2016 - Baby Bombers?

[Call Me Cake]

Theoretically, the 2016 team isn't looking that much different to the 1993 version in terms of experience and expectations.

Could it be?

 

[craffles]

Sigh.


Short answer = no
Long answer = no ****ing hope in hell

 

[LB#16]

We didn't have the Internet to publically jinx it in 1993.

 

[Drummer_19]

Nuke the thread.

 

[Doss]

Good candidate for Delusional Pearlers, this.

 

[Howard Moon]

Without Someville we are nothing.

 

[Zach Attack]

We can but dream.

 

[efcboy]

B: Wanganeen - Baguley (inferior)
FB: Fletcher - Hartley (inferior)
B: Wallis - Gwilt (marginally inferior)
HB: Grenvold - Gleeson (inferior)
CHB: Harvey - Brown (inferior)
HB: Thompson - Kelly (inferior)
W: Olarenshaw - Fantasia (inferior)
C: Denham - Crowley (equal)
W: Hills - Z.Merrett (superior)
HF: Mercuri - Dempsey (inferior)
CHF: Hird - McKernan (inferior)
HF: Long - Cooney (inferior)
FP: T.Watson - Laverde (inferior)
FF: Salmon - Daniher (inferior)
FP: Bewick - Stokes (inferior)
Ruck: Somerville - Luenberger (slightly superior)
RR: O'Donnell - Goddard (superior)
R: Misiti - Zaharakis (slightly inferior)
Int: C.Daniher - J.Merrett (inferior)
Int: Calthorpe - Parish (inferior)

Baby bombers 93 - Wanganeen, fletcher, Olarenshaw, hills, Mercuri, Hird, Misiti, Calthorpe (8)
Baby bombers 16 - Gleeson, Fantasia, z.merrett, Laverde, Daniher, parish (6)
Senior top line 93 - Grenvold, Harvey, Thompson, Long, T.Watson, Salmon, Bewick, O'Donnell (8)
Senior top line 16 - Baguley, Kelly, Leuenberger, Goddard, Zaharakis (5)
Mediocre 93 - Wallis, Denham, Somerville (3)
Mediocre 16 - Hartley, Gwilt, Brown, Crowley, Dempsey, McKernan, Cooney (current form), Stokes (current form), J.Merrett (9)

Now look at the difference in older mediocre players - almost half of the 2016 players are proven mediocre.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Theoretically, the 2016 team isn't looking that much different to the 1993 version in terms of experience and expectations.

Could it be?

It could. It won't.

 

[Doss]

efcboy's post highlights the massive differences quite nicely.

 

[hurlygurdy]

On a more positive note, there is a long list of baby bombers that i'm excited about this year (Gleeson, Fantasia, z.merrett, Laverde, Daniher, parish, J Merrett, Francis, Langford etc).
Trouble is they will be playing in a dispirited, shell shocked club full of guys turning up to collect a pay packet before pissing off at the end of the season. To avoid utter embarrassment everything has to go right this season, and i do mean everything. A repeat of 93'? Not a chance in hell.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

B: Wanganeen - Baguley (inferior)
FB: Fletcher - Hartley (inferior)
B: Wallis - Gwilt (marginally inferior)
HB: Grenvold - Gleeson (inferior)
CHB: Harvey - Brown (inferior)
HB: Thompson - Kelly (inferior)
W: Olarenshaw - Fantasia (inferior)
C: Denham - Crowley (equal)
W: Hills - Z.Merrett (superior)
HF: Mercuri - Dempsey (inferior)
CHF: Hird - McKernan (inferior)
HF: Long - Cooney (inferior)
FP: T.Watson - Laverde (inferior)
FF: Salmon - Daniher (inferior)
FP: Bewick - Stokes (inferior)
Ruck: Somerville - Luenberger (slightly superior)
RR: O'Donnell - Goddard (superior)
R: Misiti - Zaharakis (slightly inferior)
Int: C.Daniher - J.Merrett (inferior)
Int: Calthorpe - Parish (inferior)

Baby bombers 93 - Wanganeen, fletcher, Olarenshaw, hills, Mercuri, Hird, Misiti, Calthorpe (8)
Baby bombers 16 - Gleeson, Fantasia, z.merrett, Laverde, Daniher, parish (6)
Senior top line 93 - Grenvold, Harvey, Thompson, Long, T.Watson, Salmon, Bewick, O'Donnell (8)
Senior top line 16 - Baguley, Kelly, Leuenberger, Goddard, Zaharakis (5)
Mediocre 93 - Wallis, Denham, Somerville (3)
Mediocre 16 - Hartley, Gwilt, Brown, Crowley, Dempsey, McKernan, Cooney (current form), Stokes (current form), J.Merrett (9)

Now look at the difference in older mediocre players - almost half of the 2016 players are proven mediocre.

To be fair a lot of these comparisons are more hindsight comparisons. You do not take into account that we do not know how good some of our young kids are against what were our young kids then and how good we know they turned out to be with hindsight.

That being said even the most optimistic would be doubtful of even a finals finish.

