2015 World Cup format

[whats_at_stake]

I think the format will be finalised over the next few days. ICC finally see some common sense and will look at 12 teams for the next World Cup.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/509467.html

I however am not a big fan of the quarter, semi and final system. Would rather two groups of 6, top 3 go through with carryover points to a Super 6, then 1v2 with loser to play winner of 3v4.

The whole quarter final thing is a bit too much like a lottery.

Edit: Perhaps mods can make this a World Cup 2015 discussion thread by renaming this and the logo one and merging the threads.

 

[themightybloods]

it would be great to see a 12 team world cup; however it would still be surprising to see, as it would mean a major back flip by the ICC. Wouldn't be surprised if the lower ranked full members (Bangladesh and Zimbabwe) complained as then they would of been forced to qualify in a 10 team tournament, however if 12 teams is confirmed then, most likely the top 10 teams will directly qualify.

I'm actually a fan of the quarter finals, i think it created more suspense to this year's tournament. I think the knockout games are great! Don't think South Africa like them though

 

[whats_at_stake]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/509530.html
Very disappointing.
ICC confirms 10 teams.
-2015 tournament will be top 10 playing nations
-2019 tournament may have some qualifiers for the final two spots
Some sort of relegation/promotion system to be introduced around then.

According to the article it may be back to the 1992 format where every team plays each other once. Long 2015 World Cup coming up if that is the case. Could be good though.

Article says more to come.

 

[frankrizzo]

1992 format!!!

By far the best format we have had, no meaningless games vs canada ect and even the prelim games have a huge impact on the major teams chances of reaching a semi.

I don't think it will be as long as the 2011 version as they will play 2-3 prelim games per day(hopefully).

 

[whats_at_stake]

Ireland very angry (rightfully to some extent):

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/509549.html

I am still in favour of 12 but can see the 10 working with qualfiers for the last two positions. Unfortunately this qualification will not occur for 2015 so Zimbabwe and Bangladesh are in and Ireland are out for 2015.

They better have some sort of Associate Cup.

 

[legend166]

The ICC are complete morons.

 

[tazzietiger]

Thats abit harsh to kick Ireland out after beating Bangladesh and England.
I would also say that if Zimbabwe was in there group they would also of defeated them.

 

[The Passenger]

shit decision.

the ICC have once again shown they are just completely inpet.

the only thing wrong with the last world cup was that the initial stages went for so long and the business end was done and dusted in a week.

 

[rickyp]

Why doesn't Ireland have test status? Surely can't be worse than Zimbabwe...

 

[Bradesmaen]

If Ireland were in the WC, I would go see their games. Where as Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, I wouldn't even bother seeing them be completely uncompetitive.

 

[ManWithNoName]

They want this one over as quickly as possible. It doesn't work out in terms of timezones and TV for India.

Why do you think they made this World Cup last as long as humanly possible? $$$

 

[saint_larry]

The thing that I find most ridiculous about this is that in 4 years, there's a good chance that the best 10 odi teams won't be participating.
At the moment in the ICC rankings, Ireland are ranked above Zimbabwe, and they could still be come 2015.
BUT Zimbabwe play tests. Which HSOULD be meaningless, for the ODI World Cup.
gah.

 

[XFactor1979]

1992 format!!!

By far the best format we have had, no meaningless games vs canada ect and even the prelim games have a huge impact on the major teams chances of reaching a semi.

I don't think it will be as long as the 2011 version as they will play 2-3 prelim games per day(hopefully).

Aha! That's where youre wrong!

Although Im praying to allah, buddha and jesus (in that order) that there is a god out there and the right decision will be made!

 

[Phone]

remember this isn't the ICC's decision only. this would have had the support of the 10 full members...thanks CA, NZ & ECB....

 

[XFactor1979]

remember this isn't the ICC's decision only. this would have had the support of the 10 full members...thanks CA, NZ & ECB....

Ah so youre saying its a similar situation to a Zimbabwean Election where the BCCI, CA and ECB decide on a trivial matter: and the BCCI is Mugabe

The three come to a bridge which is going to collapse on a piranha infested river where its debated who should cross the bridge first. They hold a vote on who should cross first

The BCCI won the vote 16 to 2

 

[Bomber Bears]

They want this one over as quickly as possible. It doesn't work out in terms of timezones and TV for India.

