List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Dogs_r_barking]

Or we could actually lay the blame at the feet of the recruiting staff and footy manager rather than the coach who ideally should have bugger all to do with it?

I thought Macca had a bit to say on who we took when he came on board, ie Clay Smith instead of the usual skinny suspect who will come good after five years of development....

 

[woofles]

I thought Macca had a bit to say on who we took when he came on board, ie Clay Smith instead of the usual skinny suspect who will come good after five years of development....

Then what exactly does a system approach mean? You're original post insinuated that it was a free for all instituted by the coaches which is crap. Recruiting should be and is under the footy manager and recruiters resume. Do you really think Plow or Eade or Rhode or even Macca has enough time to watch these kids enough to overrule with any authority?

Oh spare me the skinny suspect line. Imagine if Clayton had drafted Macrae or Bonti, both billed as light, relatively outside and project types at draft time. Whitten Oval would have been burnt to the ground. And by the way, two of those skinny projects in Ray and Everitt have become solid league citizens.

 

[fronkalicious]

Everitt goes good. Ray I've never rated. Would take skinny back though.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Then what exactly does a system approach mean? You're original post insinuated that it was a free for all instituted by the coaches which is crap. Recruiting should be and is under the footy manager and recruiters resume. Do you really think Plow or Eade or Rhode or even Macca has enough time to watch these kids enough to overrule with any authority?

Oh spare me the skinny suspect line. Imagine if Clayton had drafted Macrae or Bonti, both billed as light, relatively outside and project types at draft time. Whitten Oval would have been burnt to the ground. And by the way, two of those skinny projects in Ray and Everitt have become solid league citizens.

The system approach that Macca developed meant that Clay Smith was the best player for our needs at the time, not Crozier, who was our target, who eventually went to Fremantle. The coaches do have a say in recruiting, they have a particular game plan they want to implement, and need the particular type of players to implement it. For example more of the tougher inside midfielders who can play on the outside, as opposed to the fleet footed runners that we had under Rocket.
In terms of your comment "what does a system approach mean" I think it is fairly obvious the criteria that Macca has developed for recruiting (good person, good at contested footy, good foot skills, right attitude etc etcO, this is not new, he actually talked about how shocked he was at the lack of system previously, so don't shoot the messenger.

 

[1961grandfinal]

Ray and Everitt show that relying on high draft picks is only one way to get ahead. IMO both have done little to justify their high pick, Everitt was never going to have the body for a KPD and Ray has never justified his. The lack of using all our rookie picks from those years has cost us from 2008 on.

 

[Toastman]

Recruiting should be and is under the footy manager and recruiters resume. Do you really think Plow or Eade or Rhode or even Macca has enough time to watch these kids enough to overrule with any authority?

Apologist nonsense. While I agree that the senior coach doesn't have time to watch all the junior games he is involved in the selection. Macca talks about drafting good people and he personally confirms that they meet the criteria once the short list is set. The recruiting team identify the possibles and then the coach has to sign off and if they don't bother to inform themselves then that doesn't remove their responsibility.
Eade was as much to blame for the disaster that was our drafting during his tenure as anyone in the drafting department. People can apologise for him all they want but the football community spoke, and even though he continues to express a desire to coach, no team has given him a head coaching job.

 

[_M_16_]

I thought Macca had a bit to say on who we took when he came on board, ie Clay Smith instead of the usual skinny suspect who will come good after five years of development....

He did, I am pretty sure I saw somewhere that we were looking at the guy who ended up going to Fremantle, some skinny undersized kid with "class"

 

[_M_16_]

Then what exactly does a system approach mean? You're original post insinuated that it was a free for all instituted by the coaches which is crap. Recruiting should be and is under the footy manager and recruiters resume. Do you really think Plow or Eade or Rhode or even Macca has enough time to watch these kids enough to overrule with any authority?

Oh spare me the skinny suspect line. Imagine if Clayton had drafted Macrae or Bonti, both billed as light, relatively outside and project types at draft time. Whitten Oval would have been burnt to the ground. And by the way, two of those skinny projects in Ray and Everitt have become solid league citizens.

Coaches have heaps of input on draft picks. The recruiters go around and scout all these kids, whilst the list manager coordinates it all, and would give the coaches feed back time to time. At the end of the season, they will sit down, and discuss the current state of the teams list, and look at what they need or could upgrade on. And they will have a list of names, both well known in the recruiting circles and some of those lesser knowns that have caught the attention of the club. They will watch some game tapes, short list a list of players, and go and interview them in person, watch them at the combine, and then cut the list down once again.

Being a coach is a full time role, they take part in everything. So yes it is ultimately up to the head coach what type of player he wants. Some may leave it to the recruiters and list manager to make the entire call themselves. But Macca would no doubt list his players in preferential order and leave it to the recruiters to deal with it come draft day

To suggest a coach has little to no input on draft selections is absurd. This is not Soccer, or NBA or NFL where owners who have no idea make the call. This is AFL, just about one of the more professional and honest organizations when it comes to recruiting players. Head coaches always have the final say on picks

 

[TempleKelvington]

Apologist nonsense. While I agree that the senior coach doesn't have time to watch all the junior games he is involved in the selection. Macca talks about drafting good people and he personally confirms that they meet the criteria once the short list is set. The recruiting team identify the possibles and then the coach has to sign off and if they don't bother to inform themselves then that doesn't remove their responsibility.
Eade was as much to blame for the disaster that was our drafting during his tenure as anyone in the drafting department. People can apologise for him all they want but the football community spoke, and even though he continues to express a desire to coach, no team has given him a head coaching job.

