NFL 2012 NFL Draft - Discussion

[exe ex machina]

Previous thread here

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Here's something to chew on...

Also, a PFT article on it.

Analysis of most winningest teams versus how many All-Pros they've drafted

The New England Patriots and Cleveland's old friend, Bill Belichick, find more stars through the NFL Draft than any other team

Fifteen AP All-Pros from 2002-11, excluding special-teams players, were drafted by the Patriots since quarterback Rich Gannon in 1987, dating back to before Belichick was the coach. Not surprisingly, the Patriots have won more games than any other team over the last 10 seasons.

Conversely, the Browns have found the fewest All-Pros in the draft -- they were absent from the draft from 1996-98 -- and own the NFL's second-worst record over the last decade.

Excluding undrafted and special-teams players, 232 different draftees since Jerry Rice in 1986 became an All-Pro at least once over the last 10 seasons.

This will come as no shock, but a team's ability to find eventual All-Pros in the draft and its winning percentage is no coincidence.

The chart below shows the number of All-Pros and the team originally drafting each.

 

[exe ex machina]

Nice article by PFT...

A look back before the NFL draft got big

The NFL draft has become such an overblown three-day television event that it’s a bit jarring — and hilarious — to go back and look at the low-budget production that was the 1981 NFL draft.

ESPN televised the draft way back then, when it took place at a small hotel ballroom, not Radio City Music Hall. We hear the names of great players like Giants draft pick Lawrence Taylor and 49ers draft pick Ronnie Lott, but back then the draft was, in the words of sports media critic Ed Sherman, a basement-like amateur production.

About 40 minutes of that 1981 draft broadcast are available in four 10-minute YouTube videos, and they’re fun to watch for football fans who want to take a stroll down memory lane.

Part 1 shows NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle announcing George Rogers as the first overall pick and then awkwardly ceding the podium to Rogers, who looks baffled that he’s actually been brought to New York to be there in person. (This year 26 players will attend the draft; that year Rogers was the only one.)

In Part 2, you’ll get a good look at how cheesy the graphics were and how primitive the process of compiling information was. No computers are seen anywhere, and Paul Zimmerman of Sports Illustrated, who played the role of draft analyst in those pre-Mel Kiper days, has a pile of papers in front of him and looks more interested in filling out his charts than he is in talking to studio host George Grande.

In Part 3, Howard Cosell is brought on to give his thoughts, and he blasts the draft as “the most overrated, over-propagandized annual event in American Sport.” If that’s how Cosell thought about the minor event the draft was then, he would have been beside himself if he had lived to see the spectacle the draft has become now.

Part 4 shows that Rozelle — who is always viewed as a visionary in understanding the role football could play on television — had absolutely no idea how to explain a draft trade to a television audience. Rozelle stumbled over himself repeatedly while explaining which picks were traded, and generally looked uncomfortable throughout. Rozelle was reportedly surprised when he learned that anyone actually thought the draft was worth televising.

What’s really striking (aside from all the mustaches) is the lack of information in the pre-information age: In 2012 we’re accustomed to watching both ESPN and NFL Network deploy an army of reporters who bring inside information from teams’ draft rooms, and to having all the information we could ask for about every player available online. In 1981 what passes as inside information is laughable: At one point ESPN brought an analyst on to talk about the Dolphins’ draft decision, and this is his entire report about why the Dolphins would draft a running back: “I read somewhere that Miami has a halfback who’s had certain personal problems and wants to be traded or whatever.”

From Chris Berman doing an interview in a restaurant to the Giants’ punter being brought in to say what he thinks about having Taylor as a new teammate, watching the 1981 draft is a study in seeing just how much the NFL has changed. Undoubtedly for the better.

First televised NFL draft in 1981...

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[exe ex machina]

Lol @ Rozelle, after announcing pick #3, lighting up a cigarette and sitting there on the stage puffing away.