Why do you think they made this World Cup last as long as humanly possible? $$$

Pretty sure there is about a game or two difference. Just any possibility of Minnows knocking out the establishment for the meaningful matches is gone

 

[whats_at_stake]

They want this one over as quickly as possible. It doesn't work out in terms of timezones and TV for India.

Why do you think they made this World Cup last as long as humanly possible? $$$

If as has been rumoured that we are back to the 1992 format there will be significantly more games for the 2015 format (every team plays each other once).

World Cup will be around about now. A 6 week World Cup will annoy the AFL as practically all large grounds will be required by cricket.

 

[themightybloods]

This is an absolutely disgusting decision by the ICC, but one that really was expected as they are just money hungry. I still don't understand why there can't be a qualification tournament for the 2015 edition. Why does it have to wait for the 2019 one.

By the time 2019 comes around, most of Ireland's current generation would have retired, with George Dockrell most likely playing for England. Ireland are ranked ahead of Zimbabwe for bloody sake. If they played the same amount of matches as Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, they would be ranked even higher. This decision makes far deeper impact than just Ireland. The likes of Canada and Kenya will now go downhill even quicker. How about poor Afghanistan who were unlikely not to be in this World Cup. There dream was to play in the World Cup, and have progressed from Division 5. This now forces teams to focus on Twenty20, which is bad for them, as it means players all around the world will not learn the proper technique.

The least the ICC could do was to include a qualification event for the 2015 edition with say 2-3 spots up for grabs. The only positives to come out of this decision is that after 2019, promotion and relegation will occur in the ODI League, meaning quite possibly the likes of Ireland could be promoted. However with the fat money hungry people running the game, even this probably won't eventuate. Ireland really need to show the ICC again, that they deserve to be there, by winning matches this summer, against Pakistan, Sri Lanka and England. Unfortunately now it also becomes unlikely how many matches the top associates will play against full member nations in a calendar year. Probably close to none now.

Cricket Australia would have had a big part in this decision, as they are the ones hosting the World Cup, they probably don't want any associates playing, as it would hurt their potential income from the tournament. Also Cricket Australia are the board that resists the the lower nations the most. They refuse to play Bangladesh too regularly, and never offer to play any matches against Associates. I urge all of you, if you are outraged by this decision to email Cricket Australia and show your disappointment.


Yes, expanding the Twenty20 to 16 teams is good, but is not even close to compensating the better associates. Expanding the Twenty20 World Cup, is good for lesser nations such as ones lower down in divisions that can use T20 to develop the game.

Is there any chance for legal action to be taken, as really how can the ICC call it the World Cup, when they are not allowing the 'world' to compete.

Also, when is this ODI League and Test Championship going to start anyway? Wasn't it supposed to start after the World Cup.

 

[whats_at_stake]

This is an absolutely disgusting decision by the ICC, but one that really was expected as they are just money hungry. I still don't understand why there can't be a qualification tournament for the 2015 edition. Why does it have to wait for the 2019 one.

By the time 2019 comes around, most of Ireland's current generation would have retired, with George Dockrell most likely playing for England. Ireland are ranked ahead of Zimbabwe for bloody sake. If they played the same amount of matches as Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, they would be ranked even higher. This decision makes far deeper impact than just Ireland. The likes of Canada and Kenya will now go downhill even quicker. How about poor Afghanistan who were unlikely not to be in this World Cup. There dream was to play in the World Cup, and have progressed from Division 5. This now forces teams to focus on Twenty20, which is bad for them, as it means players all around the world will not learn the proper technique.

The least the ICC could do was to include a qualification event for the 2015 edition with say 2-3 spots up for grabs. The only positives to come out of this decision is that after 2019, promotion and relegation will occur in the ODI League, meaning quite possibly the likes of Ireland could be promoted. However with the fat money hungry people running the game, even this probably won't eventuate. Ireland really need to show the ICC again, that they deserve to be there, by winning matches this summer, against Pakistan, Sri Lanka and England. Unfortunately now it also becomes unlikely how many matches the top associates will play against full member nations in a calendar year. Probably close to none now.

