Opinion 2017 Draft Discussion - Pick 3 - Poll added

[The Smoking Gun]

Wouldn't touch Stephenson with a top 10 pick. 3 years away from senior footy body wise, inconsistent kicking action and lacklustre evasiveness about him despite him being light as a feather.

He's a Hayward/Rohan type unless he can get his body up to scratch, and even then he still might not elevate to a midfield or forward status worthy of that kind of draft expenditure.

Losing a bit of interest in Rayner because he's playing fairly exclusively as a forward as well.

I think the Lions will solve the Rayner issue for you. Think he's a better fit for their list than ours atm.

 

[Jimmae]

Apart from a great breakaway and goal, LDU was ordinary, as was his WA game

Their touches are of supreme quality though. Fitness is clearly an issue given the intensity that they play at, both in their change of direction and running power. Bit of a knee niggle and it hampers your consistency, as you can clearly see in Fogarty's kicking.

I think the Lions will solve the Rayner issue for you. Think he's a better fit for their list than ours atm.

I'd be very surprised given they've got Lewis, Zorko, Christensen, Bastinac, Bewick, Rich, etc zipping around. They need a midfield bull/playmaker, and that could be LDU, Cerra or D.Fogarty.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Wouldn't touch Stephenson with a top 10 pick. 3 years away from senior footy body wise, inconsistent kicking action and lacklustre evasiveness about him despite him being light as a feather.

He's a Hayward/Rohan type unless he can get his body up to scratch, and even then he still might not elevate to a midfield or forward status worthy of that kind of draft expenditure.

Losing a bit of interest in Rayner because he's playing fairly exclusively as a forward as well.

Garbage.

 

[Jimmae]

Garbage.

Pick 1 it is then

 

[Arr0w]

Their touches are of supreme quality though. Fitness is clearly an issue given the intensity that they play at, both in their change of direction and running power. Bit of a knee niggle and it hampers your consistency, as you can clearly see in Fogarty's kicking.

Not talking about Fogarty at all, just LDU

Never questioned his power or his change of direction. As for "touches are of supreme quality though", yes he does win his own footy, but his disposal is below average. I wouldn't use a top 5 pick on LDU

As you know, over the last 2 years, when SOS has drafted midfielders, their foot skills are very good to elite, Can not see that changing anytime soon

Also, other clubs would see it similar, you only have to look at the non KPP's that were taken in the last 2 years, within the first 6 picks. All of them are very good to elite by foot

2016

Andrew McGrath
Tim Taranto
Hugh McCluggage
Ben Ainsworth
Will Setterfield
Sam Petrevski-Seton

2015
Weitering
Schache
Mills
Oliver
Parish
Francis
Hopper

 

[Jimmae]

Not talking about Fogarty at all, just LDU

Never questioned his power or his change of direction. As for "touches are of supreme quality though", yes he does win his own footy, but his disposal is below average. I wouldn't use a top 5 pick on LDU

As you know, over the last 2 years, when SOS has drafted midfielders, their foot skills are very good to elite, Can not see that changing anytime soon

Also, other clubs would see it similar, you only have to look at the non KPP's that were taken in the last 2 years, within the first 6 picks. All of them are very good to elite by foot

2016

Andrew McGrath
Tim Taranto
Hugh McCluggage
Ben Ainsworth
Will Setterfield
Sam Petrevski-Seton

2015
Weitering
Schache
Mills
Oliver
Parish
Francis
Hopper

I'd prefer Fogarty, but have no issue with LDU or Cerra. They'd all add elite playmaking ability to our midfield.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

There's players with the same or better qualities that have higher levels of production in more demanding positions. It's also important to remember there are explicit rules at the champs to prevent spare defenders behind the ball.

LDU, Brander, Cerra and D.Fogarty would be much better uses of our pick.

Apart from a great breakaway and goal, LDU was ordinary, as was his WA game

LDU would need some serious reprogramming with the way he goes about his footy, but we do have the right development structures in place now to potentially change that. The talent is definitely there.
D.Fogarty pass. At absolute best he's a poor man's Rayner. Apart from a half decent side step I don't think he has the skills or vision to make it as a midfielder at AFL level. Not my cup of tea Jimmae.
I won't deny that Brander has talent, but do we need another swingman semi-KPF/KPD who's not big enough to play in the ruck??? We've already got Charlie, SOS, McKay and Kerr as KPFs, we've got more KPDs than you could point a stick at.
For what we really need I'm still haven't seen anything to sway me away from Cerra yet. Apart from his ability to win and distribute the ball from clearances, his disposal into the front half would really assist in bringing SOS, Charlie, McKay and Kerr into play so much more.

 

[Arr0w]

I'd prefer Fogarty, but have no issue with LDU or Cerra. They'd all add elite playmaking ability to our midfield.

I agree with Cerra, Fogarty to some extent, but disagree with LDU. Think we could continue this debate closer to the draft

 

[Sector 7G]

Fogarty appears to have a knee issue he's playing through, while LDU is probably a bit cooked after a stellar run in and a good opening round. They still produce this kind of football though:

I like how the highlights show Fogarty being caught in tackles, dropping marks and shanking shots at goal. He is a man child that is undersized to be a key forward and too slow to be anything else. Do not want.

