List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Wizard17]

I know a few that look like it hopefully we nail it. #Menadue2TheDogs #Wright2TheDogs

need defenders, need midfielders, most obviously need is a key forward

can we just get one and nail it, with a star? please

 

[fronkalicious]

5. Western Bulldogs - Peter Wright, 203cm, 102kg. Please?

Pick 6. Western bulldogs - anyone but wright, McCartin, Durdin, petraca or Brayshaw.

 

[Wizard17]

Stop destroying their hope Fronky. It is the only thing they have.

Pick 6. Western bulldogs - anyone but wright, McCartin, Durdin, petraca or Brayshaw.

 

[Wizard17]

Reckon he'll good in the RW&B (it Menadue for those out of the loop)

 

[Wizard17]

Also next week finals are

North Ballarat vs Sandy

Geelong vs Dandy

 

[fronkalicious]

As much as I don't want frawley, it would be freakin hilarious if we managed to sign him to a package that was just low enough for melbourne to miss out on pick 3 compensation. Get it done I mac.

 

[VitalDread]

Peter Wright come on down.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

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Reckon he'll good in the RW&B (it Menadue for those out of the loop)

Does he benchpress raw spaghetti?

 

[Wizard17]

Hahaha. Reminds me of how Macrae was when we first drafted him. Needs to put on muscle but once he does look out.

Menadue is very Griffen like.

Does he benchpress raw spaghetti?

 

[doggies ftw]

Geez Foster is going from strength to strength, yet to see him play but from everything I've read he sounds like he will fit in perfectly. Such a dead eye too, god we need that...

Loving Menadue as well, reckon theres a chance he goes before our 2nd? Recruiters love players who stand up in finals.

I'm wanting a tall/mid combo at our first 2 picks. Whether thats e.g Duggan in the first/McKenzie in the second or Wright/Durdin in the first, Menadue in the second.

Please footy gods do the right thing for once and let Wright fall to us (goddamn that kid would be under some serious pressure though ). Wright/Menadue/Foster/Cordy sounds so ****ing delicious its not funny, it would go such a long way to fixing our holes so perfectly.

On Menadue I get that his inside work isn't a strength, but is he capable of it? Or at least shows signs and effort that he might become capable of it (like with the comparison of Griff, he too was drafted as a light bodied outside runner, not the inside beast he is now)

 

[Wizard17]

He is light bodied but he is capable of getting clearances and breaking away to set up forwards very well. Think it is his bodies lightness and he get pushed off the ball a bit just needs a few preseasons.

Geez Foster is going from strength to strength, yet to see him play but from everything I've read he sounds like he will fit in perfectly. Such a dead eye too, god we need that...

Loving Menadue as well, reckon theres a chance he goes before our 2nd? Recruiters love players who stand up in finals.

I'm wanting a tall/mid combo at our first 2 picks. Whether thats e.g Duggan in the first/McKenzie in the second or Wright/Durdin in the first, Menadue in the second.

Please footy gods do the right thing for once and let Wright fall to us (goddamn that kid would be under some serious pressure though ). Wright/Menadue/Foster/Cordy sounds so ******* delicious its not funny, it would go such a long way to fixing our holes so perfectly.

On Menadue I get that his inside work isn't a strength, but is he capable of it? Or at least shows signs and effort that he might become capable of it (like with the comparison of Griff, he too was drafted as a light bodied outside runner, not the inside beast he is now)

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Interesting. An old article from 2011.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...096382129?nk=8bae424ed8b4b943f1818a0cc475e911

 

[Some Idiot]

Hahaha. Reminds me of how Macrae was when we first drafted him. Needs to put on muscle but once he does look out.

Menadue is very Griffen like.

He's a bit like Will Hoskin Elliot when he was playing mainly midfield too.

 

[doggies ftw]

He is light bodied but he is capable of getting clearances and breaking away to set up forwards very well. Think it is his bodies lightness and he get pushed off the ball a bit just needs a few preseasons.

Sounds brilliant!

 

[igloo dweller]

He was a ruckman who could play forward well, but still he was a ruckman, we need a KPF.

you do remember paul salmon played at essendon don't you?

as a second year player, he kicked 63 goals in 13 games...in total, despite sharing time between ruck and forward, his career yielded six 40+ goal seasons, and three more of 35+ goals. 561 all up (which would be good enough to sit second all-time on our club's goal kicking list).

