Opinion 2017 Draft Discussion - Pick 3 - Poll added

[Blue Baggers]

Let's just get elite ball users who are competitive beasts with a hard edge

 

[Mr_Plow]

Is that the same Clavarino that some school footy guy kicked 2 or 3 on?

 

[Arr0w]

Is that the same Clavarino that some school footy guy kicked 2 or 3 on?

Yes and I have Clavarino clearly in the 1st round

But keep that quiet

 

[Blue__Balls]

Gonna throw something out to mix the discussion up a bit.

Say we end up trading our first rounder in a deal for Kelly, but get a pick in the late teens back either from GWS or in some Gibbs trading etc. - is there anyone around the pick 15-18 mark who we might look at?

 

[Arr0w]

Gonna throw something out to mix the discussion up a bit.

Say we end up trading our first rounder in a deal for Kelly, but get a pick in the late teens back either from GWS or in some Gibbs trading etc. - is there anyone around the pick 15-18 mark who we might look at?

Best available or a specific type?

 

[No1Suspect]

Gonna throw something out to mix the discussion up a bit.

Say we end up trading our first rounder in a deal for Kelly, but get a pick in the late teens back either from GWS or in some Gibbs trading etc. - is there anyone around the pick 15-18 mark who we might look at?

We'd get a pick back for Hopper but Kelly will be our 1st pick straight up

 

[Jimmae]

If Rayner only runs a 12 beep to me that screams huge upside. Endurance can be improved talent can't. I would love one of Rayner or LDU at the Blues.

While what you say is true, it could also mean he's lazy. Sometimes it's very hard to get someone to break that habbit.

Unfortunately, it can mean a whole lot of things, but Fusion is right here: he needs to show greater application to improving his fitness. It'll show up in the video analysis if he's consistently lazy.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Best available or a specific type?

Assuming we lose Gibbs but gain Kelly and Hopper, you'd think we'd go best available rather than reaching for a second-rounder who fits the structure.

We'd get a pick back for Hopper but Kelly will be our 1st pick straight up

Yeah, ignoring the List Management side of it though. Assume that after other trades are done, we no longer have Pick 2-5 but instead have Pick 15-18. Who from this year's draft crop would be expected to fall around that mark and would be worth us drafting. What do they add and where can they improve us?

 

[Arr0w]

Clark, Dow, Spargo, Clavarino,

 

[No1Suspect]

Assuming we lose Gibbs but gain Kelly and Hopper, you'd think we'd go best available rather than reaching for a second-rounder who fits the structure.



Yeah, ignoring the List Management side of it though. Assume that after other trades are done, we no longer have Pick 2-5 but instead have Pick 15-18. Who from this year's draft crop would be expected to fall around that mark and would be worth us drafting. What do they add and where can they improve us?

Id probably go for line breakinh mid. Pure Pace in the midfield is a real issue for us aside from Cuningham. Who that is from the draft im not sure

 

[Coona Blues]

Clark, Dow, Spargo, Clavarino,

The hypothetical is assuming we get Kelly and Hopper, if this transpired I want Coleman-Jones,
(if he gets that far) Ruck/Forward, who had efforts around the ground to rival Kreuzer. Captain
of SA etc, etc. I know SOS unlikely to give high pick for ruck, but is my opinion, given our list.
Other than "awkward" kicking style, looked good as key forward underage last year, and dominant
as mobile ruck v Allies couple of weeks ago.

 

[LemmingMaster]

Gonna throw something out to mix the discussion up a bit.

Say we end up trading our first rounder in a deal for Kelly, but get a pick in the late teens back either from GWS or in some Gibbs trading etc. - is there anyone around the pick 15-18 mark who we might look at?

I'd be hoping for a Coffield, Paddy Dow or someone like that to drop. Worpel may drop if the downplay his kicking.
Hunter Clark would be nice if he dropped that far.
Petruccelle for some pace from the back half that can move around the wings.
Constable would be interesting to see where he ends up on draft night, but he seems versatile.

Maybe a little reach, but SA's Ballard is another player of interest for me.

The hypothetical is assuming we get Kelly and Hopper, if this transpired I want Coleman-Jones,
(if he gets that far) Ruck/Forward, who had efforts around the ground to rival Kreuzer. Captain
of SA etc, etc. I know SOS unlikely to give high pick for ruck, but is my opinion, given our list.
Other than "awkward" kicking style, looked good as key forward underage last year, and dominant
as mobile ruck v Allies couple of weeks ago.

Not the biggest fan of selecting a ruck like CCJ early these days.

 

[Arr0w]

The hypothetical is assuming we get Kelly and Hopper, if this transpired I want Coleman-Jones,
(if he gets that far) Ruck/Forward, who had efforts around the ground to rival Kreuzer. Captain
of SA etc, etc. I know SOS unlikely to give high pick for ruck, but is my opinion, given our list.
Other than "awkward" kicking style, looked good as key forward underage last year, and dominant
as mobile ruck v Allies couple of weeks ago.

I wouldn't pick him as a 1st rounder, will drift into the 2nd round. Better bang for your buck would be Ben Miller. Very agile, great leap and you could pick him up as a 3rd or 4th rounder at this stage

 

[HARKER]

Let's just get elite ball users who are competitive beasts with a hard edge

You can bank on that being the case. What other way is there?

