List Mgmt. 2013 Draft Discussion

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A cute local girl is a cure for homesickness.

 

[fronkalicious]

Ok, I'm getting waaaaaay too excited about aish. If the scouting reports are accurate (and they're all consistent so there's no reason to suggest otherwise), he is EXACTLY what our list needs.

Every report has suggested he's a player with time, class, poise, great awareness, excellent decision making, footy smarts, wonderful skills off both sides and good speed. No character issues, is obviously a hard worker and given he's played against men since he's 16, he obviously handles the physical stuff ok. Am I missing something here or is this guy the perfect compliment to our midfield core?

 

[Dav1d]

I don't understand why GWS would need another midfielder, I sort of hope they take Boyd & Scharenberg

Leaving Billings, Aish & Kelly

Still not convinced Billings can make it as a midfielder, some say the same about Sam Mayes but I saw Mayes play a LOT more midfield then Billings

 

[doggies ftw]

Ok, I'm getting waaaaaay too excited about aish. If the scouting reports are accurate (and they're all consistent so there's no reason to suggest otherwise), he is EXACTLY what our list needs.

Every report has suggested he's a player with time, class, poise, great awareness, excellent decision making, footy smarts, wonderful skills off both sides and good speed. No character issues, is obviously a hard worker and given he's played against men since he's 16, he obviously handles the physical stuff ok. Am I missing something here or is this guy the perfect compliment to our midfield core?

Agree fronks, think he is absolutely perfect for us. He also has two of the best in the business in Coons and Griffen to learn off and he could model himself on them two. Hoping like hell he makes it to 4 but I still think St Kilda would be mad not to take him.

Also like the sound of this guy - http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-29/fuller-kept-under-wraps

I wonder if were interested? Wouldn't be surprised if we were. Fits our needs and should be able to slot in straight away, could do a lot worse if he is available at 60 I reckon.

 

[Wizard17]

Still not convinced Billings can make it as a midfielder, some say the same about Sam Mayes but I saw Mayes play a LOT more midfield then Billings

If this is the case then Billings will not go in the Top 5 picks, he'll go 5-10. St Kilda will not pass on Aish and as for what people are saying about GWS having loads of mids didn't they just lose Taylor Adams? Still think the draft will go

GWS= Boyd
GWS= Kelly
Stk= Aish
WB= ??? (One of KK or Sharenberg)

but I hope I'm wrong, so very, very wrong...

 

[Dav1d]

I think Aish or Kelly would be smart picks

I've seen Kelly on his opposite side and he is pretty solid

I'd rather Aish just that bit more though because he is the type of player who doesn't need
30 disposals to have an impact, he can have 13-15 disposals and destroy teams if he ever reaches his full potential

 

[Dav1d]

If this is the case then Billings will not go in the Top 5 picks, he'll go 5-10. St Kilda will not pass on Aish and as for what people are saying about GWS having loads of mids didn't they just lose Taylor Adams? Still think the draft will go

GWS= Boyd
GWS= Kelly
Stk= Aish
WB= ??? (One of KK or Sharenberg)

but I hope I'm wrong, so very, very wrong...

I think GWS should pick Boyd & Billings or Scharenberg,
Boyd/Patton/Cameron/Billings + whoever else they have

Think they can do that to, because was heaps surprised they picked up Plowman

 

[Wizard17]

I think GWS should pick Boyd & Billings or Scharenberg,
Boyd/Patton/Cameron/Billings + whoever else they have

Think they can do that to, because was heaps surprised they picked up Plowman

Hope you are right because they have not made the best choices with there top end picks and then the talent comes down to us.

Aish & Sicily are my favorites at the moment if we get those two I'll be really happy (though it is unlikely), Ayden Kennedy as a DFA maybe?

 

[Dav1d]

Hope you are right because they have not made the best choices with there top end picks and then the talent comes down to us.

Aish & Sicily are my favorites at the moment if we get those two I'll be really happy (though it is unlikely), Ayden Kennedy as a DFA maybe?

What role would Ayden Kennedy play? I think Sicily might go around the mid to late second round

and think we'll end up with Aish, Kelly, Billings or Scharenberg & someone we're already linked to
don't think it'll be an exciting ND but should we get Aish, that would be pretty amazing

 

[Roobound]

Sorry to intrude but for what its worth by all accounts the Bulldogs have visited the Kolodjashnij family at least twice and are keen to secure both brothers in the up coming draft.

