Shane Mumford

27. Easton Wood

28. Dawson Simpson

29. David Myers

30. Jarrad Grant

Why isn't your new star recruit in this list? Also, Jack Steven is an absolute gun mid and should be going before Masten, Ebert and maybe even Ward.

 

[CaneGarner]

1. Trent Cotchin (pick 2)
2. Patrick Dangerfield (pick 10)
3. Cyril Rioli (pick 12)
4. Harry Taylor (pick 17)
5. Pearce Hanley (rookie pick 38)
6. Scott Selwood (pick 22)
7. Jack Steven (pick 42)
8. Brad Ebert (pick 13)
9. Scott D. Thompson (pick 37)
10. Taylor Walker (pick 75)
11. Callan Ward (pick 19)
12. Lachlan Henderson (pick 8)
13. Chris Masten (pick 3)
14. Matthew Kreuzer (pick 1)
15. Craig Bird (pick 59)
16. Alex Rance (pick 18)
17. Chris Mayne (pick 40)
18. Ben McEvoy (pick 9)
19. Cale Hooker (pick 54)
20. Brendan Whitecross (pick 29)
21. Dennis Armfield (pick 46)
22. Rhys Palmer (pick 7)
23. James Polkinghorne (pick 41)
24. Jack Grimes (pick 14)
25. Kepler Bradley (pick 69)
26. Cale Morton (pick 4)
27. Tayte Pears (pick 23)
28. Andy Otten (pick 27)
29. David Myers (pick 6)
30. Jarrad Grant (pick 5)

 

[Guardian Hawk]

If anyone is interested, the Herald Sun re-ranked the top 10 of this draft. And of course they put Rioli before Walker

I'll probably be dismissed simply for being a Hawthorn supporter but if you were to re-rank based solely on output so far, Rioli would be ahead of Walker (If you were re-drafting I would definately have Walker higher as most do in this thread).

Despite missing games and playing in a very strong, dual premiership outfit, Rioli has finished 6th, 4th, 2nd, 8th and 6th in the B&F.

He has had 5-6 good to very good seasons and has been All-Australian.

Conversely, Walker has had one very good season (2012) and one "OK" season (2011) where he was still dropped multiple times (Rioli has never been dropped or even played a game at VFL level).

Whilst Walker's 2012 may have been the best of the lot and highlighted his potential to be a dominant KPF, at this point Rioli has done more. This is best emphasised by the 2008-2010 period as Rioli became a premiership player, runner up in the B&F and was named by the AFLPA as the best young player in the game (2008-2009). Meanwhile, Walker had played an entire season without cracking an AFL game ('08), was then dropped several times ('09-'11) and was publically demonised for not providing enough forward pressure (one of Rioli's greatest strength areas).

The fact that Walker's main role and primary strength is as a goalkicker and he has only kicked 4 more goals than Rioli further highlights that thus far, Rioli is ahead (I fully expect the gap to close once Walker is on the park).

 

[Ambrosia]

1. Trent Cotchin (pick 2)
2. Patrick Dangerfield (pick 10)
3. Cyril Rioli (pick 12)
4. Harry Taylor (pick 17)
5. Pearce Hanley (rookie pick 38)
6. Scott Selwood (pick 22)
7. Jack Steven (pick 42)
8. Brad Ebert (pick 13)
9. Scott D. Thompson (pick 37)
10. Taylor Walker (pick 75)
11. Callan Ward (pick 19)
12. Lachlan Henderson (pick 8)
13. Chris Masten (pick 3)
14. Matthew Kreuzer (pick 1)
15. Craig Bird (pick 59)
16. Alex Rance (pick 18)
17. Chris Mayne (pick 40)
18. Ben McEvoy (pick 9)
19. Cale Hooker (pick 54)
20. Brendan Whitecross (pick 29)
21. Dennis Armfield (pick 46)
22. Rhys Palmer (pick 7)
23. James Polkinghorne (pick 41)
24. Jack Grimes (pick 14)
25. Kepler Bradley (pick 69)
26. Cale Morton (pick 4)
27. Tayte Pears (pick 23)
28. Andy Otten (pick 27)
29. David Myers (pick 6)
30. Jarrad Grant (pick 5)

Bellchambers?

 

[CaneGarner]

Bellchambers?

I didn't have Bellchambers in there as he was a PSD pick. If I include him he slots in at 29, dropping Myers to 30 and Jarrad Grant off the list. This list is based purely on output so far - and for the record I think 2007 is a little too recent to judge definitively. Revisiting this list in a few years would likely see Bellchambers climb the list given that ruckmen tend to be late developers.

 

[Ambrosia]

I didn't have Bellchambers in there as he was a PSD pick. If I include him he slots in at 29, dropping Myers to 30 and Jarrad Grant off the list. This list is based purely on output so far - and for the record I think 2007 is a little too recent to judge definitively. Revisiting this list in a few years would likely see Bellchambers climb the list given that ruckmen tend to be late developers.

I don't really understand how you can not include the preseason draft but include the rookie draft.

 

[CaneGarner]

I don't really understand how you can not include the preseason draft but include the rookie draft.

Fair call. Have edited it to include PSD.

 

[CaneGarner]

I don't really understand how you can not include the preseason draft but include the rookie draft.

Fair call. Have edited it to include PSD. As mentioned before, this is based solely on output to date, so the order might well change in future.

1. Trent Cotchin (National Draft pick 2)
2. Patrick Dangerfield (National Draft pick 10)
3. Cyril Rioli (National Draft pick 12)
4. Harry Taylor (National Draft pick 17)
5. Pearce Hanley (Rookie Draft pick 38)
6. Scott Selwood (National Draft pick 22)
7. Jack Steven (National Draft pick 42)
8. Brad Ebert (National Draft pick 13)
9. Scott D. Thompson (National Draft pick 37)
10. Taylor Walker (National Draft pick 75)
11. Callan Ward (National Draft pick 19)
12. Lachlan Henderson (National Draft pick 8)
13. Chris Masten (National Draft pick 3)
14. Matthew Kreuzer (National Draft pick 1)
15. Craig Bird (National Draft pick 59)
16. Chris Mayne (National Draft pick 40)
17. Alex Rance (National Draft pick 18)
18. Ben McEvoy (National Draft pick 9)
19. Cale Hooker (National Draft pick 54)
20. Brendan Whitecross (National Draft pick 29)
21. Dennis Armfield (National Draft pick 46)
22. Rhys Palmer (National Draft pick 7)
23. James Polkinghorne (National Draft pick 41)
24. Jack Grimes (National Draft pick 14)
25. Kepler Bradley (National Draft pick 69)
26. Cale Morton (National Draft pick 4)
27. Stefan Martin (Pre-Season Draft pick 3)
28. Tayte Pears (National Draft pick 23)
29. Patrick McGinnity (Pre-Season Draft pick 7)
30. Andy Otten (National Draft pick 27)
31. Tom Bellchambers (Pre-Season Draft pick 8)
32. David Myers (National Draft pick 6)
33. Jarrad Grant (National Draft pick 5)
34. Levi Greenwood (National Draft pick 32)
35. Easton Wood (National Draft pick 43)
36. Bradd Dalziell (National Draft pick 52)

 

[Wargreymon90]

Matthew Lobbe is a bit underrated. Only had one good year though, but watch him shoot up the rankings next year