2010 Premiership Ahead of Schedule?

[TradeDraft]

I just been thinking about this and I was mostly thinking of our Young KPP we had in the Game in:

• Dawes
• Reid
• Brown

They had under 20 games played at AFL Level and you think it takes 70-80 Games for them to come Consistant and play well.


KPP are very important to team Structure and Good KPP Players go along way for teams winning the Flag.


So with how young they where did we win a Flag before Schedule?


That's why I think we are a Massive Chance for this years Flag with Reid and Dawes having another Full Season and both are up to 50 Games now

 

[Quicky]

Re: 2010 Premirship Ahead of Schedule?

It's a very pertinent point you raise TD. That was my thoughts that year too. I thought with the dearth of experience in our KPP that year, particularly after Presti ruled himself out, that we were really up against it. You could argue we were up against it but really credit to our development team and Reid, Brown and Dawes for stepping up and proving history, and the doubters like me, wrong.

It also highlights that we should be cherryripe this year!

 

[lethalburns]

I always thought we won our flag early. Had a stack of kids running around against two very hardened teams.

If we can keep our list together and avoid huge injuries our best is yet to come.

 

[mattys123]

Re: 2010 Premirship Ahead of Schedule?

Nope.

2006 - first week finals loss to Dogs
2007 - prelim final loss by a kick to Cats
2008 - Finals win against Crows, loss to saints next week
2009 - prelim loss to Cats
2010 - Flag
2011 - GF loss

Seems about in order to me, 2010-2014 was always going to be the 5 year window for this club, in 2009 we showed we were just off the pace, in 2010 we improved and lost some dead weight and won a flag, and last year we were the best team for all but the last 6 weeks of the season.

About on track I'd say, all of it, we'll pick up at least one other flag before the likes of Swan, Shaw, Maxwell, O'Brien etc are retired, barring an annual run of bad luck in back to back seasons.

 

[Mars II]

Re: 2010 Premirship Ahead of Schedule?

Nope.

2006 - first week finals loss to Dogs
2007 - prelim final loss by a kick to Cats
2008 - Finals win against Crows, loss to saints next week
2009 - prelim loss to Cats
2010 - Flag
2011 - GF loss

Seems about in order to me, 2010-2014 was always going to be the 5 year window for this club, in 2009 we showed we were just off the pace, in 2010 we improved and lost some dead weight and won a flag, and last year we were the best team for all but the last 6 weeks of the season.

About on track I'd say, all of it, we'll pick up at least one other flag before the likes of Swan, Shaw, Maxwell, O'Brien etc are retired, barring an annual run of bad luck in back to back seasons.

Good post

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Re: 2010 Premirship Ahead of Schedule?

Look at it this way - Hawthorn couldn't even make back-to-back Grand Finals in their current incarnation. You've made three in two years!!! Collingwood are far from done with in my opinion.

 

[TradeDraft]

Re: 2010 Premirship Ahead of Schedule?

Look at it this way - Hawthorn couldn't even make back-to-back Grand Finals in their current incarnation. You've made three in two years!!! Collingwood are far from done with in my opinion.

Agreed - If everything goes right for us come September. LOOK OUT!!

 

[Collingwood 4 eternity]

Re: 2010 Premirship Ahead of Schedule?

Look at it this way - Hawthorn couldn't even make back-to-back Grand Finals in their current incarnation. You've made three in two years!!! Collingwood are far from done with in my opinion.

Actually it was 3 Grand Finals in 371 days , or 1 year and 6 days
or 4 if you include the Nab cup Grand Final.

We need Blakey to keep us running to the expected Premiership timetable instead of having our season thrown under a bus with injuries.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Re: 2010 Premirship Ahead of Schedule?

I dont think it was early in terms of where the CLUB was, but you could argue it was early in terms of the age of our team.

Afterall, it was the youngest premiership side in over 30 years.

To me that says we should be in for a nice period of being a great football side. Hopefully we come out of it with more than 1 flag. I'd be pretty content with 2 to be honest, but 3 would be better.

 

[4#Didak#4]

We have a young list so in some ways yes it was ahead of schedule. I always felt that 2010 was a bonus, at the start of the year we couldn't have been that confident of a flag given St Kilda & Geelongs dominance. 2011 we had expectations which were all but met until 3/4 time of the GF. It did feel like 2011 was our year and we missed out.