 

[duckdog]

Heh, Spuddy Calthorpe vs Parish is not really able to be rated yet is it? Think there would be average sides in history that were a lot better as a team than individuals. Not that I'm even going to bother to worry about the whole thing

 

[Blazeit]

YES


srs though. We shouldn't make finals because we are missing 12 AFL players. Theoretically every team should beat us on that alone, regardless of who else we have. But one should never underestimate the Steven Bradbury factor. Grab an unlikely finals berth, cunningly skate through 4 games and you beauty we win our first winter olympic gold.

 

[efcboy]

Heh, Spuddy Calthorpe vs Parish is not really able to be rated yet is it? Think there would be average sides in history that were a lot better as a team than individuals. Not that I'm even going to bother to worry about the whole thing

Well this was based on our chances in 2016. So it's based on parish in 2016 vs Calthorpe in 93. Calthorpe won a bog medal in state of origin around that time. Parish won't get to the level of Calthorpe did in 93 in his 2016 season.

However yes parish will be a better player long term over his career than Calthorpe. I'd certainly hope so!

 

[BrewSmackerVeiny]

The best teams of the era somehow all managed to have fairly average seasons all at once, Geelong, West Coast, Carlton, North and Hawthorn all had mediocre years in 1993 compared to the years previous and following, which made for a very even final ladder(Geelong missed the finals with 12 wins, while 1st place had 13 and a draw), Which pretty much allowed a team of kids to sneak in and snatch a flag. Doubt it will happen again.

 

[Runk]

B: Wanganeen - Baguley (inferior)
FB: Fletcher - Hartley (inferior)
B: Wallis - Gwilt (marginally inferior)
HB: Grenvold - Gleeson (inferior)
CHB: Harvey - Brown (inferior)
HB: Thompson - Kelly (inferior)
W: Olarenshaw - Fantasia (inferior)
C: Denham - Crowley (equal)
W: Hills - Z.Merrett (superior)
HF: Mercuri - Dempsey (inferior)
CHF: Hird - McKernan (inferior)
HF: Long - Cooney (inferior)
FP: T.Watson - Laverde (inferior)
FF: Salmon - Daniher (inferior)
FP: Bewick - Stokes (inferior)
Ruck: Somerville - Luenberger (slightly superior)
RR: O'Donnell - Goddard (superior)
R: Misiti - Zaharakis (slightly inferior?@??!!?!)
Int: C.Daniher - J.Merrett (inferior)
Int: Calthorpe - Parish (inferior)

Baby bombers 93 - Wanganeen, fletcher, Olarenshaw, hills, Mercuri, Hird, Misiti, Calthorpe (8)
Baby bombers 16 - Gleeson, Fantasia, z.merrett, Laverde, Daniher, parish (6)
Senior top line 93 - Grenvold, Harvey, Thompson, Long, T.Watson, Salmon, Bewick, O'Donnell (8)
Senior top line 16 - Baguley, Kelly, Leuenberger, Goddard, Zaharakis (5)
Mediocre 93 - Wallis, Denham, Somerville (3)
Mediocre 16 - Hartley, Gwilt, Brown, Crowley, Dempsey, McKernan, Cooney (current form), Stokes (current form), J.Merrett (9)

Now look at the difference in older mediocre players - almost half of the 2016 players are proven mediocre.

You had me until you rated Smokin Joe as only slightly better than Zaka. Disgraceful post.

 

[efcboy]

To be fair a lot of these comparisons are more hindsight comparisons. You do not take into account that we do not know how good some of our young kids are against what were our young kids then and how good we know they turned out to be with hindsight.

That being said even the most optimistic would be doubtful of even a finals finish.

Well a lot of those kids in 93 played some good footy in the second half of season 92 and featured in a 92 reserves flag from memory. The kids we had in 93 had shown a lot more than the kids we have in 2016. Also it was a different system as a lot of these came thru the clubs u/19s so were developed inhouse.

Zac Merrett has shown the most of our youngsters so I had his 2016 season beating hills in 93 (and hills was actually decent that year)

 

[efcboy]

You had me until you rated Smokin Joe as only slightly better than Zaka. Disgraceful post.

Zaka is a Crichton medallist and looks set for a big 2016 given the pre-season he's having thus far. And keep in mind Misiti in 93 was quite young and hadn't reached his peak. Zaka in 2016 is in his prime. I am basing it on one season only - 93 vs 16. It's not a career comparison.

 

[Runk]

Zaka is a Crichton medallist and looks set for a big 2016 given the pre-season he's having thus far. And keep in mind Misiti in 93 was quite young and hadn't reached his peak. Zaka in 2016 is in his prime. I am basing it on one season only - 93 vs 16. It's not a career comparison.

I hate you nonetheless and I don't care who knows it.kisses

 

[eth-dog]

No.

 

[duckdog]

Well this was based on our chances in 2016. So it's based on parish in 2016 vs Calthorpe in 93. Calthorpe won a bog medal in state of origin around that time. Parish won't get to the level of Calthorpe did in 93 in his 2016 season.

However yes parish will be a better player long term over his career than Calthorpe. I'd certainly hope so!

Hypothetically, which it all is of course

 

[efcboy]

Hypothetically, which it all is of course

Of course - an educated guess. Calthorpe was a solidly built kid who played in the reserves premiership the preceding year. Parish has never played against men, is skinny and will likely be nursed throughout the year in any case to protect his long term future.

 

[Rack Watts]

Move this to the pearlers thread before opposition fans see this.
HOLY ****.

 

[SherbertLemon]

mods pls.