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List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

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Who would you like us to select with our first round pick right now? (Wright & Durdin excluded)


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I don't rate him. 190cm but foot to shoulder he's got the height of a 185cm bloke, such a long neck which uselessly inflates his height.

Bolting to 10-15 I'd understand - I'd be offended if he went top 10 though.
Cheers for the insight mate, always appreciated

really filthy right now regarding what has taken place, hoping we get something decent
to be ripped off, I'd feel sick to my stomach
 
If we get 4 & 7, with 6 as well, and our two second rounders I am actually really excited. For what is meant to be a really deep draft we should be set. Especially seeing as we have Cordy for unders by all reports. Should be very exciting in 2-3 years time. Plus the kids will get exposure early which is nice in a way.
 
Just watching Langford's highlights again if we got him I'd attach him to Bob Murphy as a mentor kid looks like a seriously good 190cm Swingman so why not let him learn from the best in the business at that? ;)

No I pass on Langford, his marking his best asset, kicking very average.
I could wear that however I watched him closely at the Championships and his decision making was shocking.
With development it should improve however I would rank him outside top 40.
 

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What about it?

I hope we get the deals people are suggesting
but feel its a bit optimistic

would cheer me up a little, but sucks that our captain has ditched us
Woops I ****ed that up, I meant to say look out 2012 draft. As in this one will be better :P

Yeah I just want it sorted, it ****ing sucks but I'm over it, has helped a lot the way Griff has done this as I no longer want him at the club.
 
Woops I ****** that up, I meant to say look out 2012 draft. As in this one will be better :p

Yeah I just want it sorted, it ******* sucks but I'm over it, has helped a lot the way Griff has done this as I no longer want him at the club.
I hope you're right, really badly

if we don't get the draft right, will bite us on the backsides

lets all hope we get a sweet deal happening, GWS could definitely afford to as well o_O
 
I hope you're right, really badly

if we don't get the draft right, will bite us on the backsides

lets all hope we get a sweet deal happening, GWS could definitely afford to as well o_O
Yeah no doubt this is huge for us, Darymple your balls are on the line!
 

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In that case then there's a chance of us picking him up. Need to find some speed badly in this draft hopefully Menadue gets to our second.
I've seen Duggan run before and he looks pretty fast to me, he doesn't do it often enough during a game though

but I think he definitely could

Heard Menadue also supports us, I don't know
kind of hard to take it all in
 
Yeah the reason I was asking about how far Langford could bolt this year bow Griff is going I am quite concerned about us being to one paced. I don't know what Duggan ran in the sprints but he does not look slow. Need to look at the sprint results for the combine.
I've seen Duggan run before and he looks pretty fast to me, he doesn't do it often enough during a game though

but I think he definitely could

Heard Menadue also supports us, I don't know
kind of hard to take it all in
 
Yeah the reason I was asking about how far Langford could bolt this year bow Griff is going I am quite concerned about us being to one paced. I don't know what Duggan ran in the sprints but he does not look slow. Need to look at the sprint results for the combine.
Langford isn't as composed as what Bontempelli is or even Duggan is

If you want speed, we have a few options because fortunately & unfortunately, we have a tonne of picks..
 
Yeah it is going to be an interesting draft and trade period. Now we look to need more of nearly everything unfortunately :(
Langford isn't as composed as what Bontempelli is or even Duggan is

If you want speed, we have a few options because fortunately & unfortunately, we have a tonne of picks..
 
Take 4 & 7 for the traitorous campaigner, use all three inside the top 10 for Wright, Lever/Durdin and Weller/Laverde/Pickett.

Throw in the hope of getting McKenzie to slide and we've got a serious spine to build our already promising midfield around.
 
I think we should offer Hawthorn pick 27 for Schoenmakers. We need a KPP and it's a better option than getting Lonergan from Geelong, who we would need to pay more money. Schoenmakers will be 24 at the start of next season, compared to Lonergan whose 30.
 

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Les's make this the good news thread.

Assuming we get picks 4 + 7, tell me of the wonderful options that wait us at pick7.
Well you'd hope we'd go for a midfielder
Could end up with two talls for 4 & 6
& a midfielder if we ended up with 7, which GWS don't yet have
 
So who are the best mids likely to be available at 7?