Having said all that I don't really believe in premiership windows etc. Its about creating opportunity and taking it. If you finish top 4 you have a very good opportunity to win the flag. All you need is a bit of luck and things to fall your way. Last year things didn't fall our way and we still nearly won. 2010 things couldn't have fallen better and we nearly lost. Its a fine line, all you can do is get yourself in a position to win and hope for the best, we can't expect things to happen just because its "our time" ask Saints & Hawks supporters.

 

[jonbe54]

It's certainly not all about having the best mature players all the time either.

All through the '70's we had some pretty sensational sides and failed consistantly at the final hurdle. Yet in '90 most of us will admit we weren't the most skilled side in the comp and took out the flag, same can be said for '10.

 

[Phil McCreviss]

Sorry to intrude but was reading this thread with much interest.

Honestly I think the pies in 2010 were clearly the most dominant team that year. The premiership may have come early but in my opinion the best team won the flag.

Not sure if anyone watched On the Couch a couple of weeks ago but Roos asked Ross Lyon which GF loss hurt most and he said 2009 because he felt Collingwood were the best team in 10 whereas Geelong weren't as dominant in 09. Pretty valid point.

Best of luck to you in 2012.

Cheers

 

[Quicky]

I didn't see that segment but it's a very interesting comment from Lyon. Lyon recieves no love in here but it's great to hear some honest evaluations from someone that was obviously on the pulse of the competition at that time.

 

[Swooop]

Agree - and I reckon most people would think we were the best team in 2010.

Geelong were much improved in 2011 compared to 2010, not so much because they got better personnel, but more because of the freshening up with the exit of a tired and stale Thompson and the resolution of the Ablett / GC Suns cancerous pall and the arrival of a new coach who appeared to invigorate the whole group.

It seemed it was our turn to be distracted by internal issues in 2011, plus of course the significant higher injury and suspension load compared to 2010, that weighed us down below Geelong's new found level.

 

[doppleganger]

Re: 2010 Premirship Ahead of Schedule?

Nope.

2006 - first week finals loss to Dogs
2007 - prelim final loss by a kick to Cats
2008 - Finals win against Crows, loss to saints next week
2009 - prelim loss to Cats
2010 - Flag
2011 - GF loss

Seems about in order to me, 2010-2014 was always going to be the 5 year window for this club, in 2009 we showed we were just off the pace, in 2010 we improved and lost some dead weight and won a flag, and last year we were the best team for all but the last 6 weeks of the season.

About on track I'd say, all of it, we'll pick up at least one other flag before the likes of Swan, Shaw, Maxwell, O'Brien etc are retired, barring an annual run of bad luck in back to back seasons.

This post sums it up perfectly.

Guys like Thomas, Pendles, Cloke, Dawes, N.Brown, Reid, Welligham and Sidey all tasted finals experience before 2010.

2010 we were ready, the youth were finally ready to go.
2011 highlighted that all the planning and preparation can be for nothing if you dont have a bit of luck when it counts.

The pies should be around the mark for the next 3 years....but there are no gaurantees that means more premierships....fecking hope we get a couple more though....need to be first team to 17!!

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

One thing about 2009, 2010 and 2011 though, was that there were only 2 or 3 teams in the competition. The gap was that severe.

I fear though, this year and the coming years the gap between the top 6 teams will not be as evident and it will be much, much harder to win a flag.

I'd expect more games like the Hawks/West Coast final coming up in finals (even with a full team) and less matches like the huge wins we had in the finals 2010.

I hope not though and I'm totally off the mark with this one.

 

[Ed D]

I don't know, there have been some close finals in recent years, especially last year. I agree that the competition is tightning again, but I'd say that close games during the year also don't mean a close finals series, it's still all about peaking at the right time.

2007, Port beat Geelong in the final round in a close game, then got smashed in the GF.

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

That's a good point. I don't now, I just think that in '09 Saints looked invincible/unstoppable, Cats did it for ages too, we did last year and in the later half of '10 etc...I'm talking about playing teams outside the top 2 or 3 mind you.

Of course there were a few exceptions that went both ways during two or three games, including finals as you mentioned....there's always been a healthy competition between the top teams...but between those top few teams and the rest of the comp I just see it being a lot closer than before and as a result a lot harder because the gap seems to be shrinking.

 

[Ed D]

Yeah, I agree, the last few years there's been a team or two that have dominated each season, and have generally made the GF, but funnily enough haven't always won it (Cats 2008, Saints 2009, Pies 2011). I guess it makes the preliminary finals more of a contest.

In saying all of that, if Collingwood are going to win the GF they're going to have to be the best team over the finals. It's a good challenge. If the team doesn't win then they don't deserve it (unless there is a lot of bad luck during the game).