List Mgmt. 2016 Draft Prospects(Poll Added)

[CaptainMurphy]

I generally put players on my list after they perform and try to keep it for our needs if I can.

At the moment I have 24 top age players and 3 over age players from the TAC. When I see both d1 & d2 champs I'll make a list for the other states then I'll rank them.

This is how the breakdown in numbers is looking right now:

Small Forwards - 3
Midfielders - 11
Tall Utilities - 3
Tall Defenders - 2
Tall Forwards - 3
General Defenders - 3
Rucks - 2

Look forward to your rankings (and the champs in general).

Speaking of rankings, I also do a combined rankings from all the ones on bigfooty - I collate all the power rankings I find into one big super board. I don't watch enough to rank them myself so it's how I get an overview of how others rank them.

 

[LittleG]

Look forward to your rankings (and the champs in general).

Speaking of rankings, I also do a combined rankings from all the ones on bigfooty - I collate all the power rankings I find into one big super board. I don't watch enough to rank them myself so it's how I get an overview of how others rank them.

There are some people who rank positions higher than others. KM loves KPF and generally overrates them. His midfield rankings are generally good. Skippos overrates smalls on their draft ranking but KPP have been more accurate.
Gave up on a few others on BF, as they appeared to ignore issues with fumbly players.
Would appreciate a copy of your spreadsheet, if you don't mind.

 

[Wizard17]

I really believe that the TAC should be broadcast on TV. It should be something for the ABC to do since they lost the VFL to C7.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

There are some people who rank positions higher than others. KM loves KPF and generally overrates them. His midfield rankings are generally good. Skippos overrates smalls on their draft ranking but KPP have been more accurate.
Gave up on a few others on BF, as they appeared to ignore issues with fumbly players.
Would appreciate a copy of your spreadsheet, if you don't mind.

Yeah, not a problem, I'll post it here.

I'm aware that they all have different priorities, I'm hoping my combining them it all averages out a bit.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

There are some people who rank positions higher than others. KM loves KPF and generally overrates them. His midfield rankings are generally good. Skippos overrates smalls on their draft ranking but KPP have been more accurate.
Gave up on a few others on BF, as they appeared to ignore issues with fumbly players.
Would appreciate a copy of your spreadsheet, if you don't mind.

Any idea how I would attach it?

 

[LittleG]

Any idea how I would attach it?

I have no idea. Tried and failed before. Only way would be to load it onto an external site and link to it.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I have no idea. Tried and failed before. Only way would be to load it onto an external site and link to it.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxtjxxK4CrcFSDlJOWJBVTlxYWs
Try this

 

[Dav1d]

I wonder if there are any key defenders that we believe could play as a key forward

 

[Wizard17]

I wonder if there are any key defenders that we believe could play as a key forward

As long as they are natural forwards...

Don't want guys down there that have no clue.

 

[Dav1d]

As long as they are natural forwards...

Don't want guys down there that have no clue.

Natural forwards, meaning?

If the best available key forward isn't someone who we rate.
Maybe looking at a key defender with the attributes of a forward might be worth looking at

If that's what you meant by natural forward

 

[Wizard17]

Would love to get a CHF and a goal kicking/pressure small this year.

 

[LittleG]

Natural forward know about leading, positioning, contested marking but mostly we are talking leading patterns. Every other attribute is secondary to leading pattern and maybe drop zone positioning.

 

[Wizard17]

Natural forwards, meaning?

If the best available key forward isn't someone who we rate.
Maybe looking at a key defender with the attributes of a forward might be worth looking at

If that's what you meant by natural forward

What I mean is that they don't run around in circles or get into terrible spots all the time.

Natural Forwards lead and move to the right places to get the football in the F50 consistently and it that is part of a football IQ so you simply cannot teach a player who to do it.

Edit: what LittleG said plus goal sense

 

[Dav1d]

Then you don't want McLarty
Has horrible positioning & has to be barked orders from teammates about where to position at.

Given I've said that, he probably goes on to be a star. But from what I've seen, I am not impressed

 

[Wizard17]

Then you don't want McLarty
Has horrible positioning & has to be barked orders from teammates about where to position at.

Given I've said that, he probably goes on to be a star. But from what I've seen, I am not impressed

Not as a forward. He is a defender.

 

[LittleG]

I look at Battle and see a forward who is 3 years away from being decent at Afl level. Can we wait that long?

 

[Dav1d]

Not as a forward. He is a defender.

The defenders that I'm most interested in right now is Scrimshaw & Rotham

I hope that they both have injury free years to best show their talent, the same goes for every other player to.

A bit gutted that Simpkin won't be able to play this year.

 

[Skippos]

There are some people who rank positions higher than others. KM loves KPF and generally overrates them. His midfield rankings are generally good. Skippos overrates smalls on their draft ranking but KPP have been more accurate.
Gave up on a few others on BF, as they appeared to ignore issues with fumbly players.
Would appreciate a copy of your spreadsheet, if you don't mind.

I still am an avid reader of this thread guys!