 

[Tommycash]

Do you guys just keep saying this stuff to try to get under my skin or something?
I might just see if the mods will let me can sticky the F/S and rookie rules until the draft season finishes ...

In short: it's highly unlikely that we could rookie Foster but if we wanted to try it we DO NOT nominate him as a F/S at the ND and then hope nobody else drafts him in the ND or PSD. Then, just before the rookie draft comes around we can just pre-list him (we sacrifice our final rookie pick) and he's ours. Other clubs can't "bid" on a F/S for the rookie draft so it has nothing to do with what round they might want to take him in the rookie draft. However it's a huge, huge risk he will end up at some other club if we tried that.

If Dalrymple & co rate him at all then we need to nominate him as a F/S selection prior to the ND. The best outcome would then be that no other club shows interest (very unlikely) and we automatically get him by sacrificing our final pick. Reality is more likely a 3rd or 4th rounder. Maybe even a second rounder if he keeps kicking bags in the finals.

Sorry DW! Thanks for clearing that up though.

 

[Godogs247]

This is how it should play out now..

Round 1,
Pick 1 - St. Kilda: Patrick McCartin (Vic Country, Full Forward)
193cm, 95kg, 19/4/96
Range: Top 3
Comparison: Taylor Walker '14
Highlights

Patrick McCartin looks to be the safest bet of all the key forwards in this crop. While he has a few question marks, his performances have been excellent over the last two years and he possesses a mix of very AFL relevant skills. He's a smart forward who times his leads well and leads to the right areas and despite being a little too bulky he's got a good burst and creates some separation. He's clean enough below the knees when both picking up and marking and has sticky hands above them being the best one grab player in the crop. He excels one on one with his read of the ball, strength and positioning all excellent. His field kicking is excellent for a key forward. He's an okay contested mark but not someone who's going to clunk pack grabs regularly.

McCartin lacks confidence when having a set shot, often trying to play on or snap and occasionally shanks the kick. It's a mental issue not a technical issue. He's also got high skinfolds which may be linked to his diabetes (which will also have to be managed at AFL level. Currently he has to come to the bench six times a game for blood checks) but nonetheless will need to be addressed over an AFL pre-season. I don't expect McCartin to drastically change as a player but more improve on what he already has.

He's probably the most ready made key forward in the crop and currently projects as a slightly higher level Taylor Walker of 2014 (when he carried the extra weight and lost some pace because of it). I don't ever see him being a genuine top tier forward but one of the better second tier ones.


Pick 2 - Melbourne: Christian Petracca (Vic Metro, Balanced MID/General FWD)
186cm, 92kg, 4/1/96
Range: Top 5
Comparison: Colin Sylvia
Highlights

Going into 2014 there were question marks over Petracca and he's answered them emphatically, doing everything he possibly could have to prove that he will be a high level AFL midfielder. He has the versatility to play as a stay at home marking forward or half forward to a high standard while also being an excellent midfielder. Despite carrying much more weight than most midfielders his age he has elite agility and evasion with an excellent sprint. He's dominant aerially, possessing an exceptional read of the ball and ability to position himself. One on one he is rarely beaten and clunks more contested marks than any other midfielder in the crop. Through the middle he's an above average accumulator with a booming kick and good vision. His ability to hit the scoreboard while playing through the middle is excellent.

While Petracca has lost weight this year he's still carrying too much 'useless' weight and needs to further work on getting down to an appropriate playing weight. His strength and power is natural so losing the excess bulk should not impact heavily upon those strengths. He also needs to improve his endurance - while it is currently at an acceptable level it isn't a strength. By foot he's capable of hitting the right areas but lacks precision at times and occasionally blindly bombs it forward instead of assessing the options with composure.

Right now there are still doubts over whether Petracca's performances are through brute strength or translateable ability. His athletic testing indicates that despite having the weight he's also got exceptional natural athleticism which will translate to AFL level. He lacks the natural touch and talent of a Dustin Martin but is a more disciplined player both on and off the field. Right now I see him as a higher level Colin Sylvia. Perhaps he is what Sylvia could have been with a better attitude and work rate as well as starting out his career at a club with a better system.





