Draft Review 2007 - Redo the 2007 Draft

[Ambrosia]

Matthew Lobbe is a bit underrated. Only had one good year though, but watch him shoot up the rankings next year

Agree if Lobbe can continue his late season form he could have genuine claims to being the best ruck in this draft.

Going into next year there really isn't much between Kreuzer, Bellchambers, Mcevoy and Lobbe.

 

[Big Fresh]

Fair call. Have edited it to include PSD. As mentioned before, this is based solely on output to date, so the order might well change in future.

1. Trent Cotchin (National Draft pick 2)
2. Patrick Dangerfield (National Draft pick 10)
3. Cyril Rioli (National Draft pick 12)
4. Harry Taylor (National Draft pick 17)
5. Pearce Hanley (Rookie Draft pick 38)
6. Scott Selwood (National Draft pick 22)
7. Jack Steven (National Draft pick 42)
8. Brad Ebert (National Draft pick 13)
9. Scott D. Thompson (National Draft pick 37)
10. Taylor Walker (National Draft pick 75)
11. Callan Ward (National Draft pick 19)
12. Lachlan Henderson (National Draft pick 8)
13. Chris Masten (National Draft pick 3)
14. Matthew Kreuzer (National Draft pick 1)
15. Craig Bird (National Draft pick 59)
16. Chris Mayne (National Draft pick 40)
17. Alex Rance (National Draft pick 18)
18. Ben McEvoy (National Draft pick 9)
19. Cale Hooker (National Draft pick 54)
20. Brendan Whitecross (National Draft pick 29)
21. Dennis Armfield (National Draft pick 46)
22. Rhys Palmer (National Draft pick 7)
23. James Polkinghorne (National Draft pick 41)
24. Jack Grimes (National Draft pick 14)
25. Kepler Bradley (National Draft pick 69)
26. Cale Morton (National Draft pick 4)
27. Stefan Martin (Pre-Season Draft pick 3)
28. Tayte Pears (National Draft pick 23)
29. Patrick McGinnity (Pre-Season Draft pick 7)
30. Andy Otten (National Draft pick 27)
31. Tom Bellchambers (Pre-Season Draft pick 8)
32. David Myers (National Draft pick 6)
33. Jarrad Grant (National Draft pick 5)
34. Levi Greenwood (National Draft pick 32)
35. Easton Wood (National Draft pick 43)
36. Bradd Dalziell (National Draft pick 52)

Seriously? Bellchambers is worse than Stefan Martin? Martin's played one more match and he's got half as many hit outs and goals. Are you sure you know who Tom Bellchambers is? I won't even get started on Armfield, Palmer, Polkinghorne, Bradley, McGinnity, and Morton. I'd also say TBC's now better than Kreuzer and McEvoy but I guess they're up for debate. Stefan Martin is not up for debate.

 

[Wild Bill]

Fair call. Have edited it to include PSD. As mentioned before, this is based solely on output to date, so the order might well change in future.

1. Trent Cotchin (National Draft pick 2)
2. Patrick Dangerfield (National Draft pick 10)
3. Cyril Rioli (National Draft pick 12)
4. Harry Taylor (National Draft pick 17)
5. Pearce Hanley (Rookie Draft pick 38)
6. Scott Selwood (National Draft pick 22)
7. Jack Steven (National Draft pick 42)
8. Brad Ebert (National Draft pick 13)
9. Scott D. Thompson (National Draft pick 37)
10. Taylor Walker (National Draft pick 75)
11. Callan Ward (National Draft pick 19)
12. Lachlan Henderson (National Draft pick 8)
13. Chris Masten (National Draft pick 3)
14. Matthew Kreuzer (National Draft pick 1)
15. Craig Bird (National Draft pick 59)
16. Chris Mayne (National Draft pick 40)
17. Alex Rance (National Draft pick 18)
18. Ben McEvoy (National Draft pick 9)
19. Cale Hooker (National Draft pick 54)
20. Brendan Whitecross (National Draft pick 29)
21. Dennis Armfield (National Draft pick 46)
22. Rhys Palmer (National Draft pick 7)
23. James Polkinghorne (National Draft pick 41)
24. Jack Grimes (National Draft pick 14)
25. Kepler Bradley (National Draft pick 69)
26. Cale Morton (National Draft pick 4)
27. Stefan Martin (Pre-Season Draft pick 3)
28. Tayte Pears (National Draft pick 23)
29. Patrick McGinnity (Pre-Season Draft pick 7)
30. Andy Otten (National Draft pick 27)
31. Tom Bellchambers (Pre-Season Draft pick 8)
32. David Myers (National Draft pick 6)
33. Jarrad Grant (National Draft pick 5)
34. Levi Greenwood (National Draft pick 32)
35. Easton Wood (National Draft pick 43)
36. Bradd Dalziell (National Draft pick 52)

Not a bad list - I think if it based on performance so far Thompson has Hanely covered. Thompson has an AA and B&F to his name.

