2015 - What to expect

[bradydaw91]

Garlett kicked only 12 goals, but Waite kicked 29 goals from 16 games, so saying he barely produced anything is wrong.

But as I see it, the recruitment of Jones, the continual improvement of Casboult and the emergence of Menzel should be enough to cover and perceived deficiencies up front. Throw in Henderson and the occasional forward rotations of Kruezer, Walker (hopefully) and some of our other goal kicking midfielders, we should be alright up front. Jaksch and Watto are still unknown quantities up front for me that could prove useful as well.

bradydaw91

I would be more worried about your own teams forward set up, I mean Riwelodt can't seem to kick 4 or more against any of the good sides (he only did it against Port once last year)? Vickery is a joke and Hampson was worth the pick aye? We ended up trading that pick for Sam Docherty! I wonder who I'd rather have in my team hmmmm.

The only player who I rate in the forward line at Richmond is Reece McKenzie, and he's got blue blood

These are the goal kicking averages for Ex Carlton players over their last 3 years at the blues.
Waite - 2.02 goals per game(2012-2014)
Gartlett - 1.58 goals per game(2012-2014)
Betts - 1.95 goal per game(2011-2013)

And you are filling the void with:
Jones - 1.05 goals per game(2012-2014)
Casboult - 0.81 goals per game(2012-2014)
Menzel - 1.31 goals per game(2013-2014)

The obvious flaw with this argument is that the 2nd group have far less experience and are expected to improve.


In saying that, Carlton were only a team in the finals mix (between 12th-7th) with the first group playing for them.

Will the estimated improvement of the 2nd group be enough to fill the void in 2015? I don’t think so.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

These are the goal kicking averages for Ex Carlton players over their last 3 years at the blues.
Waite - 2.02 goals per game(2012-2014)
Gartlett - 1.58 goals per game(2012-2014)
Betts - 1.95 goal per game(2011-2013)

And you are filling the void with:
Jones - 1.05 goals per game(2012-2014)
Casboult - 0.81 goals per game(2012-2014)
Menzel - 1.31 goals per game(2013-2014)

The obvious flaw with this argument is that the 2nd group have far less experience and are expected to improve.


In saying that, Carlton were only a team in the finals mix (between 12th-7th) with the first group playing for them.

Will the estimated improvement of the 2nd group be enough to fill the void in 2015? I don’t think so.

Maybe more ball being directed their way may give them more opportunity and with natural improvement there is a chance that we could be much better off.

Waite, Garlett and Betts had trouble locking the ball in because they were inconsistent with effort to harass and chase which was a major reason the ball rebounded from forward 50 so easily.

Do you guys understand that good football teams are built around consistency of effort, hard work, adherence to game plan and structure and not reputation or occasional individual brilliance......

 

[Magruder]

These are the goal kicking averages for Ex Carlton players over their last 3 years at the blues.
Waite - 2.02 goals per game(2012-2014)
Gartlett - 1.58 goals per game(2012-2014)
Betts - 1.95 goal per game(2011-2013)

And you are filling the void with:
Jones - 1.05 goals per game(2012-2014)
Casboult - 0.81 goals per game(2012-2014)
Menzel - 1.31 goals per game(2013-2014)

The obvious flaw with this argument is that the 2nd group have far less experience and are expected to improve.


In saying that, Carlton were only a team in the finals mix (between 12th-7th) with the first group playing for them.

Will the estimated improvement of the 2nd group be enough to fill the void in 2015? I don’t think so.

Ok thanks for your opinion.

BTW

Riewoldt 2.4 goals a game
Vickery 1.2 goals
Griffiths 0.8 goals

Not that scary really and not that much of a ceiling either

 

[Taylor]

What's the plan for Judd?

 

[thylacine60]

Chris or Oscar?

 

[Just Kreuzing]

What's the plan for Judd?

Probably play midfield and get tagged every week, rest up forward or on the bench at times......

 

[Beer n Skittles]

What's the plan for Judd?

Sounds like he's over his archilles problems. Even if he wasn't he'd still be played on the ball

 

[bradydaw91]

Ok thanks for your opinion.

BTW

Riewoldt 2.4 goals a game
Vickery 1.2 goals
Griffiths 0.8 goals

Not that scary really and not that much of a ceiling either

Why keep on bringing up Richmond, as if its relevant to this thread? Seeing as Carlton's forward line used to be a strength of theirs. My previous post was merely pointing out who they have lost and who do they have to fill the shoes.

Maybe more ball being directed their way may give them more opportunity and with natural improvement there is a chance that we could be much better off.

Waite, Garlett and Betts had trouble locking the ball in because they were inconsistent with effort to harass and chase which was a major reason the ball rebounded from forward 50 so easily.

Do you guys understand that good football teams are built around consistency of effort, hard work, adherence to game plan and structure and not reputation or occasional individual brilliance......

I always thought Betts was near elite with his forward line pressure.