Pick 3 - Melb (Frawley will happen): Angus Brayshaw (Vic Metro, Inside leaning MID)
187cm, 86kg, 9/1/96
Range: Top 8
Style: Ollie Wines
Highlights

Wherever Brayshaw ends up the club will know they've got a long term player. Brayshaw projects as one of the safest picks available at the top end of the draft, being a high substance but low flash midfielder. He lacks real game breaking ability instead being a real component of success as opposed to a reason for it. On the inside he's hard working and powerful, reading the stoppages well and winning clearances through both power and smarts. In traffic his distribution by hand is sound and by foot he's generally a good kick under pressure off both sides, possibly having the best 'weak foot' in the draft. He's an excellent tackler who not only tackles well but in volume and is strong through the core and able to break tackles too. On the outside he's a reasonable accumulator and able to impact games more than most inside midfielders. His one on one ability both in the air and at ground level is above average.

Athletically Brayshaw isn't flash, with his top speed being quite low and despite recent improvements he still doesn't have a great burst, nor is he agile. His endurance is good without being elite and he's strong, especially through the core but in general Brayshaw's work is done through footballing ability as opposed to athleticism. By foot he's incredibly dual sided but still not a fantastic kick, only between average and good which is something he'll need to continually work on if he's to be a truly dominant midfielder.

Though he has shades of a bigger bodied Sam Mitchell I think Brayshaw is more similar to Ollie Wines but less physically imposing and perhaps slightly better by foot. He won't have as big an impact early and into his second season and may not be as accomplished a player by the end of his career but still should follow a similar career path.


Pick 4 - GWS: Peter Wright (Vic Metro, Full Forward/Second Ruck)
203cm, 102kg, 8/9/96
Range: Top 6
Style: Sam Jacobs (Ruck)
Comparison: Kurt Tippett (Forward)
Highlights

Wright is perhaps the biggest risk vs reward player in the crop. There is every chance he becomes a maligned key position bust who never looks like he's at the standard. But there's also a real chance he becomes a truly dominant and imposing forward who can chop out in the ruck. In my opinion his ceiling is the highest in the draft. He already begins with the natural head start of being 203 cm. Despite being that height he's got great acceleration and a good top speed. His agility is excellent and his turning circle relatively small. He leads to the right places, times his leads well and has the work rate to lead repeatedly. He takes the ball at the highest point, often in one grab and that coupled with his wingspan and height makes him truly imposing on the lead. If given a run at the ball he's able to steamroll packs and take huge contested grabs - he just needs to improve his consistency in this regard. 1 on 1 he's able to use his bigger body to win contests often. His set shot goalkicking is excellent, with his accuracy and distance both elite. His field kicking is also excellent as is his composure with ball in hand.

Wright can almost be considered two different players - Wright the forward and Wright the ruck. With his height he'll always be considered a ruck option and while his tapwork is reasonable he lacks something dominant through the ruck which he has when forward. He doesn't like to physically impose on the contest like many modern day ruckmen do instead preferring to remain outside the contest as a link up option - similar to Sam Jacobs except he doesn't read the play as well and doesn't impact the game enough. The worry with Wright is that he'll be labeled as a ruck due to his height and be thrown in there regularly despite the fact that it's just not something he excels in. He has a history of back injuries which needs to be considered as well. He also goes missing at times and isn't incredibly fit. At ground level he's serviceable but occasionally struggles to get down quickly and loses balance.

What Wright has that most 203 cm players don't is genuine forward ability. He shares a lot of similarities with Kurt Tippett but at the moment looks like his ceiling is even higher. The risk is there that he just doesn't develop. His TAC and championships form this year has been a little below expectations too, he hasn't truly dominated like previous elite KPFs have at this level.




Pick 5 - Brisbane: Sam Durdin (SA, Athletic and Skilled KPP Utility)
197cm, 87kg, 6/6/96
Range: Top 10
Comparison: Lachie Hansen
Highlights

Like Wright, Durdin is a real risk/reward proposition. Since injuring his thumb earlier in the season, his form has been underwhelming at every level and at the moment he just doesn't have the runs on the board. Perhaps it was because he was played out of position in the ruck and forward though. Over the last fortnight he's played two SANFL games as a key defender and done relatively well. Standing at 197cm, Durdin's footskills are exceptional. He's able to release runners with penetrating kicks and generally makes good decisions by foot both in contested and uncontested situations. His athleticism is excellent with both his speed and acceleration good and his agility and mobility excellent. His vertical leap is also excellent and at ground level he's very quick to get down and clean with his hands. He reads the ball reasonably in flight and is likely to clunk the intercept or contested mark if he's in the right position to get a suitable run and jump however his positioning is often a bit off.