Stephenson & LOB stands out to me from the weekends games. Though my first preference would be to get the liquid paper out on Hills birth certificate.

 

[HARKER]

Last games tomorrow, so it will be a mini boom or bust for some.

Look forward to the games and is usually the case here........the cream rises to the top.

 

[HBF]

My opinion will change 20 times in the lead up to draft day

So will mine.
I've been on O'Brien, Fogarty, LDU, Stephenson and now Rayner.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

So will mine.
I've been on O'Brien, Fogarty, LDU, Stephenson and now Rayner.

Interested to have another look at Higgins as well.

 

[Foucault1989]

Last games tomorrow, so it will be a mini boom or bust for some.

Look forward to the games and is usually the case here........the cream rises to the top.

Are they televised on Fox? I'm on holidays this week so that would be unreal

 

[Iamcarlton]

I'd prefer Fogarty, but have no issue with LDU or Cerra. They'd all add elite playmaking ability to our midfield.

Whats your take on Obrien Jimmae ?

 

[Jimmae]

I like how the highlights show Fogarty being caught in tackles, dropping marks and shanking shots at goal. He is a man child that is undersized to be a key forward and too slow to be anything else. Do not want.

The mark where he got shoved and awarded a free, and the shanked shot where I pointed out he's carrying a knee issue which is clearly affecting his kicking action?

I mean he has his faults, but you're taking examples of one instance, and throwing plurals in to inflame a largely non-existent issue.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Are they televised on Fox? I'm on holidays this week so that would be unreal

Yep, 2pm tomorrow.

 

[Pafloyul]

I wouldn't be writing off Fogarty off just yet, how does he differ from the likes of Petracca on paper? I think me and Jimmae prefer similar types of players, where we might differ is how they might relate to Carlton's needs and when to prioritise.

 

[Sector 7G]

The mark where he got shoved and awarded a free, and the shanked shot where I pointed out he's carrying a knee issue which is clearly affecting his kicking action?

I mean he has his faults, but you're taking examples of one instance, and throwing plurals in to inflame a largely non-existent issue.

No, I was referring to the marks he dropped 40s and 54s in, rather than the very dubious free he got at the start of the highlights. The point was these highlights didn't impress me for a potential no1 pick with most of his touches being underwhelming. You would struggle to even put together vision of him from Fridays game.

Hey I am no expert, but after watching 2 of his games, I just don't see anything to excite. Compare him to a similar sized player in Aaron Francis in his draft year and there is no comparison.

 

[Jimmae]

Whats your take on Obrien Jimmae ?

Elite outside player, but probably too small to hold his own inside the bubble despite strong skills for clearance work.

 

[LemmingMaster]

I wouldn't be writing off Fogarty off just yet, how does he differ from the likes of Petracca on paper? I think me and Jimmae prefer similar types of players, where we might differ is how they might relate to Carlton's needs and when to prioritise.

Not sure how you can compare Fogarty with Petracca, they are so far apart it is laughable.
Not even sure what made you think of comparing the two players?

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

LDU would need some serious reprogramming with the way he goes about his footy, but we do have the right development structures in place now to potentially change that. The talent is definitely there.
D.Fogarty pass. At absolute best he's a poor man's Rayner. Apart from a half decent side step I don't think he has the skills or vision to make it as a midfielder at AFL level. Not my cup of tea Jimmae.
I won't deny that Brander has talent, but do we need another swingman semi-KPF/KPD who's not big enough to play in the ruck??? We've already got Charlie, SOS, McKay and Kerr as KPFs, we've got more KPDs than you could point a stick at.
For what we really need I'm still haven't seen anything to sway me away from Cerra yet. Apart from his ability to win and distribute the ball from clearances, his disposal into the front half would really assist in bringing SOS, Charlie, McKay and Kerr into play so much more.

Seen any big body rucks you like - More in the Darcy mould than the English mould. I know Hayes is running around doing pretty well, I like him but don't think he'll be there for a pick we'd be willing to spend on him. Anyone looking like a good 2nd or 3rd round big boy?

 

[Arr0w]

Seen any big body rucks you like - More in the Darcy mould than the English mould. I know Hayes is running around doing pretty well, I like him but don't think he'll be there for a pick we'd be willing to spend on him. Anyone looking like a good 2nd or 3rd round big boy?

Ben Miller is not a bad option later in the draft.

 

[Foucault1989]

I like how the highlights show Fogarty being caught in tackles, dropping marks and shanking shots at goal. He is a man child that is undersized to be a key forward and too slow to be anything else. Do not want.

Stephenson & LOB stands out to me from the weekends games. Though my first preference would be to get the liquid paper out on Hills birth certificate.

I agree with this assessment. Strikes me as one that beasts the under agers but may not be as effective in the AFL as some others.

 

[Pafloyul]

Not sure how you can compare Fogarty with Petracca, they are so far apart it is laughable.
Not even sure what made you think of comparing the two players?

They are both big-bodied, mid-sized forwards with man-boy syndrome. I don't see a problem with the comparison.

 

[LemmingMaster]

They are both big-bodied, mid-sized forwards with man-boy syndrome. I don't see a problem with the comparison.

Petracca was not a mid sized forward for starters.

Big bodies, I will give you that, but that is about the only thing they have remotely close to each other.