Also Bellchambers is a little low - he should be around the 20 mark with Hooker and McEvoy.

 

[Daz]

I'm assuming the list is based on some statistical formula because if it's just opinion based you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[Wild Bill]

Based on what they have produced so far:

1) Trent Cotchin
2) Patrick Dangerfield
3) Harry Taylor
Clear 3 for me - could swap either and I would not have an issue.
4) Scott Selwood
5) Scott Thompson
6) Cyril Rioli
7) Callan Ward
8) Jack Stevens
9) Taylor Walker
10) Pearce Hanely
11) Brad Ebert
12) Alex Rance
13) Lachlan Henderson
14) Chris Manye
15) Matthew Kreuzer
16) Chris Masten
17) Cale Hooker
18) Tom Bellchamebrs
19) Jack Grimes
20) Ben McEvoy

 

[Wild Bill]

If I was picking the players who will be the best 20 by career end:

1) Trent Cotchin
2) Patrick Dangerfield
3) Taylor Walker
4) Harry Taylor
5) Scott Thompson
6) Jack Stevens
7) Callum Ward
8) Scott Selwood
9) Pearce Hanley
10) Cyril Rioli
11) Brad Ebert
12) Lachlan Henderson
13) Matthew Krezer
14) Alex Rance
15) Tom Belchambers
16) Chris Masten
17) Jack Grimes
18) Cale Hooker
19) Chris Mayne
20) Ben McEvoy

 

[Ambrosia]

Wild Bill Good lists although Scott Selwood seems to high on both imo

 

[Wild Bill]

Wild Bill Good lists although Scott Selwood seems to high on both imo

Maybe - he won WCE B&F last year in a decent side.

 

[CaneGarner]

I'm assuming the list is based on some statistical formula because if it's just opinion based you should be ashamed of yourself.

It is indeed based on a statistical model which considers games played, All Australian selection as well as AFLCA votes - the reason Stefan Martin scores higher than Bellchambers is because he has played one more game and has achieved a (slightly) higher number of AFLCA votes over his best 20 week period. In fact there scores are equivalent (4.1 out of ten) but Martin is ahead by a whisker.

The formula is intended to measure a player's value over their career so it is a bit of a blunt instrument for recent drafts where players are still developing, of course I agree that Bellchambers is a better player than Martin and am sure that will come out in the results in good time - as I mentioned in an earlier post I expect him to climb the list in coming years.

 

[timtamWB]

I'll probably be dismissed simply for being a Hawthorn supporter but if you were to re-rank based solely on output so far, Rioli would be ahead of Walker (If you were re-drafting I would definately have Walker higher as most do in this thread).

Despite missing games and playing in a very strong, dual premiership outfit, Rioli has finished 6th, 4th, 2nd, 8th and 6th in the B&F.

He has had 5-6 good to very good seasons and has been All-Australian.

Conversely, Walker has had one very good season (2012) and one "OK" season (2011) where he was still dropped multiple times (Rioli has never been dropped or even played a game at VFL level).

Whilst Walker's 2012 may have been the best of the lot and highlighted his potential to be a dominant KPF, at this point Rioli has done more. This is best emphasised by the 2008-2010 period as Rioli became a premiership player, runner up in the B&F and was named by the AFLPA as the best young player in the game (2008-2009). Meanwhile, Walker had played an entire season without cracking an AFL game ('08), was then dropped several times ('09-'11) and was publically demonised for not providing enough forward pressure (one of Rioli's greatest strength areas).

The fact that Walker's main role and primary strength is as a goalkicker and he has only kicked 4 more goals than Rioli further highlights that thus far, Rioli is ahead (I fully expect the gap to close once Walker is on the park).

I agree. But I was ranking them as if "If the draft were to be run today, where would each player be taken?" As good as Rioli is, most clubs would take Walker because gun KPF's just don't come around that often. It's the old "talls are rated higher" chestnut again.

 

[yaco55]

I didn't have Bellchambers in there as he was a PSD pick. If I include him he slots in at 29, dropping Myers to 30 and Jarrad Grant off the list. This list is based purely on output so far - and for the record I think 2007 is a little too recent to judge definitively. Revisiting this list in a few years would likely see Bellchambers climb the list given that ruckmen tend to be late developers.

You have to include all the drafts in the selected year - That's ND/PSD/Rookie - Or otherwise you are missing a huge chunk of players - And Bradley was not originally drafted in 2007 - He was redrafted by another club.

 

[lunacy]

In 2007, Adelaide were weighing up between Aaron Kite and Rory Sloane with their last pick. But they took Kite and picked up Sloane the next year.

If they took Sloane with their last pick where would he rate?

Danger Walker Sloane would have been a very strong draft.

 

[Wild Bill]

In 2007, Adelaide were weighing up between Aaron Kite and Rory Sloane with their last pick. But they took Kite and picked up Sloane the next year.

If they took Sloane with their last pick where would he rate?

Danger Walker Sloane would have been a very strong draft.

I would have him just inside the top 10 with Hanley and Selwood.