The major knock on Durdin so far this year was his lack of exposed form. At every level he'd been below par and expectations. Despite his natural talent being incredible he just hadn't put it together. Of late he's played some SANFL league matches and held his own which is a real positive, indicating that he's either found that form to show himself off or just been played in the right position. Durdin isn't particularly blessed with football smarts, when forward his leads are poorly timed and to the wrong areas and he just looks a bit like a headless chook. In the ruck he's not able to accumulate like a ruck with his skills could and down back while he's able to intercept and has good footskills he doesn't get much of the ball to take advantage of that. He's also a very physically undeveloped player who'll need a good few pre-seasons in the gym to get the best out of himself.

What Durdin becomes depends entirely on where he plays. If he's pursued with as a forward I can't see him rewarding the selection he's taken with. Down back he could be a very capable #1 defender. With 10-15 kilos of extra muscle over a few pre seasons he's bound to rapidly change as a player and could become an elite pack mark not dissimilar to Jake Carlisle who can swing forward and dominate through that same ability. Right now I have him projecting as more of a Lachlan Hansen in that he's an excellent contested and intercept mark with some good distribution but forward he always looks a bit lacking. As a forward Durdin is required to create his own opportunity and possession which he struggles to do. Down back he's able to feed off his direct opponent's creativity and be led to a better situation simply by following him. I feel playing back would be best for his development not only because it suits his strengths more but it'd also allow him to learn better leading and running patterns from more advanced and smarter forwards.


Pick 6 - Western Bulldogs: Jake Lever (Vic Metro, Intercepting & Offensive 2nd/3rd Key Defender)
194cm, 86kg, 5/3/96
Range: Top 10
Comparison: Harry Taylor
Highlights

A recent growth spurt has seen Lever shoot up to 194 cm, genuine key position defender height. Despite missing the entire season with an ACL, Lever is sure to go highly. A key defender who's gifted offensively, Lever has the best intercept mark in the draft. His read of the ball is elite and he times his jumps well and takes it at the absolute highest point and best position. With an exceptional vertical leap he is rarely beaten coming across a contest. Athletically he's okay with his ability to close down leads alright and his work rate excellent. One on one he's good. Athletically as well as having an elite vertical jump he's very agile with his turning circle small and evasive movement sound. With ball in hand he runs and carries well, linking up and really contributing to the offensive transition. By foot he's effective normally without being incredibly penetrating. His leadership is also exceptional and I'd be surprised if he didn't end up an AFL captain one day.

The risk with Lever is that he's coming off an ACL. How he would have performed this year is a bit of an unknown - perhaps he would have plateuaed or declined a bit. It's also unknown how the long term effects of the ACL will effect him. Defensively he doesn't have the body to man up on the bigger KPFs and will likely always be a second or third tall down back.

Lever's not dissimilar to Harry Taylor in the way he intercepts down back but perhaps has the scope to be an even better intercept mark with his extra athleticism and leap. His footskills also project to be better than Taylor's. Defensively he's not as sound in contests and one on one and probably projects as more of a Sam Fisher in that he's capable but not exceptional.

We will have a standout swing man in Lever the outside run of Menadue tall wingman back or forward in Vickers-Willis the skills off Lonie second back in Cordy and project forward in Foster..a great draft if we could pull it off

Pick 6-Lever 194 H-B
Pick 26-Menadue-188 wingman
pick 27-(Higgins to Carlton) Vickers-Willis 190 half-back
Pick 43-Lonie-179 Class in the mould of Hrovatt
Pick 61-Cordy-193 think Hargraves
Pick 79-Foster-194 Could be anything
Pick 90-Upgrade Yong

 

[Zgope1]

Head to the draft dogs. Age profile should be competitive next year anyway. Durdin's my preferred. Then Lever. Need more talent before we start trading around it

 

[Leezorr]

I think we should attempt to trade up to 3 (to get Wright), either Melbourne or GWS. Not sure how we get it done exactly but my idea initially would be player and second round pick + 5(6), Player might be Grant, Jones, ect, if we cant get it done straight maybe trade either Grant or Jones for a pick and offer multiple picks for higher picks, ie trade 2 second rounders for a late first.

