2009 Afl draft

[tigerz18]

i know its early in the season, and early in their careers, but will the 2009 draft hurt us ala 2004?

3. Dustin Martin - wouldnt have any other player - so he is fine

however
19. Ben Griffiths - injury plagued, and looks to not have a specific forward or back role, although could be a superstar FF, CHF if shoulders hold up. (later draft picks that are in front ATM - 20. Nate Fyfe, 24. Jake Carlysle, 28. Mitch Duncan)
35. David Astbury - pretty much the same position as Ben Griffiths. (later picks 38. Sam Reid)
44. Matt Dea - could be a very good rebounding HBF, but cannot break in atm with houli and Newman in the side. (46. Ben Stratton - would be in atm)

67 and 71 - jerromy Webberly and Ben Nason - played a few games, delisted, but nothing else at that stage, so cant compare.

Preseason draft - Dylan Grimes - win, win , win.

i wont go into rookie draft
But based on this, we passed up on better like for like players with these guys, but again, their careers are still young, but i hope this doesn't come back to haunt us in the next few years. But there are already premiership players in this group and Fyfe and Stratton are out and out superstars already.

 

[tigs2010]

Most of our guys bar Martin and the delisted players have been injury prone.

I wish they'd play Griff forward. We have the defenders now. The ones we missed. Fyfe was a short arse full forward who has exploded since coming into AFL. Even freo didn't see this coming. Duncan we needed talls due to previous poor list management so it came down to Carlisle v Griffiths. I can see why they went griff. Big 200cm FF with a booming kick and both had injury issues. But, if we are going to play griff back then we should have taken Carlisle.

Astbury. Hasn't got on the park since year 1 where he was very good. Personally think he will become our gorilla defender. Hopefully sooner than later so we can then move griff forward. As for passing on Reid he hasn't fired a shot for nearly 2 years. He'd have been crucified on this board by now if he was a tiger.

Dea I'm a fan of and again if he can stay injury free could be a very good defender. Hands are so clean. Can lock down on a small, medium or if desperate tall. IMO Stratton is obviously better at this stage and may well stay ahead but he is far from a gun. Good player in a good defensive system. If we missed one player with pick 44 I think we will survive. Besides grimes and Stratton would play similar role.

 

[Wallaby]

Yea, usual stuff. Hits and misses. Main point is there seem to be only one real Superstar from the draft - so far . Probably not great for us overall. Martin fine (although I am a bit concerned about his tank - he's had 4 pre-seasons now and you would expect him to be a bit fitter), Griffiths and Astbury really haven't shown much (cue apologists) - but they really haven't shown much. Dea is depth at this stage - OK. Grimes brings the overall score from 'Disappointing' to 'Hmm - could have done better'. If 5 out of 10 is 'OK' - I give this draft a 4 at best (with a note to revisit in 2 years).

 

[Spagman]

Whatever happened to Nason? He came and went hey.

 

[MR]

We got two absolute guns from the draft, can't ask for anything more. You always need to give KPPs time. Especially those who are 200cm and have been injury plagued.

Dea who was taken at pick 44 has remained on our list for 3 years. He hasn't done much so far, but you say it's due to a lack of opportunities. Credit to him though, he is clearly respected by the players and coaching staff. He is good depth but we aren't going to take the next Gary Ablett at a pick like that.

 

[City Search]

Dea has been good for a pick 44, anything more then 2 years on a list at that pick is a pass

 

[Bird Man]

Master stroke taking Griff over fyfe

 

[the push up king]

First round we take best avaliable...
There after you address specific needs.
KPP was clearly what was needed, not an outside mid
Surely that's common knowledge??
These hindsight threads completely loose context as to why players are picked!!

 

[Bird Man]

First round we take best avaliable...
There after you address specific needs.
KPP was clearly what was needed, not an outside mid
Surely that's common knowledge??
These hindsight threads completely loose context as to why players are picked!!

admit that our list would be so much better if we had fyfe not Griff .. coaching has ruiend Griffs impact cause he is a forward NOT A FULL BACK DIMMAAHHH!!

Luke McGuan was originally a forward and it talk half his carrier for teh coaching panel to realise that ....

 

[Harmichael]

Gun though he is, couldn't give a stuff about Fyfe, Carlisle's the big miss for us in that draft IMO.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

I'd say Deledio and coleman medal contender Luke McGun in the same draft is a pretty good haul

 

[the push up king]

If i had my time again i would pick carlisle over griff and fyfe.

And FWIW injury has ruined griffs impact, not the coaches.

It didnt take half of mcgoofs career for the coaching staff to realise his a forward. It took that long to tell him your a shit defender, and if your cant play forward you'll be delisted. Turns out, mcgoofs a handy forward.

How ironic that were talking about mcgoof being a handy forward, when it was this corresponding game last year that he had that fresh airy and missed a goal from 1 meter out

 

[Greggy]

Would've been nice to get Fyfe being a Richmond supporter and the 2nd best player from the draft, would've gone down as our best draft in a decade or two! I'd hate to see Griffiths ending up as a gun CHF at another club if we don't play him there soon.

Regarding OP, Injuries have stalled every player from that draft besides Martin.

 

[Dragonss]

stop dwelling on the past. the past is the past. what we need to worry about is the present and the future. no use saying 'oh we should've gotten blahblahblah' no way would we have known that Nat Fyfe would be a superstar because of other external factors.

 

[tigerz18]

thats the whole basis of our recruitment department's job description

i'm not saying the players we got are failures. Just hoping that 2 kpp that are constantly injured and a decent, if not so-so, hbf are enough to go along with martin and grimes in this draft, and in a few years time, they are not being referred to along with the ghosts of draft 2004

 

[Gentlemen]

Delisting Nason was a bit of a mistake, he wasn't that bad of a player, could pop up and score a goal, should've given him more then two years.

I always liked Webberly as well, he didn't get enough of a chance in the seniors, he would dominate VFL, play 1 average game in AFL and be dropped before he was given the chance to play another week.

Troy Taylor was a risk that failed.

 

[theflea]

thats the whole basis of our recruitment department's job description

i'm not saying the players we got are failures. Just hoping that 2 kpp that are constantly injured and a decent, if not so-so, hbf are enough to go along with martin and grimes in this draft, and in a few years time, they are not being referred to along with the ghosts of draft 2004

The job description of the recruiters is to balance out talent with list deficiencies. It is however the duty of the coaching to DEVELOP this talent no matter where they were drafted and imo this has been our biggest failure.

Remember its a speculative auction and in now way provides a guarentee. No club has a perfect record.

 

[Livonski]

If I had my time again I'd look and see which draftee turned out the best.
Then I'd pick him.

These discussions are embarrassing.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Now dont go taking the fun out of this thread...

 

[TigerRoar2012]

More to the present; at least Vlaustin was a bloody good pick up!!

 

[TigerRoar2012]

i wont go into rookie draft
But based on this, we passed up on better like for like players with these guys, but again, their careers are still young, but i hope this doesn't come back to haunt us in the next few years. But there are already premiership players in this group and Fyfe and Stratton are out and out superstars already.

If you did want to go into the rookie draft, you could say;
Robert Hicks (#7) over Barlow (#8) and Majak Daw (#9) - Barlow obviously the big one here.
and
Relton Roberts (38) over Crameri (43)