 

[00Stinger]

Seriously? Bellchambers is worse than Stefan Martin? Martin's played one more match and he's got half as many hit outs and goals. Are you sure you know who Tom Bellchambers is? I won't even get started on Armfield, Palmer, Polkinghorne, Bradley, McGinnity, and Morton. I'd also say TBC's now better than Kreuzer and McEvoy but I guess they're up for debate. Stefan Martin is not up for debate.

Ou realise that Martin played most of his footy as a Blackman, right?

 

[Quinz]

Ou realise that Martin played most of his footy as a Blackman, right?

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Gonna have to come up with a new thing of these.

 

[Bailey01]

I agree. But I was ranking them as if "If the draft were to be run today, where would each player be taken?" As good as Rioli is, most clubs would take Walker because gun KPF's just don't come around that often. It's the old "talls are rated higher" chestnut again.

Yes he has only 4 more goals than Rioli but has 60 odd games less

 

[timtamWB]

Yes he has only 4 more goals than Rioli but has 60 odd games less

So based on output, Rioli is ahead. As he has played more games, mostly as a midfielder/forward, has been AA, and has a couple of premiership medals.

 

[Bailey01]

1. Patrick Dangerfield
2. Harry Taylor
3. Trent Cotchin
4. Taylor Walker
5. Cyril Rioli
6. Scott Thompson (North)
7. Ben McEvoy
8. Jack Steven
9. Brad Ebert
10. Chris Mayne

Scott Selwood, Kreuzer a bit stiff

 

[Bailey01]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know



Cotchin, Masten, Kreuzer, Palmer will all be better players IMO.

Dunno about that..... (sorry for bumping comment)

 

[Bailey01]

Looking back at the first few pages Cale Morton was really overrated........

 

[year of the cat]

1. Patrick Dangerfield
2. Harry Taylor
3. Trent Cotchin
4. Taylor Walker
5. Cyril Rioli
6. Scott Thompson (North)
7. Ben McEvoy
8. Jack Steven
9. Brad Ebert
10. Chris Mayne

Scott Selwood, Kreuzer a bit stiff

If you are doing a list for where they may end up at the end of their careers you may be right. But as of the end of 2013, Taylor would have to be number one. For consistency, premierships, all Australians, performance in big games - including finals, he would have no peer from the class of 2007.

 

[Bailey01]

If you are doing a list for where they may end up at the end of their careers you may be right. But as of the end of 2013, Taylor would have to be number one. For consistency, premierships, all Australians, performance in big games - including finals, he would have no peer from the class of 2007.

I wouldn't say clear number 1, Taylor has had a champion team around him from day one. All of the top 4 on my list are really hard to split because they have been outstanding so far.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

re do the first round now we have seen them play and with clubs needs that we know


1. Carlton - Cyril Rioli - have to take him as he is the best from the draft and will be a great midfielder and forward for the blues

2. Richmond - Patrick Dangerfield - need quality mids and would take someone who is durable and hard to try and change their culture. cotchin too injured and they are worried about long term

3. West Coast - Trent Cotchin - know he will take time but happy to spend time down ladder and know he wull op well in their culture

4. Melbourne - Matthew Kruezer - need a ruckman and another forward so is perfect fit

5. Western bulldogs - - Jarraod Grant - still think he will be a solution to forward problems soon

6. Essendon - Tate Pears - key player for their future to take over from fletch

7. Fremantle - Rhys Palmer - need everything but stay with Palmer because they love him

8. Brisbane - Cale Morton - he is soft but he is a good mid for them to go with black and power

9. St Kilda - Callan Ward - they have most covered but he is just the type of footballer they love. they wish they got rioli

10. Adelaide - Jack Grimes - classy footballer who will follow craigs orders and execute game plan perfect

11. Sydney - David Myers - they love classy running backs and will think they can get the most out of him

12. Hawthorn - Scott Thompson - get a good full back that they need

13. West Coast - Lachlan henderson - add another tall that can develop with Kennedy

14. Melbourne - Chris masten - add a good classy midfielder to a very bare bunch

15. North melbourne - Brad Ebert - add the best midfielder available to a weak area

16. Port Adelaide - Patrick Vezpremi - get some chardness into their team and some classiness

17. Geelong - stay with harry Taylor to back up their defence

Basically you did this because you felt Cyril was number one and wanted to hear others say it too? He clearly isn't as good as Patrick dangerfield or Trent Cochin who are up there in the premiere mids of the competition, not a part time mid forward getting 14 touches a game in Cyril.

And Harry Taylor an AA CHB and best marking defender in the game at 17? Clearly have no idea

 

[goodie23]

Basically you did this because you felt Cyril was number one and wanted to hear others say it too? He clearly isn't as good as Patrick dangerfield or Trent Cochin who are up there in the premiere mids of the competition, not a part time mid forward getting 14 touches a game in Cyril.

And Harry Taylor an AA CHB and best marking defender in the game at 17? Clearly have no idea

The original post is four years old, he probably thought this at the time.