Cricket Australia would have had a big part in this decision, as they are the ones hosting the World Cup, they probably don't want any associates playing, as it would hurt their potential income from the tournament. Also Cricket Australia are the board that resists the the lower nations the most. They refuse to play Bangladesh too regularly, and never offer to play any matches against Associates. I urge all of you, if you are outraged by this decision to email Cricket Australia and show your disappointment.


Yes, expanding the Twenty20 to 16 teams is good, but is not even close to compensating the better associates. Expanding the Twenty20 World Cup, is good for lesser nations such as ones lower down in divisions that can use T20 to develop the game.

Is there any chance for legal action to be taken, as really how can the ICC call it the World Cup, when they are not allowing the 'world' to compete.

Also, when is this ODI League and Test Championship going to start anyway? Wasn't it supposed to start after the World Cup.

ODI Championship I believe is starting from April 2011. Runs until April 2014 and a champion crowned followed by the World Cup (maybe runs until 2015).

Test Championship will be played in 2013 between the top 4 Test playing nations (quite possibly will replace the Champions Trophy and England will host this instead). No dates set out yet.

 

[Gman12]

as someone who has only really a passing interest in cricket, mainly from my time in Australia, I am just wondering can anyone explain to me, an Irishman, why the ICC has made this decision?

I would never claim to know a whole lot on the workings of cricket, especially the technical side of the ruling body, but to me it seems that if you are not a test nation, you are nobody. A few years back ini the last world cup, Ed Joyce lined out for England against Ireland. He was able to play for Ireland one minute, and then within weeks, transfer to England and play for them straight away. Obviously he was a huge loss to Ireland, and it was inevitable that he would end up coming back to Ireland eventually. However, this process to return to play for his home nation took years, as he has to sit out playing international cricket to go back to his home nation. so there is my first query, how is that a test side can take an associate member player and play him striaght away, and when they discard him, he has to wait years to go play for the associate side again? This seems to me as very odd, as it only benefits the test nation, and hinders the associate side.

Players want to play at peak competitions, and with Ireland not being a test side, they are therefore eligable to play for England. Hence you have a situation of Eoin Morgan playing international cricket against his brother. As a result, you hear commentary on Irish games on English tv, and they see it as a scouting mission. Talks of he could fit into the English side, or wouldnt he be a good addition. Surely this is all wrong? How is taking the best of the countrys players going to improve that country? It is just pillaging a nation and taking what they need for now, and leaving it with nothing and it will be left to aimlessly flounder.

And I havent even got to the standard of the cricket. Ireland are ranked ahead of sides who will be allowed in the next world cup. How does that make sense? To be honest, cricket is not popular in Ireland, but the team beating England made headline news here, and interest is definitley growing. but why would people be bothered if the best players are just pissing off to England because the governing body wont let them play.

other than the big teams being annoyed at having to hammer sides like Canada, is there any real other logic to not allowing associate members play in a "world cup"?

 

[The Speaker]

Ireland should be a test side by now.

The ICC is doing everything in its power to prevent it.

 

[BobbyMorri]

Idiots. Its a "world cup", not just the best 10 teams with no qualification. Yes, this world cup went far too long(again), but its the ICC's refusal to play 2 games a day for throughout group stages. Heck, in Aus and NZ, u could easy play 3 games a day, thanks to timezones.

one of the best games this tournament was watching Ireland beat England. they wont happen now. Cricket overseas is not going to go downhill, quite fast.

 

[themightybloods]

if you feel outraged at this decision then email

enquiry@icc-cricket.com

 

[Doodlesweaver]

remember this isn't the ICC's decision only. this would have had the support of the 10 full members...thanks CA, NZ & ECB....

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket-australia-backed-minnow-ban/story-e6frf9if-1226034232733


Cheers James.

AND he has the nerve to suggest that it's due to the minnows being in the tournament that we were so poor against decent sides.

 

[Gman12]

Ireland should be a test side by now.

The ICC is doing everything in its power to prevent it.

is there any reason why this is, or why is there such a need to prohibit sides from playing the game?