 

[exe ex machina]

Very interesting interview with Howard Cossell in the third video. Quite amazing some of the stuff he says.

 

[Dagless]

Don't really take the All Pro tally THAT seriously when the likes of Devin McCourty is responsible for one of those spots...

 

[Sven]

mixing it up...

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four more sleeps!!!

 

[Sticks_Of_Fury]

Does anyone know how long the first round of the draft goes for?

 

[Sven]

Then late press coming out of Minnesota is that Claiborne is firming as their choice at #3.

This talk all could be a smoke screen of course, and their is a rumour ciculating that Tampa may be interested in moving up to #3 (the move would likely cost them their second round pick #36 overall).

 

[superfreak]

We won't trade up. We will only trade down IMO.

 

[catters078]

Will Miami have to trade up to 3 or 4 to get Tannehill? or is is safe for them at 8?

if Minny pull of a deal with Miami and slide down to pick 8, they still may get Kalil (worst case scenario a dynamite weapon in blackmon or floyd).

Could be a worthy cause to stir the pot and gauge Kansas' interest in pick 3 to scare miami into a trade.

 

[exe ex machina]

A lot of it is 11th hour smoke screens.

 

[Sven]

A lot of it is 11th hour smoke screens.

The reality is that most of the teams at the top of the draft have multiple holes and would benefit from trading down to get extra picks. The problem is that there are very few teams wanting to trade up because the talent pool becomes very even after the first 5-6 picks.

Teams like the Vikings, Browns, and Bucs are all trying to get another interested in certain players to make them pull the trigger on a trade. Most of these scenarios will never eventuate.

For example there is talk of Miami trading up for Tannehill. IMO the Dolphins are reaching if they grab Tannehill at #8 and moving up would make the pick even worse from a value perspective. Tannehill is probably at least a season, maybe two away from being an NFL starter. That kind of scenario makes him a solid second round pick, not a high first rounder. I'm not saying Tannehill won't go high, because the number of potential franchise QBs in the draft is very limited, but I think Miami won't get any production of of Tannehill for quite a while and that is a waste of a high 1st round pick and they don't want to make the pick any worse by trading away picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Will Miami have to trade up to 3 or 4 to get Tannehill? or is is safe for them at 8?

if Minny pull of a deal with Miami and slide down to pick 8, they still may get Kalil (worst case scenario a dynamite weapon in blackmon or floyd).

Could be a worthy cause to stir the pot and gauge Kansas' interest in pick 3 to scare miami into a trade.

They could probably trade with the Bucs and grab him at 36.
Just saying...

 

[GreyWind]

Can't wait for the draft. Just hoping that the Packers can pick up a good pass rush guy.

Also looking forward to seeing who's stock plummets or rises and if there are any left-field selections.

 

[exe ex machina]

Spot on assessment sven

 

[catters078]

Can't wait for the draft. Just hoping that the Packers can pick up a good pass rush guy.

Also looking forward to seeing who's stock plummets or rises and if there are any left-field selections.

I think the best pass rush options at that pick are Nick Perry, Andre Branch or Courtney Upshaw. One of those will be available, so when the packs pick comes along unless they have a player on their board they are drooling over and go left field with, i think there is a good chance one of those guys are the picks.

Im actually hoping San diego trade down 4-5 spots and try to get another 2nd round pick.

I think you could get a similair talent with pick 23 or 24 than you could at 18.

 

[Sven]

Can't wait for the draft. Just hoping that the Packers can pick up a good pass rush guy.

Also looking forward to seeing who's stock plummets or rises and if there are any left-field selections.

With pick 28, I have a feeling that the Packers will, yet again, get a major steal in the first round. They're in that ideal spot where someone will be falling down the board and straight into the Packers laps. It wouldn't surprise me if the player wasn't even a major need. Just think Aaron Rodgers (2005 pick 25) and Clay Matthews (2009 Pick 26)

 

[Shade]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...might-be-the-most-overrated-guy-in-the-draft/

I found this interesting do you think Fleener is overrated ?

