2012 draft

[UpTheGuts]

When NicNat was drafted he started in Swan Districts' reserve side

 

[cairo tiger]

WTF is X factor? Can you explain please?

already explained it in an earlier post

vlas = serviceable. worthy. hardworking and reliable

z factor= something different. matchwinner. can be a high risk at times, can go missing. when the game is in the balance may well step up and doing something special. I can go on but I think you may understand. we could label certain players.

 

[Harmichael]

But Vlastuin is a very mature body too. Hard to see him changing his body type. Playing against kids as yet not fully developed

Could be next year's Daniel Rich. I'd take that even with the second & third year plateau.

Of course I'd hope he'd be playing in a far better side than the 2010/11 Lions.

 

[_RT_]

Yeah although only having played footy for 2-3 years I'd say reaching league footy level plus AA Under 18 ruckman twice is a fantastic achievement and can only see him getting better.

That's true, but I believe it will be a lot easier for Vlastuin to adjust to AFL than it will be for Grundy.

 

[Damo80]

when the game is in the balance may well step up and doing something special.

And you don't see this in Vlastuin? I do. This is exactly what I see in Vlasutuin. The sort of person who is so hard, and competitive, that when the game is on the line, he'll drag his team over the line. A natural leader. Maybe not "flashy", but if the above is your definition of X Factor, then I reckon Vlastuin has it, absolutely.

 

[Rich01]

not really because more space coming out from the backline, same reason backs get a lot of stats

Newman doesn't get many stats. Either does Conca, Batch or Ellis. Deledio, Cotchin, Tuck, Grigg and even Martin recorded more ave possessions than our half backs did. Reason being, mids get to more contests and cover more ground. The real question is, will Vlas develop the tank to be an inside mid. He certainly looks hard at it in close, so that's one thing going for him.

 

[tigs2010]

And you don't see this in Vlastuin? I do. This is exactly what I see in Vlasutuin. The sort of person who is so hard, and competitive, that when the game is on the line, he'll drag his team over the line. A natural leader. Maybe not "flashy", but if the above is your definition of X Factor, then I reckon Vlastuin has it, absolutely.

Agree and consistently do it. Not once a month.

 

[UpTheGuts]

@SamLandsberger: A mountain of home-grown talent available, but Port will tonight meet a star Vic kid at his house. Most likely just as a back-up for pick 7.

Wines?

Doesn't sound like they're picking Grundy

 

[Rich01]

And you don't see this in Vlastuin? I do. This is exactly what I see in Vlasutuin. The sort of person who is so hard, and competitive, that when the game is on the line, he'll drag his team over the line. A natural leader. Maybe not "flashy", but if the above is your definition of X Factor, then I reckon Vlastuin has it, absolutely.

Yep. Luke Hodge doesn't have X Factor. And he's no mid. But I'd still probably be able to find a spot for him in our side.

 

[tigs2010]

@SamLandsberger: A mountain of home-grown talent available, but Port will tonight meet a star Vic kid at his house. Most likely just as a back-up for pick 7.

Wines?

Doesn't sound like they're picking Grundy

They're not taking Grundy.

 

[Riskingheadandshin]

already explained it in an earlier post

vlas = serviceable. worthy. hardworking and reliable

z factor= something different. matchwinner. can be a high risk at times, can go missing. when the game is in the balance may well step up and doing something special. I can go on but I think you may understand. we could label certain players.

Like a Dustin Martin, or a Brett Deledio, or a Trent Cotchin, or a Jack Reiwoldt??
So tell me, what happens when Tuck retires, and Foley retires and these X factors have to become accountable?


I would love Richmond to become the first Harlem Globetrotter AFL side, it would be soooo exciting and really fun to watch... Non stop thrills every minute.... Except disciplined, hard working contested teams would bugger us into submission.
Watch the NBA if you want oohs and ahhs.
I'd rather watch Richmond smash teams and break their spirit with tough, uncompromising footy.
Give me a tough guy in the trenches any day, we've already got the cream.

 

[Kegstar]

I recon it may depend on how confidant the club is of picking up Tyson next year

 

[guruisatiger]

Like a Dustin Martin, or a Brett Deledio, or a Trent Cotchin, or a Jack Reiwoldt??
So tell me, what happens when Tuck retires, and Foley retires and these X factors have to become accountable?


I would love Richmond to become the first Harlem Globetrotter AFL side, it would be soooo exciting and really fun to watch... Non stop thrills every minute.... Except disciplined, hard working contested teams would bugger us into submission.
Watch the NBA if you want oohs and ahhs.
I'd rather watch Richmond smash teams and break their spirit with tough, uncompromising footy.
Give me a tough guy in the trenches any day, we've already got the cream.

gerard healy stated on 3aw tonight according to whispers that gws have already told whitfield plowman and orourke they will be picked 1 2 and 3 in the draft interesting hey

 

[blaisee]

Yep. Luke Hodge doesn't have X Factor. And he's no mid. But I'd still probably be able to find a spot for him in our side.