 

[timtamWB]

Sorry to intrude but for what its worth by all accounts the Bulldogs have visited the Kolodjashnij family at least twice and are keen to secure both brothers in the up coming draft.

I think it will depend on what picks are taken before us. I'd be happy with KK at 4 (especially because Clayton is keen on him ) and JK at 60. Sicily at 42, and that's a good draft.

 

[doggies ftw]

I think it will depend on what picks are taken before us. I'd be happy with KK at 4 (especially because Clayton is keen on him ) and JK at 60. Sicily at 42, and that's a good draft.

Clayton is keen on him?! must. not. draft. Kolodjashnij.

Seriously though I'd love the Kolodjashnij brothers, JJ and Kade running off HB would be that good. But I don't think I would want to take Kade over one of Aish, Billings or Kelly. Will back the club in though if they do, and I must admit he is perfect for us as well, and Jake would fit in very nicely down back too.

 

[timtamWB]

Clayton is keen on him?! must. not. draft. Kolodjashnij.

Seriously though I'd love the Kolodjashnij brothers, JJ and Kade running off HB would be that good. But I don't think I would want to take Kade over one of Aish, Billings or Kelly. Will back the club in though if they do, and I must admit he is perfect for us as well, and Jake would fit in very nicely down back too.

I want him because he looks like a gun, and Clayton wants him, and I want to take him before Clayton can

I can see us developing Jake as a Morris type, so we have that lockdown defender, and then like you said JJ and Kade off HB, amazing.

I would prefer Aish to KK, 50/50 on Billings but I think KK fits our team better, and I still just don't rate Kelly that much and don't want him.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I'd take KK over Billings ten times out of ten, but I'd probably take both Aish and Kelly over KK. If both of those are gone by pick 4, I wouldn't hesitate to call out his name (I just hope we've brushed up on Ukrainian - I think - pronunciation!). I don't like him off half back though.

As for JK - love him. Would give us a viable option post-Morris and really cement our defensive structures. Great pick and one I've hoped we were interested in for a long time.

 

[doggies ftw]

I want him because he looks like a gun, and Clayton wants him, and I want to take him before Clayton can

I can see us developing Jake as a Morris type, so we have that lockdown defender, and then like you said JJ and Kade off HB, amazing.

I would prefer Aish to KK, 50/50 on Billings but I think KK fits our team better, and I still just don't rate Kelly that much and don't want him.

Clayton loves his speculative skinny top 5 draft picks though

I like JK as the third tall, obviously not as good defensively as Morris but is quite a good rebounder as well which you want from your third tall in the modern era. Only problem I see with drafting JK is that we already have Young in that position and then next year we will most likely be getting Cordy who would also probably be playing that position (unless he grows a bit I guess which is quite possible) and you cant fit them all in. I really like the sound of Aaron Christensen and I think he fits our needs better so would probably prefer him at 60.

I'd prefer Aish and Kelly to him, and yeah probably 50/50 on Billings too, like them both a lot.

 

[doggies ftw]

I'd take KK over Billings ten times out of ten, but I'd probably take both Aish and Kelly over KK. If both of those are gone by pick 4, I wouldn't hesitate to call out his name (I just hope we've brushed up on Ukrainian - I think - pronunciation!). I don't like him off half back though.

As for JK - love him. Would give us a viable option post-Morris and really cement our defensive structures. Great pick and one I've hoped we were interested in for a long time.

Not a fan of Billings Dannn? Also why don't you like him off half back? I know if all goes well we'd probably want him to play as a midfielder but I think for at least the early part of his career he could be a weapon off half back, and would go great with JJ providing us with a shit load of rebound

I like JK too but do you think he'd even be there at 60? Seems like he has too much potential to be around that late in shallow draft, I know you don't like Young playing on talls but do you think we'd be able to fit them both in, and also Cordy next year?

 

[GrandBlue]

I sense a bit of a dilemma.

Pretty sure neither of St.Kilda or GWS are into Aish- I'm confident St.Kilda will choose Billings if Kelly isn't available, so I think there's a huge possibility Aish will be available for us to pick, and I don't think we'll take him, as he doesn't seem like a Macca style player, lacks versatility and there's the supposed homesickness rumor.

I think it's either Billings, Scharenberg or Kolodjanshnij at pick 4, with the latter now being the favourite (assuming we really did meet with his family).

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

I don't know why everyones crying out for a next Morris when we already have Mick Talia.

 

[timtamWB]

I don't know why everyones crying out for a next Morris when we already have Mick Talia.

