List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion Part II

[tigs2010]

Bloody Cockatoo - I mentioned him as a player i would like on page 69 and now he goes out and plucks a pearler :-(

I was hoping for a 3rd/4th round and possibly even rookie but now will goe 2nd for sure

We wouldn't take a player like him anyway so doesn't matter lol

 

[THE_GUN]

We wouldn't take a player like him anyway so doesn't matter lol

Yeah Francis doesnt rate these boys

 

[Tigerbob]

We wouldn't take a player like him anyway so doesn't matter lol

Isn't that disappointing.....

 

[tigs2010]

Yeah Francis doesnt rate these boys

The White Richmond Policy is still in full-swing...

 

[Stylo]

It's a pretty good draft for addressing our main weakness (outside pace). Options at every selection - Pickett, Weller, Ahern, Laverde at 1st, Garlett, Menadue, Cockatoo etc in later rounds. Hopefully we're looking at trading into the draft for this reason.

 

[Nerflardio2424]

Yeah Francis doesnt rate these boys

Looked like dusty they way he stood up in tackles today

 

[Calcium Man]

Yeah Francis doesnt rate these boys

FJ or Dimma

 

[THE_GUN]

FJ or Dimma

Definately FJ

He thinks every indigenous kid is related to Jon

 

[richoatthedisco]

What a load of horse shit.

 

[Mr Magic]

Bloody Cockatoo - I mentioned him as a player i would like on page 69 and now he goes out and plucks a pearler :-(

I was hoping for a 3rd/4th round and possibly even rookie but now will goe 2nd for sure

Nightmare in his phantom had him 188cm and isn't too light either. Could be quite a prospect! I haven't seen the game but it sounds like your scouting well above average again!

 

[Tango67]

Beware flashy indigenous players who star in the second division....

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Beware flashy indigenous players who star in the second division....

Beware white plodders in any division who never star at all..........

 

[Put a Lids on it]

I just hope FJ hasn't lost his marbles.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

I just hope FJ hasn't lost his marbles.

We need Luke Williams to take over ASAP!

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

We need Luke Williams to take over ASAP!

He's having a massive say don't worry.

 

[TJTIGER]

He's having a massive say don't worry.

Can you elaborate a bit more Rodney ? I'm liking the sound of that. I always felt that his arrival was part of succession planning.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Can you elaborate a bit more Rodney ? I'm liking the sound of that. I always felt that his arrival was part of succession planning.

I know he's loving the amount of input he is having.
At Carlton he was told to identify the best of particular types.
He did and then was told Na not that bloke , not that bloke, we want this bloke etc.
Why even bother having recruiting staff?
I'm not sure if it's a succession plan or not.

 

[Stitch]

Ideal situation. Trade Grigg or similar player along with #31 to GWS for #20 + #40 and then:
#12 – Jordan De Goey (VIC – Mid/Fwd)
Height: 187cm, Weight: 82kg, DOB: 15/03/1996
Profile: Strong marking midfielder/forward.

#20 - Corey Ellis (VIC – Mid/Fwd)
Height: 185cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 09/10/1996
Profile: Skillful type.

#40 - Nakia Cockatoo (NT – Mid)
Height: 188cm, Weight: 84kg, DOB: 23/10/1996
Profile: Talented midfielder.

#48 - Oscar McDonald (VIC – KPD)
Height: 196cm, Weight: 88kg, DOB: 18/03/1996
Profile: Key defender, brother of Melbourne’s Tom.

#66 – Anthony Miles (Upgrade)

Rookie Draft: best available small fwd, KPP and ruck

 

[SumTingWong]

Ideal situation. Trade Grigg or similar player along with #31 to GWS for #20 + #40 and then:
#12 – Jordan De Goey (VIC – Mid/Fwd)
Height: 187cm, Weight: 82kg, DOB: 15/03/1996
Profile: Strong marking midfielder/forward.

#20 - Corey Ellis (VIC – Mid/Fwd)
Height: 185cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 09/10/1996
Profile: Skillful type.

#40 - Nakia Cockatoo (NT – Mid)
Height: 188cm, Weight: 84kg, DOB: 23/10/1996
Profile: Talented midfielder.

#48 - Oscar McDonald (VIC – KPD)
Height: 196cm, Weight: 88kg, DOB: 18/03/1996
Profile: Key defender, brother of Melbourne’s Tom.