Just going to quote Knightmare's summaries because they'll give you a better idea than I ever could, but here's who I'd like to add.

10. Jarrod Pickett (WA – Mid)Height:179cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 18/08/1996
Recruited from: South Fremantle
Draft range: 5-20
Best position/role: Midfield - outside
Strengths: Speed – No one in this draft has the speed of Pickett. He tests at 2.8 seconds over 20m but the critical thing with Pickett is he uses that speed in game and often with his ability to take on the game with ball in hand special as something he does frequently every game. Linebreaking ability and tendency to take on the game every time the opportunity is there – With Pickett while he has the elite speed the critical thing is he uses it in game better than just about anyone in the country. He has a rare ability to take on and inject energy into the game and break the lines and do it frequently and he just has that natural sense for when he can take advantage of his linebreaking gift and use it in game. He is incredibly hard to tackle with his balance and agility allowing him to dodge and weave past guys and continue running. I really enjoy his tendency after a mark or whenever the opportunity is there to work out quickly that he has the opportunity and then he will take off generating some instant offense and meaningful drive through his meaningful ability to break the lines at speed rather than just going back behind the mark and moving the ball forward slowly which does not generate as many meaningful scoring opportunities as what Pickett does. Pickett really understands he can impact games with his linebreaking ability and he sums up the right opportunities to use it and he will break the lines for 20m, 30m, 40m, 50m, 60m and will go as long as you give him the space in front of him to run into.
Ability to hit the scoreboard and use the footy – Pickett as an outside type can really hit the scoreboard in bunches on a wing and is more than capable given his junior goal scoring totals in WA of averaging more than a goal a game at AFL level. He is a very good finisher around goal, knowing where the goals are and is a significant threat running into an open goal and on the run into the forward 50. As a ball user Pickett is very clean by both hand and foot and hits his targets consistently and overall is an above average ball user. He is also an excellent kick on the move at speed and even probably a slightly better ball user on the move than he is after a mark seeming to find some better targets while he is on the move. Pickett can at times make the occasional decision making error, mostly this seems to be after a mark and he can also similarly after a mark also lack the vision to find some better placed targets tending to go long down the line on most occasions but with ball in hand in general play is an excellent decision maker looking cool and composed with ball in hand and even when under pressure or getting tackled finds a way to dispose of the ball cleanly. Ability to find and win the footy – Often with the most damaging outside types it is rare that they can find the footy in bunches and while Pickett is not an elite accumulator he is still a good accumulator for an outside type which is really critical and greatly adds to his value because he is someone where he will do great damage with his touches and through finding it a lot also will break the lines with frequency rather than only occasionally which is what makes him a real top quality prospect in my mind. He is also not allergic to winning the contested footy as many similar outside linebreakers are and while he will remain predominantly outside, winning the contested footy is something he can still at times do for an outside type. These two signs for me are the big factors when you add that to his offensive gifts and linebreaking ability which suggests to me he has a big future ahead of him at AFL level because you know he will find enough of it to be relevant and do damage and break games open often. Ability overhead and at ground level – Pickett has strong hands overhead and seems to consistently take his marks cleanly. He also has the cleanness at ground level to pick up the footy, often on the move and just continue to go at speed without any need to pause. He can occasionally fumble slightly but overall he is clean and reads the bounce well, getting onto it at speed and winning the footy, reacting and reading the bounce quickly and consistently.
Senior WAFL league experience – Towards the end of the season Pickett received valuable senior WAFL league experience playing in the five league level games. Additionally Pickett also performed and looked at ease in the AIS v Collingwood game earlier in the season so he should be able to make the adjustment and continue to have an impact against bigger bodies.
Weaknesses:Defensive running – At this stage Pickett is a one way offensive runner and while he will give maximum effort running and carrying the ball he seems to take it easier on the other side of the ball and to an extent seems to conserve his energy which is a habit he will have to break at the next level if he wants regular senior games.
What I expect will improve:Pickett’s defensive running will surely improve but otherwise I see Pickett largely improving on his strengths and transferring those strengths into an AFL setting and continuing in the most part to do what he does.Who he can become?I see Pickett developing into something similar to Lewis Jetta. Pickett does not have as much penetration on his kick but otherwise I feel Pickett’s numbers and ability to impact games with his line breaking ability to be relatively similar.When will he be ready to play?Pickett has the ability to receive some senior games from season one. He is likely not a round one starter and will likely need to prove himself first in the 2s for a team but with the linebreaking ability and energy he can inject into games he is someone I imagine a team would feel compelled to give senior games to at some point. By season two or three I imagine Pickett will then establish himself in the best team and be a different maker pretty well right away. How to best utilise him?Pickett is best utilised on a wing as an outside linebreaker.
Interpretation of his numbers:pickett’s numbers have been strong through the U18 champs for these past couple of seasons and he is also performed well in the WA colts, reserves and seniors. He is hitting the scoreboard regularly, collecting strong numbers and also showing he can win some of his own ball which are all strong indicators that his game can transfer to senior AFL level. All his numbers when you look at that and consider the way he plays his footy. He has a real opportunity ahead of him and has the opportunity to be a real difference maker for a team.