Talia can't go with the smalls like Morris can.

 

[Reptilia]

I'd take KK over Billings ten times out of ten, but I'd probably take both Aish and Kelly over KK. If both of those are gone by pick 4, I wouldn't hesitate to call out his name (I just hope we've brushed up on Ukrainian - I think - pronunciation!). I don't like him off half back though.

As for JK - love him. Would give us a viable option post-Morris and really cement our defensive structures. Great pick and one I've hoped we were interested in for a long time.

If the top three went:
1.boyd
2.kelly
3.aish

What puts him ahead of Billings/Bontempelli/etc?

I dont disagree one way or the other.. you just seem to be more of a draft follower than me so I am curious to see your reasons as I probably dont take everything into account that you do and only really this year i've taken a keener interest.

Im guessing with Billings its that we don't know if he can transition into the midfield.

thanks!

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Not a fan of Billings Dannn? Also why don't you like him off half back? I know if all goes well we'd probably want him to play as a midfielder but I think for at least the early part of his career he could be a weapon off half back, and would go great with JJ providing us with a shit load of rebound

I like JK too but do you think he'd even be there at 60? Seems like he has too much potential to be around that late in shallow draft, I know you don't like Young playing on talls but do you think we'd be able to fit them both in, and also Cordy next year?

KK's shown much more in the midfield than Billings has, and I'm a little concerned about some of his flaws as well.

KK was regarded as a 10-15ish pick off half back. As soon as he started playing on the wing, he rocketed up into top five calculations almost immediately, which tells a story in itself. He's not great one on one and really hates to get forced into those situations. If you isolate him on an opponent (which teams will do at AFL level) and force him to defend he's not great. On a wing he isn't forced to defend quite so often and he's much better. It's something he can work on for sure but long term he's absolutely a wingman.

The draft after 30 is completely unpredictable (an article on the AFL website today sums it up pretty well imo) so it's hard to know. As I've said numerous times now though, I don't think we'll use pick 60 and think this may be more of a pick 42 conversation. His problem is that he isn't strong enough one on one to take the top forwards and will likely find his ceiling as a third tall, so some don't rate him very highly because of that. I personally think that, while you shouldn't really say, "Hey, I'm going looking for a third tall defender!" he will play it to a high level in the AFL, and, noting that I don't rate the back end of the draft, think he's a worthwhile selection.

We shouldn't draft based on who we might get or who might develop into reasonable options for us. I maintain that Young is better loose but even if he does come on as a third key defensive pillar, we still need depth in that area. Cordy may not even get drafted - and for all we know at this stage he could transition into the forward line or midfield; we don't even know what his best position is really.

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

Talia can't go with the smalls like Morris can.

What and JK will?

 

[doggies ftw]

I don't know why everyones crying out for a next Morris when we already have Mick Talia.

Talias more your perfect CHB IMO. I reckon the Roughy, Talia, Morris 3 tall set up down back is just about perfect structure wise. Roughy the general who plays on the gorillas and takes pack marks at will, Talia the athletic CHB who can shutdown just about anyone but also racks up a fair bit of the ball and Morris the 3rd tall who can play on whoever you need him to play on and shut them down, in a perfect world they are also good rebounders. So IMO we do need to replace Morris still.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

If the top three went:
1.boyd
2.kelly
3.aish

What puts him ahead of Billings/Bontempelli/etc?

I dont disagree one way or the other.. you just seem to be more of a draft follower than me so I am curious to see your reasons as I probably dont take everything into account that you do and only really this year i've taken a keener interest.

Im guessing with Billings its that we don't know if he can transition into the midfield.

thanks!

I've done a really detailed post on Billings' flaws somewhere in this thread; it shouldn't be too hard to search for. Can't be bothered typing it all out again, haha.

Bontempelli just really hasn't shown much, especially in big games. He could be one of the best in the draft, but he could also be one of the biggest flops of the draft. It's a risk a side like Collingwood can and should take - but not for us.

If you're still interested I'll type up a more detailed answer when I get a chance.

 

[Reptilia]

I've done a really detailed post on Billings' flaws somewhere in this thread; it shouldn't be too hard to search for. Can't be bothered typing it all out again, haha.

Bontempelli just really hasn't shown much, especially in big games. He could be one of the best in the draft, but he could also be one of the biggest flops of the draft. It's a risk a side like Collingwood can and should take - but not for us.

If you're still interested I'll type up a more detailed answer when I get a chance.

Nah that is okay. So would you say that KK has played well in big games?