Not sure how one can 'overrate' smalls but rank KPPs accurately? For every overration of x amount there has to be an underration of y amount to cause equilibrium. If anything I underrate KPP relative to others on here but that's only by virtue of success ration among non first round KPPs.

This year's not terrific with regards to key position players anyway.

And I'm beginning to believe that key position forwards are becoming less important in the modern game. Heavy zonal defences make leading patterns less important - it's becoming increasingly difficult to lead into space without being chopped off. As a result ground level game and spacial awareness are becoming more important as is athleticism; if you get very few shots to lead into space without being chopped off then you've got to be able to create separation. Endurance more important too given the requirement to defend and work up field more. Contested marking still is as important, though.

We're seeing an increase in importance for both athletic and especially medium sized forwards. The benefits associated with their size is more conducive to the modern game. As a result I think we'll see key forwards slightly fall in value come draft time, especially after the top 15 or so, with true general forwards considered more valuable than they were.

 

[LittleG]

I still am an avid reader of this thread guys!

Not sure how one can 'overrate' smalls but rank KPPs accurately? For every overration of x amount there has to be an underration of y amount to cause equilibrium. If anything I underrate KPP relative to others on here but that's only by virtue of success ration among non first round KPPs.

This year's not terrific with regards to key position players anyway.

And I'm beginning to believe that key position forwards are becoming less important in the modern game. Heavy zonal defences make leading patterns less important - it's becoming increasingly difficult to lead into space without being chopped off. As a result ground level game and spacial awareness are becoming more important as is athleticism; if you get very few shots to lead into space without being chopped off then you've got to be able to create separation. Endurance more important too given the requirement to defend and work up field more. Contested marking still is as important, though.

We're seeing an increase in importance for both athletic and especially medium sized forwards. The benefits associated with their size is more conducive to the modern game. As a result I think we'll see key forwards slightly fall in value come draft time, especially after the top 15 or so, with true general forwards considered more valuable than they were.

Smalls I mean the sub 180cm ones.
My assessment of your rating of smalls, is based on where they go in the draft, rather than actual playing ability. Seen many smalls you rate as good performing at Afl level better than their draft position. And also seen smalls you classed as overrated not perform at Afl level.

 

[GreatSouthWest]

Good one Little G. Now you've offended Skippos

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

And I'm beginning to believe that key position forwards are becoming less important in the modern game. Heavy zonal defences make leading patterns less important - it's becoming increasingly difficult to lead into space without being chopped off. As a result ground level game and spacial awareness are becoming more important as is athleticism; if you get very few shots to lead into space without being chopped off then you've got to be able to create separation. Endurance more important too given the requirement to defend and work up field more. Contested marking still is as important, though.

We're seeing an increase in importance for both athletic and especially medium sized forwards. The benefits associated with their size is more conducive to the modern game. As a result I think we'll see key forwards slightly fall in value come draft time, especially after the top 15 or so, with true general forwards considered more valuable than they were.

I think you're right with regard to the key forward of years past but I think the "new wave" of key forwards are still likely to be an extremely valuable commodity in the modern game. Over the past few years we've seen taller KPFs become the norm and it is in my view a trend partially initiated by recruiters in anticipation of the rise of the zone. It's a massive cliché but no matter what happens on-field a 200cm guy is still 200cm and he's still going to out-reach 195cm defenders nine times out of ten. Key forwards are now required to push up and back with regularity which, as you say, reduces the importance of leading patterns, but the ability to pluck a mark over the top and/or run your opponent into the ground will be as invaluable as ever. Furthermore alongside the zone comes a tendency to lock the ball in and force repeat entries, which often do require the nous of a natural key forward to capitalise on.

The likes of Daniher (athleticism + size), Lynch (size + athleticism + contested marking + genuine gun footballer), Boyd (size + contested marking ability [provided it improves to junior standards at AFL level]), Hogan (endurance + power + contested marking), Moore (endurance + athleticism + size), Schache (size), Hipwood (size + mobility), Lobb (size + mobility + contested marking) have all been drafted in the past few years and are all still well placed to impact in the modern game. I think there are enough of these guys in the AFL and coming through the junior ranks to run counter to your above argument and maintain the value and importance of key forwards - it's just that they'll get taller. Guys in that 188-195cm bracket, unless they're explosive or elite at ground level, though, will be pushed more and more into the midfield or into defence.

 

[Wizard17]

The sort of CHF that is one of the future is one who can kick goals (of course) but ALSO have the endurance to be able to push back to fill holes in defense or play on a wing, it is what I've seen from time to time from Gunston and Westoff has been doing it for years already.

Ruck who can play forward naturally become more valuable too. Rather than waste rotations taking your rucks off the ground you can rest your ruck forward and put your FF in the ruck without making too much difference to the forward line. This is why I like Lloyd Meek LittleG

 

[Wizard17]

I just scanned over the TAC teams for this week. Looks like there isn't schools footy this week

Murray have a crazy strong team when everybody is playing for them

Edit: Ainsworth still out.

 

[Wizard17]

One of my Div2 guys from last year in Dodge had a good start to the year. 36 touches and a goal. I'm guessing that is from HB or on a wing.

 

[Wizard17]

And Meek had another good game.