11. Lachlan Weller (QLD – Util)Height:181cm, Weight: 71kg, DOB: 23/02/1996
Recruited from: Broadbeach
Range: 5-25 Best position/role: Midfield – outside
Strengths: Skillset – Weller has a damaging 55m kick on him. He makes the right decisions with ball in hand and has excellent vision and the ability to pick out targets up the field or inside 50m at will. To a target he kicks it out in front for the leading player to run comfortably onto and has the precision kick to consistently get it those few meters out in front of the player. Weller is a good kick both over short, medium and long distance. He is a very capable finisher around goal when he has the opportunity and can finish from outside 50m and is also reliable with his set-shot conversion from various angles. He is also excellent in close with his clean hands and ability to distribute by hand also very good. His disposal efficiency at the various levels he has played at has also been impressive for someone who tends to do damage with his touches.
Speed and athleticism - Weller has an excellent burst of speed which he uses well in game to break the lines and take on the game. He can step through traffic and break away from stoppages with his speed. He has good agility and can at times evade tacklers. He also has some excellent leaping ability.
Versatility – Weller can play on a wing, as a playmaker off a back flank, in the front half as a playmaker or finisher or even on the ball through the midfield as required.
Production – Has performed strongly both through the U18 Championships, the TAC Cup and in the NEAFL, accumulating strong numbers for a damaging outside type.
Not a soft outside player - While Weller is unlikely to develop into an inside midfielder or a dominant contested ball winner, he is not completely limited to playing outside. Weller can win the contested ball to a good standard for an outside player and has a good contested to uncontested ball balance. His work by hand to target is excellent. He is a lively tackler and has excellent tackle per game numbers. He also at times has shown that he can hit the ball at speed and come out the other end with ball in hand, using his run to break away from the contest.
Weaknesses:Light body – Weller at 71kg is lightly built at this stage and will need to put weight onto his frame at AFL level. As a light body it also prompts the question to what extent will he retain his speed as he puts weight onto his frame.
Best position? – Weller is a versatile player and as such I have questions as to where Weller will long term be best suited to playing. Is he best suited on a wing? Forward flank? Back flank? His versatility is a terrific strength but does leave that question in my mind.
Ability to take more easy marks – As an outside player what I find is missing from Weller’s game is the ability to take more easy marks around the ground. Playing alongside teammates with limited skillsets has not helped but it is something I still expect to see more of than I have. He generally seems to read the flight well and the drop of the ball reasonably well and is a relatively sound overhead mark so it is something he can develop but he just does not seem to work hard enough and find those open spaces he needs to at this stage to take as many easy marks around the ground as he could.
What I expect will improve:I expect Weller puts on more weight onto his frame and continues to improve his all-round game over time.
Who he can become?I see Weller as being similar to Zach Merrett as that similar quality silky outside type with some versatility. When will he be ready to play?Weller is ready to play from season one.
How to best utilise him?Weller can be used all over the place and initially I would be inclined to play him on a forward or back flank with the vision to play him more up the field as he develops.
Interpretation of his numbers:
Weller’s numbers have been sound at all levels he has played at, accumulating strong numbers through the U18 Championships and also putting forward some strong numbers against more seasoned bodies in the NEAFL. His disposal per game numbers and tackle numbers by position were both very good, as has been his disposal efficiency. Given his performances on the board as a relatively damaging player Weller has the ability to play from season one.