I couldn't disagree with this comment more

Luke hodge has no xfactor ? And can't play as a genuine mid ?

You must be talking about someone else because a fit hodge is all that and more

 

[Wacky Tiger]

@SamLandsberger: A mountain of home-grown talent available, but Port will tonight meet a star Vic kid at his house. Most likely just as a back-up for pick 7.

Wines?

Doesn't sound like they're picking Grundy

Surely the Dogs wouldnt go Menzel and Stringer

 

[Riskingheadandshin]

gerard healy stated on 3aw tonight according to whispers that gws have already told whitfield plowman and orourke they will be picked 1 2 and 3 in the draft interesting hey

Not sure what you're getting at guru...
But that would shuffle the deck a bit, maybe Toumpas is the slider? Mcrea? Grundy?

 

[Damo80]

I couldn't disagree with this comment more

Luke hodge has no xfactor ? And can't play as a genuine mid ?

You must be talking about someone else because a fit hodge is all that and more

I think that was the point he was making... Likening the way Vlastuin goes about it to Hodge, for those saying because he doesn't have electric pace, he doesn't have X factor. That was my take on it, anyway

 

[MR]

Not sure what you're getting at guru...
But that would shuffle the deck a bit, maybe Toumpas is the slider? Mcrea? Grundy?

Toumpas won't get past the Dees unfortunately. If Vlastuin is taken by Port at 7, then I'm pretty sure that Wines will be a Tiger. Grundy pick 14 to GWS is likely. Macrae to the Blues is something I've heard too.

 

[Ramper]

For those concerned about taking Vlastuin and just what he brings to the table.

TAC Stats:
10 games
112 kicks(61% efficiency) 70 handballs(63% efficiency) 44 marks 6CM 65 tackles 50 handball receives
Averages: 11.2 kicks 7 handballs 18.2 disposals 61% efficiency 4.4 marks 6.5 tackles 5 handball receives.

Handy numbers for someone who played HBF most of the year and was carrying an injury as well.
His 2 best games for the year were a 30 disposal 8 marks 4 tackles 1.2 game against Geelong and a 29 disposal 9 marks 12 tackles 2 goal effort against Gippsland. Reckon that puts to rest that he has no star factor.

Do handy numbers justify a no 9 selection at the national draft. 61% kicking efficiency at TAC level is nothing to write home about, neither is 63% handball efficiency. If hes only getting 61% average efficiency at TAC level whats gonna happen at AFL level? Will it go down to say 50% or lower and do you consider it a good efficiency level. Personally I dont have anything against Vlastuin or Lonergan, I believe both could become very good players but at 9 we should get a classy player someone who exudes class like Sam Mayes for example.

 

[Rich01]

I couldn't disagree with this comment more

Luke hodge has no xfactor ? And can't play as a genuine mid ?
You must be talking about someone else because a fit hodge is all that and more

What is your definition of X Factor? To me, it's Buddy's speed and evasiveness, Cyril's ability to evade tackles and read the play and Cotchin and Ablett's poise.

Hodge is a hard at it backline general that reads the play extremely well off half back.
He plays back with stints in the middle, but is most damaging reading the play in the back 50.
He does not play predominently midfield. Don't think he ever had the endurance to be a genuine mid.
Sam Mitchell, Chris Judd and Lenny Hayes play predominently midfield. They have consistent ball winning ability and the endurance for the role.
Hodge can read play well and is the general down back. He doesn't have elite leg speed, is a good kick and above average mark overhead. His strengths are reading the play and his hardness at the ball - he's the best in the AFL in his position, and that ain't as a mid.

 

[Ramper]

Toumpas won't get past the Dees unfortunately. If Vlastuin is taken by Port at 7, then I'm pretty sure that Wines will be a Tiger. Grundy pick 14 to GWS is likely. Macrae to the Blues is something I've heard too.

Wines is another one paced player that would just add to our list of such players. I wouldnt pick him either.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Toumpas won't get past the Dees unfortunately. If Vlastuin is taken by Port at 7, then I'm pretty sure that Wines will be a Tiger. Grundy pick 14 to GWS is likely. Macrae to the Blues is something I've heard too.

Oh i hadnt even thought it could be Vlastuin Atleast we are starting to hear some rumors.

 

[UpTheGuts]

So if no Vlastuin available, surely those advocating him would be ok with Grundy?

Reckon Lions could take Wines

 

[Wacky Tiger]

So if no Vlastuin available, surely those advocating him would be ok with Grundy?

Reckon Lions could take Wines

Oh the possibilities. Na then they will want Macrae

 

[guruisatiger]

Not sure what you're getting at guru...
But that would shuffle the deck a bit, maybe Toumpas is the slider? Mcrea? Grundy?

what im getting at is that is the rumour according to healys main source whispers who is usually very accurate certainly will shuffle the deck chairs which is good