Melbourne need more players and Multiple early second rounder and pick 5 might be enough to get it done.

 

[IanW]

I think we should attempt to trade up to 3 (to get Wright), either Melbourne or GWS. Not sure how we get it done exactly but my idea initially would be player and second round pick + 5(6), Player might be Grant, Jones, ect, if we cant get it done straight maybe trade either Grant or Jones for a pick and offer multiple picks for higher picks, ie trade 2 second rounders for a late first.

Melbourne need more players and Multiple early second rounder and pick 5 might be enough to get it done.

My feeling is that deal would be a lot easier to do with Melbourne. 3 for 5+22 and steak knives is a decent deal.

 

[Wizard17]

I lost what I was writing for each player 3 times but oh well I'll write them up later.

Out (main list): Goodes, Gia, Young, Williams, Howard

6- Jake Lever (194cm KPD)
26- Connor Menadue (188cm mid)
27- Dillon Viojo-Rainbow (185cm def)
43- Toby McLean (179cm fwd/mid)
61- Zaine Cordy (192cm def)
79- Jayden Foster (194cm KPF)

Out (Rookies): Greenwood, Austin, Jong, Redpath

5: Oscar McDonald (195cm Swingman)
23: Nathan Drummond (mid) if not available one of Hislop, Grace, Hanson
41: Joe Maishman (179cm outside mid)
59: Joshua Fox (197cm fwd/ruck)

 

[Doggies7]

Are we just basing our draft position on worst case scenario with everyone saying pick #6? I know Frawley is gone but if it's Geelong or Hawks he won't be getting that 650K+ a year to push him into band 1...

 

[IanW]

Are we just basing our draft position on worst case scenario with everyone saying pick #6? I know Frawley is gone but if it's Geelong or Hawks he won't be getting that 650K+ a year to push him into band 1...

Rumour is the deal from Geelong is $2.5m over 5, which IMO is band 1 country 1 in a way 500k a year for 3 years isnt.

 

[_M_16_]

Agree with trying to trade up with Melbourne, dropping down two spots and getting a player and one of our second round picks if we get a second should be a fair value. If we can get into the top three, we will get one of McCartin, Wright or Petracca, either way it will be a win-win with any of those three

 

[Wizard17]

J Foster- 16 disposals, 9 marks (3 contested), 0 tackles, 6 goals straight

J Palmer- 16 disposals, 8 marks (1 Contested), 2 tackles, 6 goals 2

O McDonald- 11 disposals, 7 marks (3 contested), 0 tackles. Played on Peter Wright

P Wright- 8 disposals, 6 marks (2 contested), 0 tackles, 8 hitouts

D Cavka- 30 disposals, 13 marks (2 contested), 5 tackles, 5 goals straight

K Answerth- 26 disposals, 4 marks, 3 tackles, 1 goal 1

D McKenzie- 20 disposals, 4 marks, 3 tackles

T McLean- 19 disposals, 3 marks, 2 goals 2

J Maishman- 31 disposals, 8 marks, 6 tackles, 1 goal

T Miles- 22 disposals, 6 marks, 5 tackles

A Christensen- 8 disposal, 3 marks, 1 tackle, 4 goals straight

Z Cordy- 11 disposals, 4 marks, 4 tackles

P McCartin - 12 disposals, 8 marks (2 contested), 3 tackles, 2 goals 3

H Goddard - 10 disposals, 7 marks (1 contested), 1 tackle

C Menadue- 27 disposals, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 2 goals straight

D Viojo-Rainbow- 19 disposals, 4 marks, 2 tackles

L Duggan - 18 disposals, 4 marks, 4 tackles

B Payne- 9 disposals, 2 marks, 2 tackles, 2 goals 1

D Moloney- 26 disposals, 8 marks, 3 tackles

A Harnett- 24 disposals, 2 marks (1 contested), 3 tackles, 2 behinds

T Lamb- 23 disposals, 6 marks (2 contested), 6 tackles, 1 goal 1

D Howe- 23 disposals, 6 marks (1 contested), 3 tackles, 3 goals straight

N Drummond- 30 disposals, 2 marks (1 contested), 6 tackles, 1 goal 1

A Brayshaw- 19 disposals, 3 marks (1 contested), 4 tackles, 2 goals 2

N Pavlou- 16 disposals, 4 marks (1 contested), 2 tackles, 2 goals 1