13. Jayden Laverde (VIC – Util)
Height: 189cm, Weight: 82kg, DOB: 12/04/1996
Recruited from: Western Jets
Draft range: 5-20
Best position/role: Rotational forward/midfielder. Strengths: Evasiveness – Laverde has rare ability to create time and space for himself with his well-timed evasive sidesteps, body movements, ball fakes among other moves with ball in hand that give him more time and space than anyone else out on the field. He avoids tacklers easily by anticipating what they’ll do before they do it making him look that class above with ball in hand.
Athleticism - Laverde in addition to his evasiveness has excellent explosiveness and athleticism. Laverde uses his pace effectively in game and can break the lines and taking on the game with ball in hand and plays on when the opportunity is there and has some real breakaway pace and instant acceleration making him hard to catch. Laverde is a good leaper and is a strong mark in the air. He also has the strength and power to win the 1v1 contests and to win his own ball around the ground. Ball use - Laverde is an excellent user of the footy with his vision allowing him to find the most damaging targets up the field and his ability to execute by both hand and foot also is excellent. When within range from goal Laverde is also an excellent finisher both from general play and set shots and has shown that he can provide heavy scoreboard impact. He can at times make some poor decisions with ball in hand and choose the wrong targets but that has improved as the year has progressed. Versatility – Can play forward or back well and has the scope to develop the ability to play more through the midfield.Front half talent – Laverde in the front half has the ability to do major damage and has that natural intuitive front half talent so few have. He is a capable finisher from his set shots and in general play will run around defenders and run into goal for an easy finish. He keeps his feet in the contest, has a real natural balance to him and can take advantage of guys 1v1 for marks and is also capable in the air and on the lead. He has excellent evasiveness and is hard to lay a finger on. He can win the ground balls and contested footy. He also has the vision to find targets in better position inside 50.Marking ability – Laverde is a strong mark overhead. He will take marks 1v1, in the air and on the lead. On the lead he can create separation effectively for the easy marks. In the air he is strong and has a good leap making him hard to stop. He also has excellent 1v1 strength in the contest and will take advantage of his opponent’s 1v1 taking strong marks against them. When played down back he also shows that he can read it well and be an intercept marking threat.
Weaknesses:Decision making ability - At times with ball in hand Laverde can try to do too much and can at times make the wrong decisions but when he can do what he does I would be giving him the benefit of the doubt on most occasions and let him just play his natural intuitive football, it is something I have seen him improve as the year has progressed so it is not something I am overly concerned by. Ability through the midfield? - The next stage in Laverde’s development is playing more through the midfield and it is something with time given his attributes that he has the scope to develop. With his evasive movement, skillset, size, strength, explosiveness and his contested ball winning ability he has the right mix of traits to play through the midfield but until he becomes a regular midfielder he is not and the question will remain. What I expect will improve:Given Laverde’s traits I see him making the jump into the midfield and gradually with time increasing his minutes. I also expect his strong general improvement to continue over coming seasons.
Who he can become?I see Laverde as something similar to Crameri as a powerful but athletic forward. Laverde is a more evasive less heavy version and may become more of a midfielder later on but I see Laverde as being overall a similar quality player to Crameri and likely to play a similar role as primarily a forward with eventually some midfield minutes down the track.
When will he be ready to play?Laverde should get some opportunities in season one but season two is when I see him most likely establishing himself as a regular for a team.
How to best utilise him?Laverde is best utilised in the front half given his talent and ability to do damage up forward but later on in his career I would like to see him increase his midfield minutes and split his time between the front half and midfield.
Interpretation of his numbers:Laverde this year has shown strong improvement as the season has progressed improving his disposal efficiency, increasing his overall numbers and taking more marks and contested marks. With his numbers trending upward it is a positive indicator that he will continue his strong development over coming seasons. He also had a very strong and productive U18 Championships where he also displayed an excellent disposal efficiency which was an encouraging sign of progress.

I'd be absolutely ecstatic if we were able to grab one of these guys in addition to Wright & Lever/Durdin.
 
So who are the best mids likely to be available at 7?
I'd throw in Duggan to, I think he is a little underrated to be honest

I would have had Ellis up there but he just doesn't win the contests at all

Laverde definitely has a lot of flair, but hasn't played a massive amount in just the midfield
big bodied and fast though
 
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