You also don't have to be a head-first player to be competitive.
Smart players aren't easy to find either and anyone that combines talent & smarts would likely be at the front of the pack.

 

[Robertio]

Yeah well.....

Only watched the weekends game on the AFL site, but there seemed to be more than just a handful of quality players in that game alone.
The standard was about on par with what I recall watching last year and even though some players showed only samples of quality, the quality was there.

Reckon SOS will still be governed by ones self-drive and character more-so than skill set.
Shouldn't be judging some from a distance but it's clear that someone like Higgins will succeed when some other high fancies may not.

Yep like Higgins, see ball get ball. Quick as well.

 

[Old navy]

Gonna throw something out to mix the discussion up a bit.

Say we end up trading our first rounder in a deal for Kelly, but get a pick in the late teens back either from GWS or in some Gibbs trading etc. - is there anyone around the pick 15-18 mark who we might look at?

May be Garner would be around that range, has spent time at the club already, with AIS placement.

 

[HARKER]

Gonna throw something out to mix the discussion up a bit.

Say we end up trading our first rounder in a deal for Kelly, but get a pick in the late teens back either from GWS or in some Gibbs trading etc. - is there anyone around the pick 15-18 mark who we might look at?

It may yet come about, but just can't see us trading our first round pick this year, ahead of our first, the next.
It just doesn't fit neatly into the rebuild model.

We're likely to hold a top 4 pick and there will be a good player there for us and even though next years may be the better draft, how can we be sure we'd get a better player then, as opposed to the one we know now?

So, if we did keep our first, whilst possibly acquiring Kelly and Hopper, we're already in the better position next year........and then we can start worrying about what we're going to do in '18, whilst knowing we'll take Ben and possibly Wil Hickmott and hit heavily on FA's. That model fits for me.

 

[GoGrows]

So, if we did keep our first, whilst possibly acquiring Kelly and Hopper.

funny.

 

[El Topo]

It may yet come about, but just can't see us trading our first round pick this year, ahead of our first, the next.
It just doesn't fit neatly into the rebuild model.

We're likely to hold a top 4 pick and there will be a good player there for us and even though next years may be the better draft, how can we be sure we'd get a better player then, as opposed to the one we know now?

So, if we did keep our first, whilst possibly acquiring Kelly and Hopper, we're already in the better position next year........and then we can start worrying about what we're going to do in '18, whilst knowing we'll take Ben and possibly Wil Hickmott and hit heavily on FA's. That model fits for me.

That's definitely the best course for us but the issue is that there's another party to the deal, who will want back into this year's first round. If this instant midfield super deal goes ahead SOS will have to do his best work to escape with our 2017 1st intact.

 

[HARKER]

funny.

That beats a LOL, so congratulations on that front alone.

Do you know what has been touted as a possible deal for the 2 players in question? You don't do you?
All you have is a smart-arse comment that doesn't say anything, other than to highlight your ignorance.

 

[GoGrows]

That beats a LOL, so congratulations on that front alone.

Do you know what has been touted as a possible deal for the 2 players in question? You don't do you?
All you have is a smart-arse comment that doesn't say anything, other than to highlight your ignorance.

im more than happy to have a grown up conversation. I just didn't think your post was actually serious.

tell me then, what are the possible deals being touted........

 

[TerryWallet]

Just spitballin:

Bolts re-iterated last night that we will continue to prioritise the draft, then trade this year.

To me, rule out Kelly. Rule in keeping our own 1st Pick.

I'm envisioning that Pick to be Pick 2 to 5 like everyone else.

With that Pick, i'm factoring in a high level midfielder.

I'm now factoring in that Bolts loves left footers with great footskills, natural ability, proffessionalism, competitiveness.

I'm now factoring in that we would love someone like Josh Kelly, just one that won't throw out our just re-structured pay scale and cost us multiple picks.

I'm now thinking well, gee, that all points to Lochie O'Brien.

Now it's up to him to hold his worth relative to the pick we eventually hold. SOS was rapt with SPS's underage year and wasn't put off by a lesser senior year.

IMO, O'brien will be SOS's pick as we speak. At least if we are closer to 5 than 2. If we are closer to 2, someone else might DEMAND being picked.

 

[HARKER]

im more than happy to have a grown up conversation. I just didn't think your post was actually serious.

tell me then, what are the possible deals being touted........

I don't think you are but I'll play it out for you but next time ask questions first and shoot later. Works better that way.

Next years first, Casboult compo (band 2 or 3), Marc Murphy and pick up some GWS salary (again) for the two players..

Now you can laugh.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I don't think you are but I'll play it out for you but next time ask questions first and shoot later. Works better that way.

Next years first, Casboult compo (band 2 or 3), Marc Murphy and pick up some GWS salary (again) for the two players..

Now you can laugh.

Wrong thread Harks. Trying to generate some new discussion around players that haven't entered the frame yet, because there is a chance we may trade down the draft this year. You (and i) might prefer to keep a top 5 pick, but if we don't i'm curious about who could fall our way.

 

[HARKER]

Wrong thread Harks. Trying to generate some new discussion around players that haven't entered the frame yet, because there is a chance we may trade down the draft this year. You (and i) might prefer to keep a top 5 pick, but if we don't i'm curious about who could fall our way.

Again, I just can't see us trading this years first unless SOS deems that the players he wants have concerning, character issues.

I wouldn't even bother discussing who may be there at 15 or 25 right now. What's the point?