 

[HARKER]

Judd is playing the whole year as a 31 year old and is fresher than he has been for several years.
It's odd that similar concerns don't come about for Stevie Johnson or Sam Mitchell who are both older than Judd.

Judd will largely play where he has played, being through the centre of the ground whilst spending some time forward, as many other mids do.

 

[Magruder]

I'm pointing out that a side good enough to finish 5th and 8th over the last two years hardly had a scary forward line.

I'd contend that KPPs in Hendo, Casboult and say Jones with support from Walker , Menzel etc compares OK with the Tiges.

We'll be fine up forward but thanks for your concern.

 

[Taylor]

I'm quite worried about Steve Johnson actually. If he becomes slow due to his ankle I think his effectiveness will fall off a cliff.

I'm trying to get a lock down on your inside midfield, I'm confident in your outside run.

 

[Jatz]

I'm quite worried about Steve Johnson actually. If he becomes slow due to his ankle I think his effectiveness will fall off a cliff.

I'm trying to get a lock down on your inside midfield, I'm confident in your outside run.

Really?

I'm completely the other way. Think our inside is good but our outside is where we lack.

 

[Aphrodite]

Judd is playing the whole year as a 31 year old and is fresher than he has been for several years.
It's odd that similar concerns don't come about for Stevie Johnson or Sam Mitchell who are both older than Judd.

Judd will largely play where he has played, being through the centre of the ground whilst spending some time forward, as many other mids do.

That's because they don't play for Carlton Harks.

 

[Taylor]

Really?

I'm completely the other way. Think our inside is good but our outside is where we lack.

I'd be sending Murphy and Thomas to the wing, in my mind that accounts for 15 to 20 quality inside fifties per game.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

I'm quite worried about Steve Johnson actually. If he becomes slow due to his ankle I think his effectiveness will fall off a cliff.

I'm trying to get a lock down on your inside midfield, I'm confident in your outside run.

For some reason there's always talk about moving Judd to a more outside role. For me it doesn't make much sense. His strength has always been as an inside mid, first for his explosiveness & later for his awareness.

I'd be sending Murphy and Thomas to the wing, in my mind that accounts for 15 to 20 quality inside fifties per game.

I agree it's probably more ideal to play Murphy on a wing. Is it too optimistic to hope that Cripps can come in & play all year on the ball?

 

[slashin_velvet]

For some reason there's always talk about moving Judd to a more outside role. For me it doesn't make much sense. His strength has always been as an inside mid, first for his explosiveness & later for his awareness.


I agree it's probably more ideal to play Murphy on a wing. Is it too optimistic to hope that Cripps can come in & play all year on the ball?

All year is probably too optomistic, but he'll be part of a group of younger guys who get gametime - Graham, Whiley, Cripps, Boekhorst

 

[Magruder]

expect Whiley, Cripps, Graham to step up inside

Judd and Gibbs are inside/outside

Murphy, Thomas, Boeky and Yazz will play outside/inside

Docherty/Simpson may play outside

Would love to see Touhy/Menz/Sheehan given some midfield time

Not to mention Bell, Curnow, Carrotts etc

Need more depth but it's coming

 

[Just Kreuzing]

I always thought Betts was near elite with his forward line pressure.

When he wanted to be he was ok.

 

[ctacp]

Chris or Oscar?

Ashley...mmmmmm, Ashley....

 

[Magruder]

was cute back in the day, not sure she could play on a wing though

 

[ShanDog]

Carlton's forward line used to be a strength of theirs.

What's 1995 got to do with this?

We have over half our team replaced and one of the great coaches in the history of the AFL. We have plenty to look forward to and many reasons to be optimistic.

Just by the by, Richmond is going nowhere but down.

 

[bradydaw91]

What's 1995 got to do with this?

We have over half our team replaced and one of the great coaches in the history of the AFL. We have plenty to look forward to and many reasons to be optimistic.

Just by the by, Richmond is going nowhere but down.

Bigfooty, not the place for rational debate.

 

[PuffDragon89]

Waite and Garlett .... void??

Why do I get the feeling that if both were on the list for 2015 we'd cop remarks along the lines of "you can't expect to improve if you are relying on Waite and Garlett"

Truthfully I expect us to see improvement, it may not translate to a finals berth, but it will be consistent with natural development of a core of players.
I seem to remember the Tiges losing a bucket load of close ones in 2012 before finishing H&A in 5th for 2013.

2013, North lost 7 games 12pts or less (inc 5 games 5pts or less). Here's hoping we'll make the step up at 'handling the pressure' in the final minutes of each quarter, final 15 minutes in particular.

 

[ShanDog]

Bigfooty, not the place for rational debate.

Everything I said is 100% rational. In fact, driven by the 'Rationalization Process' as described by German philiosopher and sociologist Max Weber.

Richmond just sux.

 

[PuffDragon89]

Remind me what norf were like in 2013.

yep..