#66 – Anthony Miles (Upgrade)

Rookie Draft: best available small fwd, KPP and ruck

You're a player short

 

[Calcium Man]

Definately FJ

He thinks every indigenous kid is related to Jon

You mean like Troy Taylor, Relton Roberts, S.Edwards ect who he has picked since then?

It's not a directive against indigenous players (unless they are trouble off the ground but that's for all players).

 

[THE_GUN]

You mean like Troy Taylor, Relton Roberts, S.Edwards ect who he has picked since then?

It's not a directive against indigenous players (unless they are trouble off the ground but that's for all players).

Wow francis has really invested highly in the indigenous players in the last 10 years -

Edwards #26
Roberts 3rd round rookie selection
Taylor #51

Whilst both grand final teams would of probably had around 10 each in that time, We have 1 Indigenous player on our list and he didnt even know that himself until 5 years ago

 

[Mr Magic]

Ideal situation. Trade Grigg or similar player along with #31 to GWS for #20 + #40 and then:
#12 – Jordan De Goey (VIC – Mid/Fwd)
Height: 187cm, Weight: 82kg, DOB: 15/03/1996
Profile: Strong marking midfielder/forward.

#20 - Corey Ellis (VIC – Mid/Fwd)
Height: 185cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 09/10/1996
Profile: Skillful type.

#40 - Nakia Cockatoo (NT – Mid)
Height: 188cm, Weight: 84kg, DOB: 23/10/1996
Profile: Talented midfielder.

#48 - Oscar McDonald (VIC – KPD)
Height: 196cm, Weight: 88kg, DOB: 18/03/1996
Profile: Key defender, brother of Melbourne’s Tom.

#66 – Anthony Miles (Upgrade)

Rookie Draft: best available small fwd, KPP and ruck

Not a bad effort at all at face value IMO even though I am no expert to call!

 

[TigerTime3]

Re: indigenous kids

Did anyone watch the coaching special on Friday?

Did you see how the coaches 'code' every passage of play, break it down over an 8 hour review, then communicate to every player exactly what they did good and bad?

I think anyone who has trouble communicating in this type of environment would be far less able to adapt to the team and follow complex instructions. That is why remote indigenous kids should be considered with speculative picks rather than early picks.

Indigenous kids who grew up in a western environment (perhaps with 1 western parent) would be more likely to adapt to the modern AFL environment.

I'm glad we seem to understand this sad reality. Communication and complex instructions make up a huge part of the modern team. Gotta recruit team players.

 

[THE_GUN]

Re: indigenous kids

Did anyone watch the coaching special on Friday?

Did you see how the coaches 'code' every passage of play, break it down over an 8 hour review, then communicate to every player exactly what they did good and bad?

I think anyone who has trouble communicating in this type of environment would be far less able to adapt to the team and follow complex instructions. That is why remote indigenous kids should be considered with speculative picks rather than early picks.

Indigenous kids who grew up in a western environment (perhaps with 1 western parent) would be more likely to adapt to the modern AFL environment.

I'm glad we seem to understand this sad reality. Communication and complex instructions make up a huge part of the modern team. Gotta recruit team players.

Hawks have
Jed Anderson, Cyril Rioli , Shaun Burgoyne , Bradley Hill , Derick Wanganeen on their list and all these boys are doing extremely well

Swans have
Franklin , Jetta , Goodes also 2 are Chamions/Legends and Jetta whilst disappointing yesterday is a very very good footballer not to mention players like O'Loughlan who has contributed to the culture of the swans and is becoming a very respected coach

Whilst you are always going to have your Troy Taylor's occasionally But you Cant go missing out on players like Franklin,Rioli,Goodes etc because they are from west of broome or have 2 parents that are Indigenous

If they can play football and the Psyc.Character test goes well - You take them
But if you recruit players like JON and dont know if they can read until 4 years after you recruit them - What does that tell you about our recruiting
(Francis Jackson started at Richmond in 2005, JON was recruited in his 1st year and was at the club during JON time)

 

[Calcium Man]

Wow francis has really invested highly in the indigenous players in the last 10 years -

Edwards #26
Roberts 3rd round rookie selection
Taylor #51

Whilst both grand final teams would of probably had around 10 each in that time, We have 1 Indigenous player on our list and he didnt even know that himself until 5 years ago

You can also add clayton collard and Cam Petersen. But thats not the point your blaming FJ for something that no.1 is not coming from him and 2 its a chance of circumstances. If we had the picks i doubt we would have ignored Rioli, Yarran, Bennell, Martin ect...