I heard Macca on radio the other day and he commented about just having been to an u18 game. I think he has a lot of input into who we select, I also know he meets the parents of players. I suspect it's similar for most clubs, the recruiting guys sort the wheat from the chaff, provided Macca and co with some potentials to look at and he would give his 2 bobs worth.

 

[Mofra]

Then what exactly does a system approach mean? You're original post insinuated that it was a free for all instituted by the coaches which is crap. Recruiting should be and is under the footy manager and recruiters resume. Do you really think Plow or Eade or Rhode or even Macca has enough time to watch these kids enough to overrule with any authority?

B-Mac is on record as saying he told the recruiting staff he wanted the best contested ball winning mid at Clay's pick.
He didn't pick Smith specifically, just requested the best of his type at that pick.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Macca has overhauled the previous recruiting system which he said focused too much on one particular trait a player had.

There's now a mathematical scoring system in place that gives draftees a rating out of 100 (which they calculate from categories such as speed, disposal, marking etc which is then calibrated to that players specific position) and that is how they order/rank the draftees.

These draftees are then divided into groups by position (KPP, Midfielders, Ruck, Utility etc) and if they decide to pick for need, they simply take the best available from whichever group is relevant, however, if they wish to go best available - they take player with the highest overall score, regardless of which group they are in.

 

[DognBones]

The cream continues to rise at TAC Cup level.
Last weekend saw some of the fancied, talked about players get mentions.

• McCartin kicked 7 goals for Geelong
• Wright kicked 4 for Calder
  
• Petracca kicked 5 in BOG for Eastern
• Goddard, Brayshaw, Laverde, Duggan and Marchbank all named in best players in respective teams
  
• Foster didn't play for Calder, Cordy appeared to have ordinary game for Geelong

 

[TempleKelvington]

The cream continues to rise at TAC Cup level.
Last weekend saw some of the fancied, talked about players get mentions.

• McCartin kicked 7 goals for Geelong
• Wright kicked 4 for Calder
  
• Petracca kicked 5 in BOG for Eastern
• Goddard, Brayshaw, Laverde, Duggan and Marchbank all named in best players in respective teams
  
• Foster didn't play for Calder, Cordy appeared to have ordinary game for Geelong

Good to see the f/s playing along nicely.

 

[DognBones]

Good to see the f/s playing along nicely.

Calder were beaten by a lower club in Sandringham, perhaps because Foster didn't play. After all, that 2nd rater Wright could manage only 4 goals!

 

[Wizard17]

The cream continues to rise at TAC Cup level.
Last weekend saw some of the fancied, talked about players get mentions.

• McCartin kicked 7 goals for Geelong
• Wright kicked 4 for Calder
  
• Petracca kicked 5 in BOG for Eastern
• Goddard, Brayshaw, Laverde, Duggan and Marchbank all named in best players in respective teams
  
• Foster didn't play for Calder, Cordy appeared to have ordinary game for Geelong

Also......
De Goey kicked three
Nelson named in bests
Viojo-Rainbow named in best

 

[Wizard17]

http://m.afl.com.au/video/2014-07-14/chargers-incredible-tac-cup-screamer

Jesus what a mark . Toby McLean

 

[Wizard17]

http://m.afl.com.au/video/2014-07-14/chargers-incredible-tac-cup-screamer

Jesus what a mark . Toby McLean

Is it wrong I have watched this about a dozen times already?

 

[fronkalicious]

Anyone think Goddard makes a late charge back up the draft boards? Gut feel is that if he finishes strong, he could be our pick at 6.

 

[Dav1d]

Anyone think Goddard makes a late charge back up the draft boards? Gut feel is that if he finishes strong, he could be our pick at 6.

He'd want to start very soon
has had a shocker of a year
gut feel is he slips out of the 10!
IF we downgraded though, he may be a hard pass

would basically be like having a poor mans Roughead though on the team

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Anyone think Goddard makes a late charge back up the draft boards? Gut feel is that if he finishes strong, he could be our pick at 6.

I personally think Marchbank is a better prospect than Goddard, better versatility as a CHB/CHF.

Could see him appealing to your mob.

 

[Wizard17]

Dav1d you said you wanted some x factor in the rookie draft. Toby McLean might be that, got an insane jump on him and kicks goals regularly.

 

[Dav1d]

Dav1d you said you wanted some x factor in the rookie draft. Toby McLean might be that, got an insane jump on him and kicks goals regularly.

meh
dream bigger

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

Anyone think Goddard makes a late charge back up the draft boards? Gut feel is that if he finishes strong, he could be our pick at 6.

Totally agree, champs is 6 games at the end of the day (wasn't actually terrible, just quiet in the two televised games) . Judging from all I've seen and heard about him he'd certainly fit in within 'good person' mould. Personally I'd perfer him over Durdin, just what I've seen of the two (has more footballing feel I'd argue and is a very good mark in his own right).

 

[Wizard17]

meh
dream bigger

Plays a lot bigger than his game reminds me of Elliott from Collingwood. Trying to think of taller players with similar traits but just can't think of any at the moment.

 

[Dav1d]

Plays a lot bigger than his game reminds me of Elliott from Collingwood. Trying to think of taller players with similar traits but just can't think of any at the moment.

I meant more 'x-factor'
that ain't enough
got to have a bigger trick bag then that