2014 Rookie Draft Thread

[Iluvdalhouse]

ok this is where you win flags...

pick 1 Capricon
pick 2 Glenn
pick 3 Read
pick 4 Piarce

Cnance for Keitel

 

[Bazza Bulldog]

There is a lot of talk on here about us recruiting KP players in the rookie draft. It is interesting to look at Dalrymples history re: KP players in his drafts (first one in 2009). I'll use over 192cm as a benchmark (so Zaine Cordy is not considered a KPP).

2009 - Lukas Markovic, James Mulligan (rookie upgrade), Eddie Prato (rookie)
2010 - Tom Hill, Zephaniah Skinner, Ed Barlow (rookie)
2011 - Michael Talia, Fletcher Roberts (pre-season), Tom Campbell (rookie), Jack Redpath (rookie), Mark Austin (rookie)
2012 - Nil
2013 - Nil
2014 - Nil (atm)

Analysis
- No KPP's last 3 years (next week ...?)
- Only 4 KPP's taken in the last 6 national drafts ... Talia at 39 the lowest pick (and he slipped from memory)
- Of the 11 KPP's drafted by Dalrymple, 4 remain on the list
- Redpath and Campbell were the result of inside knowledge from Shannon Grant/Macca re: Bendigo Bombers

I'll leave others to draw out conclusions ...

 

[Dry Rot]

Surely we should consider picking Grimley before the Hawks redraft him as a rookie. Although not sure how it would work with him having to be paid out his contract for second year that the Hawks didn't give him. I suppose they would just have to top up our payments?

New coach Bev would know him well. Interesting to see what we do.

 

[True Dog]

Not sure if this has been mentioned previously (sorry if it has) but does anyone think we might reconsider selecting Pearce given he'll be competing directly with our 5 recent additions from the national draft? They were targeted for having game sence which is something I feel Pearce lacks??

 

[Bazza Bulldog]

They were targeted for having game sence which is something I feel Pearce lacks??

I think you've highlighted the main reason that Pearce will be on the rookie list. Pearce is developing as a run with lock down defender. He has good closing speed and athleticism. I agree that he lacks footy smarts and can make poor decisions with ball in hand, but his role will not be to create, but shutdown. Hopefully with an injury free run, he can improve his disposal and awareness as well.

 

[wian]

I have heard a strong rumour this morning that Greenwood and Goodes are in strong contention for 2 of the positions

Please someone tell me this is rubbish or else i will cry

 

[Bazza Bulldog]

I have heard a strong rumour this morning that Greenwood and Goodes are in strong contention for 2 of the positions

Please someone tell me this is rubbish or else i will cry

If we rookie Greenwood, Pearce and Goodes ... this highlights that the recruiters don't rate who is left in the talent pool. At least with the 3 for-mentioned players, there is cover for injuries at senior level. This will be important with such a young list, instead of throwing McClean, Webb, Hamilton, Dale and Daniel to the wolves early.

 

[wian]

If we rookie Greenwood, Pearce and Goodes ... this highlights that the recruiters don't rate who is left in the talent pool. At least with the 3 for-mentioned players, there is cover for injuries at senior level. This will be important with such a young list, instead of throwing McClean, Webb, Hamilton, Dale and Daniel to the wolves early.

i dont think many will agree with that strategy especially those around here who are hell bent on recruiting tall defenders .

I personally would re rookie pearce, but as for Goodes and Greenwood - Waste of time IMO

 

[JTCWBFC]

I have heard a strong rumour this morning that Greenwood and Goodes are in strong contention for 2 of the positions

Please someone tell me this is rubbish or else i will cry

Serious waste of the rookie list if this happens.

 

[Bazza Bulldog]

Goodes and Greenwood - Waste of time IMO

I don't disagree ... but, it's only a waste of time if there are decent players available in the rookie draft. If not, then it would be a waste of time to draft players for the sake of it. I'm sure the recruiters are carefully considering these scenarios.

 

[TempleKelvington]

There is a lot of talk on here about us recruiting KP players in the rookie draft. It is interesting to look at Dalrymples history re: KP players in his drafts (first one in 2009). I'll use over 192cm as a benchmark (so Zaine Cordy is not considered a KPP).

2009 - Lukas Markovic, James Mulligan (rookie upgrade), Eddie Prato (rookie)
2010 - Tom Hill, Zephaniah Skinner, Ed Barlow (rookie)
2011 - Michael Talia, Fletcher Roberts (pre-season), Tom Campbell (rookie), Jack Redpath (rookie), Mark Austin (rookie)
2012 - Nil
2013 - Nil
2014 - Nil (atm)

Analysis
- No KPP's last 3 years (next week ...?)
- Only 4 KPP's taken in the last 6 national drafts ... Talia at 39 the lowest pick (and he slipped from memory)
- Of the 11 KPP's drafted by Dalrymple, 4 remain on the list
- Redpath and Campbell were the result of inside knowledge from Shannon Grant/Macca re: Bendigo Bombers

I'll leave others to draw out conclusions ...

I get your point.....but.

The club see Cordy as KP, they constantly refer to him in that light, so as far as they are concerned he's a KP player they have recruited. He's on the short side for one, but he will fill out and as I have said previously size is not the only thing that makes a good KP defender, but it's beside the point.