 

[Dirty Bird]

Left field?
Pass Rush?

Probably Shea McClellin is the only one.
A little raw having made the jump from DE to OLB at the Senior bowl, but he's done well, he has the size, the speed, and he's better than most on one on one at the line.

I for one would start considering him around pick 16, but probably wouldn't pull the trigger untill pick 27. No chance in hell I'd let him slip past 31 though.

 

[Sven]

Here are 10 Questions I have put together for Round One of the draft

1. Apart from the Redskins which team will trade up in the 1st round?
2. Who is likely to trade down?
3. Will any teams miss their pick?
4. Offence or Defence for the most picks?
5. How many WRs will be taken?
6. How many OL will be taken?
7. Will Alshon Jeffery go in the 1st round?
8. Will Janoris Jenkins go in the 1st round?
9. Who will be the first DL taken?
10. Will the Redskins completely stuff up and end up drafting Robert Griffin OT Baylor at #2?

My answers

1. Houston trades up to 22 and Vikings to 31 (from the 2nd round)
2. Cleveland and Patriots both trade down
3. Yes - Bengals pick 21
4. Defence 18-14
5. 4
6. 6
7. No
8. Yes
9. DT Fletcher Cox
10. I hope not!

 

[aussiedude]

Does anyone know how long the first round of the draft goes for?

about 3 hours, the whole first day is the first round. day 2 is rounds two and three, and day 3 is rounds four through 7. with a smaller clock on every round.

 

[Sven]

Theoretically round one could go for over 5 hours (32 x 10 minutes = 5 hours 20 minutes), but this is hghly unlikely. As stated above 3 hours is closer to the mark.

Here are the time limits by round

Round 1 - 10 minutes
Round 2 - 7 minutes
Round 3 to 7 - 5 minutes

 

[GreyWind]

1. Apart from the Redskins which team will trade up in the 1st round? Rams with pick 7 in round 2
2. Who is likely to trade down? New England with pick 31
3. Will any teams miss their pick? No
4. Offence or Defence for the most picks? Defence (19-13)
5. How many WRs will be taken? 5
6. How many OL will be taken? 5
7. Will Alshon Jeffery go in the 1st round? No
8. Will Janoris Jenkins go in the 1st round? No
9. Who will be the first DL taken? Fletcher Cox, DT
10. Will the Redskins completely stuff up and end up drafting Robert Griffin OT Baylor at #2?Yes.

 

[exe ex machina]

Here are 10 Questions I have put together for Round One of the draft

1. Apart from the Redskins which team will trade up in the 1st round?.....eagles, browns back into 1st, niners up, raiders maybe, ravens and bears maybe.


2. Who is likely to trade down?....bengals, browns, patriots, cowboys, dolphins, Vikings, Steelers, chiefs.


3. Will any teams miss their pick?....no.


4. Offence or Defence for the most picks?....even split.


5. How many WRs will be taken?....three.


6. How many OL will be taken?....five or six.


7. Will Alshon Jeffery go in the 1st round?....no.


8. Will Janoris Jenkins go in the 1st round?....no.


9. Who will be the first DL taken?....fletcher cox or whitney mercilus (spelling?)


10. Will the Redskins completely stuff up and end up drafting Robert Griffin OT Baylor at #2?....no.

 

[catters078]

1. Apart from the Redskins which team will trade up in the 1st round? Miami
2. Who is likely to trade down? Minnesota...maybe buffalo
3. Will any teams miss their pick? no
4. Offence or Defence for the most picks?
5. How many WRs will be taken?4
6. How many OL will be taken? 6
7. Will Alshon Jeffery go in the 1st round? no
8. Will Janoris Jenkins go in the 1st round? no
9. Who will be the first DL taken? Fletcher Cox
10. Will the Redskins completely stuff up and end up drafting Robert Griffin OT Baylor at #2? Hopefully