Hamling is KP by any definition. So is Boyd. I'd be surprised if Dalrymple is not a big part of the recruitment process draft or no draft and I while I get your point about his recruitment performance from the draft I don't think it's fair to look at our recruitment without looking at the whole picture.

What it does say I think is how hard these guys are to get in the draft in particular with non first round picks. Hawks are a great example of recruiting talls from other clubs, Sydney too.

I also think our development of our talls may not have been what it needs to be and I think last year was the first year they really put some time into our talls with introduction of Footscray allowing us to play them how we wanted. I reckon the Willi alignment hurt us in particular the big guys.

2011 was the year we had a big crack at KP players and 4 are still with is with the jury still out.

 

[TempleKelvington]

If we rookie Greenwood, Pearce and Goodes ... this highlights that the recruiters don't rate who is left in the talent pool. At least with the 3 for-mentioned players, there is cover for injuries at senior level. This will be important with such a young list, instead of throwing McClean, Webb, Hamilton, Dale and Daniel to the wolves early.

That is exactly right. If we do stay with Goodes, Greenwood and Pearce then it's because we have now got such a young list. The alternative is to rookie new mature age mids like Cain, Marcon or whatever. It's a lot of kids we have now and diluting development resources across so many kids may not be ideal. Not to mention what happens if we get injury.

I do however think a mature age KP player or 2 makes just as much sense.

 

[fronkalicious]

Am I the only one that doesn't think we need to rookie a ruckman?

 

[Dav1d]

Am I the only one that doesn't think we need to rookie a ruckman?

you had convinced me we don't, only two days to the rookie draft
and I am a little excited for that to

 

[TempleKelvington]

Am I the only one that doesn't think we need to rookie a ruckman?

I wouldn't.

 

[GreatSouthWest]

Am I the only one that doesn't think we need to rookie a ruckman?

With Pearce, Greenwood and Goodes, where's the room for a ruckman? Has anyone thought about Tom Young's feelings in all this? Luckily Howard has changed his mobile number. We should re-rookie Austin as well. Get the band back together so to speak.

Seriously, the consideration on these players is this: What number on the list are they in terms of fallback talent in the face of injuries? Where do Goodes, Greenwood and Pearce rank in this order in their theoretical postion set? If it's 2nd or 3rd then fine, re-rookie/rookie them. If not then we need to draft best available in the rookie draft.

A band aid approach to the rookie draft can miss a Dahlhaus etc for a simple short-term approach.

 

[Mofra]

I also think our development of our talls may not have been what it needs to be and I think last year was the first year they really put some time into our talls with introduction of Footscray allowing us to play them how we wanted. I reckon the Willi alignment hurt us in particular the big guys.

Interesting - there was a debate on this board years ago when we were aligned with Werribee that Pods being such a dominant VFL forward was hurting our development of KPFs (although the quality we selected is an issue too).
Clearly having a more closely aligned gameplan between VFL & AFL has to help our list.

 

[Zephiisdaman]

I think you've highlighted the main reason that Pearce will be on the rookie list. Pearce is developing as a run with lock down defender. He has good closing speed and athleticism. I agree that he lacks footy smarts and can make poor decisions with ball in hand, but his role will not be to create, but shutdown. Hopefully with an injury free run, he can improve his disposal and awareness as well.

Is he something we require? I'm sorry we should be rookieing kids who are a realistic chance to make it. Keeping a run with lockdown defender is ridiculous when possibly we can get kpps. I don't get the strategy to be honest.

 

[Zephiisdaman]

Am I the only one that doesn't think we need to rookie a ruckman?

I think Pearce should go, no real upside for me.
One ruckman
2 kpps
1 different type of player, a unique

 

[Zephiisdaman]

I have heard a strong rumour this morning that Greenwood and Goodes are in strong contention for 2 of the positions

Please someone tell me this is rubbish or else i will cry

I have heard Goodes is still massively on the radar. But I agree Wian it is a ridiculous assumption that these players will be any value at all long term.
You can add Pearce to this statement as well.
What did Einstein say? "The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

 

[Gmod23]

My rookie wish list:
Developmental CHF
quick, tall, who has good hands - a few options
Developmental Fullback?
can't actually identify one!
inside mid
Hard ball getter with pace, can be over 19 but under 24
Developmental Ruckmam
Size and footy smarts, non-athlete
Tall midfielder
Height, skills, agility
(If nothing good left to pick, take Pearce, could become a picken style tagger)

 

[JTCWBFC]

Hartley, Paine and Keitel - KPD, KPF and Swingman.

 

[Yojimbo]

Jesse Watchman, Ricky Cary, both 196 cm Kpf's
Tanner Smith, B4Freo 196 cm Kpd
Jake Maher 189 cm 82 kg out/mid
Michael mantiet, Nick Rippon.

 

[cooee bulldogs]

Does anyone know what time the rookie draft is on and if it is on radio/net ?

 

[Wizard17]

My rookie wish list:
Developmental CHF
quick, tall, who has good hands - a few options
Brenton Payne
Developmental Fullback?
can't actually identify one!
Tester, Keenan Ramsey
inside mid
Hard ball getter with pace, can be over 19 but under 24
Adam Marcon, Billy Evans
Developmental Ruckmam
Size and footy smarts, non-athlete
Mark Kovacevic, Tom Read
Tall midfielder
Height, skills, agility
Billy Myers? Jake Mayer
(If nothing good left to pick, take Pearce, could become a picken style tagger)